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Rational man

Rational man

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We are making progress here in UK. Maybe in my time or maybe not.
 
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IanUK

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What I would really like is assisted suicide when one is not terminally ill. Why can't society accept that for some people a clean, dignified, painless and civilised exit should be allowed. Living for years in mental torment where every morning waking to another day is torment is surely just as bad as having a terminal condition because that's what it is for most of us. People don't understand my attitude to this - they are so addicted to societies expectation to want to greedily live every second that they simply can't understand someone like me who is in good physical health just wanting out. I've simply had enough, there is nothing more I want from life, I've done all I want to do apart from a few books I would like to read but I can do without that. Humanity becomes more crass and ignorant with each passing year and I am so well read and educated I just don't feel I want to be part of it anymore.
 
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AnonymousS

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What I would really like is assisted suicide when one is not terminally ill. Why can't society accept that for some people a clean, dignified, painless and civilised exit should be allowed. Living for years in mental torment where every morning waking to another day is torment is surely just as bad as having a terminal condition because that's what it is for most of us. People don't understand my attitude to this - they are so addicted to societies expectation to want to greedily live every second that they simply can't understand someone like me who is in good physical health just wanting out. I've simply had enough, there is nothing more I want from life, I've done all I want to do apart from a few books I would like to read but I can do without that. Humanity becomes more crass and ignorant with each passing year and I am so well read and educated I just don't feel I want to be part of it anymore.
In Belgium they do this provided you the panel of doctors agrees.
 
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FuneralCry

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I guess that is progress. But euthanasia should be legal everywhere for everyone. We all deserve a peaceful exit at a time of our own choosing. We have no obligations to stay alive as we did not ask to exist. It is cruel how the society expects us to suffer for decades. Of course, legalising euthanasia everywhere would shatter the delusion that many people hold that life is always worth living.
 
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Chockles

Experienced
Sep 17, 2021
270
I admire the Japanese culture. Suicide can be seen as honourable in many instances for reasons here in the west would be shocked.

Part of our problem is we dont talk death enough. We hide the sick and dying.
We are making progress here in UK. Maybe in

What I would really like is assisted suicide when one is not terminally ill. Why can't society accept that for some people a clean, dignified, painless and civilised exit should be allowed. Living for years in mental torment where every morning waking to another day is torment is surely just as bad as having a terminal condition because that's what it is for most of us. People don't understand my attitude to this - they are so addicted to societies expectation to want to greedily live every second that they simply can't understand someone like me who is in good physical health just wanting out. I've simply had enough, there is nothing more I want from life, I've done all I want to do apart from a few books I would like to read but I can do without that. Humanity becomes more crass and ignorant with each passing year and I am so well read and educated I just don't feel I want to be part of it anymore.
I agree. Everyone talks about mental torment & assumes terminally ill means physical but even then it's only terminal with a few well known illnesseses. I am extremely chronically ill i would prefer to have cancer as I'm treated like shit by nhs. Rare conditions all my life being fobbed off as anxiety yet I have severe muscle & nerve damage that is 24/7 agony but doesn't show on scans & isn't believed to be real. If I had cancer I'd be on iv morphine drip in a hospice or palliative care. instead I'm lying at home sufferring 9 solid months now with no meds that work anymore. And I could live for decades as it doesn't affect the main organs just makes me feel very ill.
I'm buying N next week Its taken me until now to save up. I shouldn't have to die this way forcing vast amounts of aliquid down my already sore throat alone. Assisted suicide should be available to anyone who say has suffered 6 months or more with no chance of recovery in my opinion.
 
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Rational man

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I agree. Everyone talks about mental torment & assumes terminally ill means physical but even then it's only terminal with a few well known illnesseses. I am extremely chronically ill i would prefer to have cancer as I'm treated like shit by nhs. Rare conditions all my life being fobbed off as anxiety yet I have severe muscle & nerve damage that is 24/7 agony but doesn't show on scans & isn't believed to be real. If I had cancer I'd be on iv morphine drip in a hospice or palliative care. instead I'm lying at home sufferring 9 solid months now with no meds that work anymore. And I could live for decades as it doesn't affect the main organs just makes me feel very ill.
I'm buying N next week Its taken me until now to save up. I shouldn't have to die this way forcing vast amounts of aliquid down my already sore throat alone. Assisted suicide should be available to anyone who say has suffered 6 months or more with no chance of recovery in my opinion.
you're situ sounds like mine too. I t will be i nteresting to see how this Bill pans out. Definition s and criteria often evolve over time. Its just KNOWING how much time i have
I agree. Everyone talks about mental torment & assumes terminally ill means physical but even then it's only terminal with a few well known illnesseses. I am extremely chronically ill i would prefer to have cancer as I'm treated like shit by nhs. Rare conditions all my life being fobbed off as anxiety yet I have severe muscle & nerve damage that is 24/7 agony but doesn't show on scans & isn't believed to be real. If I had cancer I'd be on iv morphine drip in a hospice or palliative care. instead I'm lying at home sufferring 9 solid months now with no meds that work anymore. And I could live for decades as it doesn't affect the main organs just makes me feel very ill.
I'm buying N next week Its taken me until now to save up. I shouldn't have to die this way forcing vast amounts of aliquid down my already sore throat alone. Assisted suicide should be available to anyone who say has suffered 6 months or more with no chance of recovery in my opinion.
I really do believe this Bill will pass the last hurdle. Certain caveats apply which will be seen in the finer details, but its looking promising. I understood terminal cases involving harrowing suffering were presented to the House of Lords.
 
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Chockles

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Sep 17, 2021
270
you're situ sounds like mine too. I t will be i nteresting to see how this Bill pans out. Definition s and criteria often evolve over time. Its just KNOWING how much time i have

I really do believe this Bill will pass the last hurdle. Certain caveats apply which will be seen in the finer details, but its looking promising. I understood terminal cases involving harrowing suffering were presented to the House of Lords.
Hope it passes. It'll be too late for me. Planning to ctb next few weeks with N. I simply cannot hack being bed ridden in agony any longer
 
Rational man

Rational man

Enlightened
Oct 19, 2021
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Hope it passes. It'll be too late for me. Planning to ctb next few weeks with N. I simply cannot hack being bed ridden in agony any longer
Im in similar situation. If this disease incapacitate s me, i will be at the mercy of modern medicine. I have this need to control my destiny and not die awfully, as I witnessed my mum die✨
 
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Rational man

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Oct 19, 2021
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Checking progress. There are many stages to the assisted dying Bill, before HRH Queen Elizabeth signs it. I think it will for through but time is critical for me. These Bills can take much time. Switzerland is still there for me and plan B.
 
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YourNeighbor

Arcanist
Jul 22, 2021
423
I guess that is progress. But euthanasia should be legal everywhere for everyone.
Medical aid in dying is not euthanasia, as with the first, the patient administers the dose.

Euthanasia everywhere for everyone is not realistic and in fact would probably work terribly, as it would require a medical system that gives out lethal drugs on demand. And frankly, arguments for euthanasia on demand make it harder for medical aid in dying laws to pass, and are exactly the slippery slopes that opponents use to block these laws.

In the meantime, the slowly dying are denied mercy.
 
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