At what point in a person's life should society accept their suicide?

[Time_To_Die]

Put more accurately, at what point should society accept someone's desire to die, rather than trying to convince them to live?

 

[woxihuanni]

I think it's none of society's fucking business. It's not a matter of policing and convincing, it's a matter of support. For whatever choice.

 

[bigj75]

I think it's none of society's fucking business. It's not a matter of policing and convincing, it's a matter of support. For whatever choice.

see now you speaking my language. it's our life. society should have no say on if I should take it or not. the only thing that should be done by society is ensuring our death is done properly and disposed of safely.

 

[DepressionsAHo]

The right to die movement and their extensive research of the background of their history to see whether they can be helped.
Whichever one that is

 

[SelfHatingAspie]

It's probably be easier (but still very tough) to change society's mind about suicide if age was introduced into the discussion, perhaps in conjunction with any underlying health conditions one may have.

As I said in another thread, I'd like to see access to voluntary euthanasia open to anyone aged 50 years or older. Some people just figure they've done enough living and don't feel like spending another 30 or 40 years going into slow decline just to make society/their kids/the aged care industry happy. That said, I'd set lower age limits for people with certain lifelong conditions such as ASD.

 

[Juicebox]

I think people should at least get a diagnosis before considering suicide but that's just my opinion

But if somebody wants to die, regardless of reason, that should be their right, or they should at least get compassionate treatment instead of getting treated like shit aand then thrown into psych as I'm sure many of us have experienced

 

[Sammybackflip]

Put more accurately, at what point should society accept someone's desire to die, rather than trying to convince them to live?

It just upsets me the way society treats this with the mentality being "you need to live until the bitter end". It's like, fuck that. Was thinking about this yesterday, society has done far worse than just making suicide illegal. They force people to jump off buildings, shoot themselves in the head, hang themself. It's like, just allow the purchasing of N and then the person can have a good death and donate organs etc to people who want to live. I'm going to die and my organs are going to go to waste. I'd feel better about my death if they were going to use, but nope.

 

[Lookingforabus]

People should be free to try to convince anyone else of anything, but people should also be free to say they've made up their minds and act accordingly. For that matter, none of this would even be an issue if it weren't for the ridiculous war on drugs and the reality of today's world that governments the world over require people to get a gawddamn permission slip to exercise control over their own bodies. Oh well.

Based on my experience, I even wonder if maybe the option should be open to children. Sure wish it had been available to me a few decades back.

It's probably be easier (but still very tough) to change society's mind about suicide if age was introduced into the discussion, perhaps in conjunction with any underlying health conditions one may have.

Which is exactly why a lot of the right-to-die groups (like Final Exit) insist on medical histories before accepting a member, and the ones that "only" restrict based on age (Exit International) are more radical. There are no formal organizations that advocate for relatively young, physically healthy actually being allowed to make their own damn decisions, and it's easy to see why - when that 29 year old with severe, untreatable mental illness in Belgium got assistance, there was international outrage over her lack of continued misery.

 

[Sammybackflip]

I like the poll but but I don't think that people without serious problems consider killing themselves. I read long ago that suicidal people don't want to die, they just want their problems to go away. I know that, in my experience, I am on this website because of the bullshit problems that have come my way and if they went away could get back to living well. Alas, my problems are still here today and will be worse in the future, so here I am.

 

[Mr2005]

^
Then there's the ones that take no responsibility for their problems and want to punish the world for them. They're here in numbers

 

[Darkhaven]

It's their body and it's their life. They should be able to do it them as they please.
Just as they didn't have a previous conscience that asked to be bred into a body and come into this world, they shouldn't be forced to stay here.
Major Period.

 

[Stan]

I think people should at least get a diagnosis before considering suicide but that's just my opinion

Sadly I don't think anyone would be able to diagnose ever a true mental condition and the impact on the individual. The only compromise I would accept would be for there to be a controlled environment where a guaranteed peaceful end would come with a cooldown period of 7 days where they could try real therapy to see if you have other options. And I don't mean throwing you in solitary and dosing you to the eyeballs either

 

[calendulo]

I vote last option.
Mostly society accepts suicide as a circumstance or condition of life therefore it is what happens in the countries where assisted suicide is allowed. I am not sure, but I think that Holland allows mental issues and guess there will be huge debates about.

Everybody is conditioned for moral reasons.

 

[burnedCookie]

At any point.
I'ts your life, it's the only thing that really belongs to you so it's no one else's business. No matter the reason, age or anything else, it's fucking yours only and you should be granted the right to end it if that's what you want.

No one asked you if you wanna live so it should be the same if you wanna die, you brought me here and I can't stand it, so now just give me the means to leave peacefully.
Some think that they now more than you about life and what it should be, that you could change blah blah blah, and maybe they are right but different places different ways to see it so who's right ? no one because fundamentally that doesn't matter, it's your life not theirs.

 

[First loss]

Why should society have a say in this? It is a personal choice and it should not say anything about it.

 

[TAW122]

In an ideal society (which none at the moment), it would be one where people are able to die by their own choosing and when they decide they had enough of life and want out. They never consented to life to begin with, so they should have the option to check out as well.

In reality, the closest and most liberal country with laws regarding euthanasia would be Netherlands and technically they are the first country in Europe that has legalized it and in recent years, they have expanded it to even people who are suffering greatly psychologically. Hopefully someday they too will be the first to expand it to people who are just 'tired' of life, but otherwise healthy mentally and physically. (I don't buy the argument/claim that if you want to die you are irrational/not healthy mind. There are rational suicides and this is just one example of such.)

 

[not-2-b-the-answer]

I agree with the replies that society shouldn't have a say when or if people choose to CTB. It's our right to end our life if we want.
We weren't given the choice if we wanted to be here, at least let us have the choice if we want to stay.

 

[Azul]

This poll is biased, we are in a pro-suicide forum after all! I agree with the third one btw