TAW122

TAW122

Emissary of the right to die.
Aug 30, 2018
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Ironically, this is a common sentiment that is often espoused by pro-lifers and just the general masses and it is cliché. However, I will emphasize that this goes both ways and people cannot simply pretend it only applies in situations that they find convenient. As far as the universe and nature itself is concerned, the concept of fairness (as well as unfairness) is irrelevant to it. Fairness is more of a human construct in order to make things equal more or less, and while life itself isn't fair (not an untrue statement by default, objectively speaking), the problem is that pro-lifers often like to pick and choose when it comes to when to apply the adage. In other words, they have no problem throwing that line out like it's candy when it comes to matters that don't matter to them, and instead, it used as a dismissal tactic to downplay or otherwise gloss over others' (that they don't like) grievances.

Ironically, when it comes to tragedies that they don't find acceptable, they (pro-lifers) would never use the line of "life is not fair". Instead, they put their efforts into rectifying the situation or whatever slight, injustice, or wrong that they see. They do this through social change, changing the institutions, petitions, assembly, and more. Oddly enough though, when it comes to other people's grievances that they don't deem important nor fits their interests, they will conveniently and very quickly, apply the line of "life isn't fair. Get over it."

Therefore, I believe that if they want to do that, then they have to accept the unfairness applies TO ALL OTHER situations, not just the situations that they find convenient. In other words, what they are doing is called intellectual dishonesty, or another way to put it, being disingenuous (aka 'picking and choosing'). In other words, they don't get to pick and choose when to apply it, either they apply it to all situations or none at all. By being selective in when they wish to apply it, they are being hypocritical. If they do so, then they lose the right1 to be upset at others who also say "life isn't fair. Get over it." towards their concerns and complaints.

Some examples include, but are not limited to injustices by double-standards, poor treatment of others, pointing out injustices of certain situations, and yet often, the cop-out (lazy response) is "life isn't fair. Get over it." or similar lines. It is not only dismissive and invalidating to the person hearing it, it also implies that one who says that is excusing (even if not explicitly doing so) the bad treatment or injustice while doing nothing about it to change it. What do I mean when they (the pro-lifers and assholes who use this cop-out statement) lose the right to complain? I don't mean it literally that they lose the right to complain (since it's freedom of speech), but they lose any legitimacy and credibility when they get upset at injustices or situations they themselves find to be unjust. Therefore, I think it would be better if society was a bit more compassionate and not recklessly use such rhetoric and expect no consequences or backlash from the people they marginalize.

What are your thoughts on this?

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WorthlessCoward

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Mar 21, 2023
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You were born; you experience good things: good
You were born; you experience bad things: bad
You were never born, you can't experience bad things: good
You were never born, you can't experience good things: not bad

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FuneralCry

FuneralCry

Just wanting some peace
Sep 24, 2020
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Those types of people really just are so insensitive and hypocritical, no matter what the wish to die of everyone is perfectly valid and shouldn't be dismissed. One shouldn't have to "get over", the suffering they are experiencing, it isn't like anybody is obligated to continue existing.
 
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Unending

Enlightened
Nov 5, 2022
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"Life isn't fair" is not an argument lol. I'm sure anybody who tells others this would be fuming with anger when they get told the same thing in response amidst a tragedy they have to endure. It's literally just a phrase you can say to make someone feel invalidated and upset. I don't think I've heard that phrase in real life come from anyone other than parents. Isn't that ironic? Not hating on parents but what I will say is shame on the ones who birth kids into this world and then tell them this when they suffer.
 
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SilentSadness

The rain pours eternally.
Feb 28, 2023
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The people who say stupid things like this are just looking to dismiss others and find excuses to keep things the way they are. Pro-life people are definitely selective with the statement and would hate to have it said to them. It doesn't even make sense, because life not being fair is a reason to die. It is unsurprising that delusional people resort to nonsensical statements.
 
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stermc

libertas quae sera tamen
Nov 24, 2022
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I believe life has no moral rules, so it is not fair nor unfair. The concept of karma, for example, makes no sense. You can be good and receive only disgrace. You can be bad and receive all the good things. The concept of life being fair or not, therefore, only makes sense when you put the individual in it - the individual who is living the life. That's when life is not a phenomenon anymore or "the thing as it is", because you put in it an element that "rules" that life - the individual - , and then you include happiness, sadness, privileges, disabilities, advantages and disadvantages.
In my opinion, that's when fairness and unfairness can make some sense, and it is completely particular and only a perspective (also relative).
Some people are born with disabilities and manage to live a good life - at least one they are happy with.
Some people have all the privileges and consider this life to be unfair.
"Fairness is more of a human construct in order to make things equal more or less, and while life itself isn't fair (not an untrue statement by default, objectively speaking), the problem is that pro-lifers often like to pick and choose when it comes to when to apply the adage."
I think the biggest problem is that pro lifers are so judgmental and hypocrites when it comes to the subjects they have nothing to do with, that they have no interest in. And the way they have to defend their ideas is by judging everything as fair or unfair - obviously in a way that is favorable to them only.
They are simply ignorant people.
Being fair or unfair is, again, something the person living the life should decide (even though I don't believe life itself to have morals, such as fairness and I don't really think these concepts have importance at all).
In the end of the day, each one of us should take care of our own selves and mind our own business - which seems to be really difficult to them.
 
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leavingsoon99

I'm at peace... Finally.
Mar 16, 2023
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Ironically, this is a common sentiment that is often espoused by pro-lifers and just the general masses and it is cliché. However, I will emphasize that this goes both ways and people cannot simply pretend it only applies in situations that they find convenient. As far as the universe and nature itself is concerned, the concept of fairness (as well as unfairness) is irrelevant to it. Fairness is more of a human construct in order to make things equal more or less, and while life itself isn't fair (not an untrue statement by default, objectively speaking), the problem is that pro-lifers often like to pick and choose when it comes to when to apply the adage. In other words, they have no problem throwing that line out like it's candy when it comes to matters that don't matter to them, and instead, it used as a dismissal tactic to downplay or otherwise gloss over others' (that they don't like) grievances.

Ironically, when it comes to tragedies that they don't find acceptable, they (pro-lifers) would never use the line of "life is not fair". Instead, they put their efforts into rectifying the situation or whatever slight, injustice, or wrong that they see. They do this through social change, changing the institutions, petitions, assembly, and more. Oddly enough though, when it comes to other people's grievances that they don't deem important nor fits their interests, they will conveniently and very quickly, apply the line of "life isn't fair. Get over it."

Therefore, I believe that if they want to do that, then they have to accept the unfairness applies TO ALL OTHER situations, not just the situations that they find convenient. In other words, what they are doing is called intellectual dishonesty, or another way to put it, being disingenuous (aka 'picking and choosing'). In other words, they don't get to pick and choose when to apply it, either they apply it to all situations or none at all. By being selective in when they wish to apply it, they are being hypocritical. If they do so, then they lose the right1 to be upset at others who also say "life isn't fair. Get over it." towards their concerns and complaints.

Some examples include, but are not limited to injustices by double-standards, poor treatment of others, pointing out injustices of certain situations, and yet often, the cop-out (lazy response) is "life isn't fair. Get over it." or similar lines. It is not only dismissive and invalidating to the person hearing it, it also implies that one who says that is excusing (even if not explicitly doing so) the bad treatment or injustice while doing nothing about it to change it. What do I mean when they (the pro-lifers and assholes who use this cop-out statement) lose the right to complain? I don't mean it literally that they lose the right to complain (since it's freedom of speech), but they lose any legitimacy and credibility when they get upset at injustices or situations they themselves find to be unjust. Therefore, I think it would be better if society was a bit more compassionate and not recklessly use such rhetoric and expect no consequences or backlash from the people they marginalize.

What are your thoughts on this?

right1 ​= refers to their credibility, validity, and/or legitimacy.
It's this, along with a lot of other things, that make me a misanthrope. Humans, by nature, are hypocrites. Most are only concerned with what helps them eat and live comfortably. Your last sentence is a BIG ask of the human race. I agree with this whole post. Thanks for sharing it.
 
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