Arrested in my own home, treated like a criminal. Suicide my only option

[tiredplant777]

Same here?! It even says on the site I get it from "100% legal in the UK". To send 6 officers to raid my house? It's completely insane. I have no criminal record. I have never been in prison or even had a speeding ticket. It was fucking horrendous being locked in the cell

Yeah it's not worded anywhere in our laws, I buy from a clear net site. If they had wrote to me and asked me to come for an interview, I definitely would have, to treat me that was completely insane. I'm not a dealer, I'm not a criminal. I take it to ease me anxiety, I don't even drink

Thank you. I can't believe it. I was actually the most positive I've ever been, it was awful. Locked in some horrible cell, with no one to talk to, treated like some actual criminal. I don't know why they would want to ruin my life, I'm not a bad guy, I visit my mum in the care home three times a week, and I live a quiet life. Thank you for saying that. It's proof to me that no matter what I do, they will always find a way to bring me down. I'm fighting a losing battle, the state always wins

I am so sorry. I know you want to CTB and I totally respect that, but have you looked into talking to a lawyer, even for free through legal aid? It sounds like what the police did was illegal, of course I am not a lawyer. You could get a settlement out of it. Did they show you a warrant?
In any case I am so sorry this happened. I haven't had police physically assault me or my space, but I have had horrible experiences. When I tried to report my abuser the detective didn't believe me, didn't admit that to me, then full on lied to me and manipulated me. It was creepy.

 

[Smart No More]

Crazy! If it was £17 worth of weed you'd have got a caution or even an on the spot fine. I can only assume the tipping factor in this case was the crossing of borders/importation which bumps the charges up. Weird that there was no love letter though. And a year ago.... Wtf!? Surely you've ordered it since then and received it right? Have they mentioned any monitoring or anything along those lines? Dirty corrupt bastards!

For future reference.... If they ever turn up at your door again do not let them in. If they had a warrant they'd let themselves in. Without it you're well within your rights to deny them and they won't search you. They may come back with a warrant but you can use the time between to remove any items you don't want them to find. They're unlikely to be sitting watching you unless it's a big deal. This is the same advice anyone that's bought N is encouraged to follow should they get a knock.

I would be surprised if you faced significant charges. Speak to a solicitor. Always say no comment in interviews. Everything is open to incorrect interpretation. You could put in a complaint or counter argument. Speak to a solicitor!

 

[tiredplant777]

Crazy! If it was £17 worth of weed you'd have got a caution or even an on the spot fine. I can only assume the tipping factor in this case was the crossing of borders/importation which bumps the charges up. Weird that there was no love letter though. And a year ago.... Wtf!? Surely you've ordered it since then and received it right? Have they mentioned any monitoring or anything along those lines? Dirty corrupt bastards!

For future reference.... If they ever turn up at your door again do not let them in. If they had a warrant they'd let themselves in. Without it you're well within your rights to deny them and they won't search you. They may come back with a warrant but you can use the time between to remove any items you don't want them to find. They're unlikely to be sitting watching you unless it's a big deal. This is the same advice anyone that's bought N is encouraged to follow should they get a knock.

I would be surprised if you faced significant charges. Speak to a solicitor. Always say no comment in interviews. Everything is open to incorrect interpretation. You could put in a complaint or counter argument. Speak to a solicitor!

I agree with this! I also wanted to say that while I don't live in the UK and live in Canada I don't think the law is that different, but at least in North America the police are allowed to lie. I've seen some advice online about not speaking to the police ever at all unless a lawyer is with you. Wish I had seen that advice before lol.

 

[Lost Magic]

This is seriously one of the most insane things I ever heard. This happened in the UK? FFS Kava used to be legal here sometime ago. It is hardly a class A drug.

 

[Smart No More]

This is seriously one of the most insane things I ever heard. This happened in the UK? FFS Kava used to be legal here sometime ago. It is hardly a class A drug.

I was wondering what class it actually is. Do you happen to know?

 

[Lost Magic]

I was wondering what class it actually is. Do you happen to know?

Kava Kava isn't even a drug, so it isn't classified as such. It is a herb, but because of 'alleged reports' of liver toxicity it was made illegal. I mean, it used to be sold in Holland and Barrett at one time. I swear governments have too much control over our bodies and what we put in them. I would suggest buying Kratom (Red Borneo is a good strain) instead. It can't be bought in the UK (again because of the bastard government) but can be imported without much difficulty.

 

[Neverworld]

I was actually in a really good mental spot, not suicidal at all

You probably shouldn't rush things, especially if things were (relatively) fine before.

 

[Smart No More]

It isn't even a drug, so it isn't classified as such. It is a herb, but because of 'alleged reports' of liver toxicity it was made illegal. I mean, it used to be sold in Holland and Barrett at one time. I swear governments have too much control over our bodies and what we put in them. I would suggest buying Kratom (Red Borneo is a good strain) instead. It can't be bought in the UK (again because of the bastard government) but can be imported without much difficulty.

Ah, I thought we were talking about kratom. That's what op got pulled up for. Is it on the class list do you know?

It's funny how cbd is now sold in Holland and Barrett and most pharmacies. You can even buy cbd buds on amazon. Just shows the ever changing morality we live in. Large portions of the public usually 10 steps ahead of the law and treated like criminals judt bevause a law exist even though common sense should prevail. Utterly insane. Law and government need a massive shake up and rebuild but much like Putin creating a situation that prolonges his time in power government are in a self preserving vacuum. Interests of the people my arse!

 

[Lost Magic]

I thought we were talking about kratom.

No, the conversation was about Kava. I was the one who mentioned maybe taking Kratom instead. That's how that came about.

 

[mandyjohnuk]

Kratom is legal here in the UK.

CBD Weed sadly is not legal in the UK. There are many sites that openly sell it and advertise it's legal but it's not.

 

[Smart No More]

Kratom isn't legal in the UK.

CBD buds are legal if they're not 'cannabis'. Sounds odd but hemp buds can contain CBD.

No, the conversation was about Kava. I was the one who mentioned maybe taking Kratom instead. That's how that came about.

I'm a bit confused as OP was busted for Kratom. I'll have a read back and see what I missed about kava.

EDIT I think there's some confusion. Your first post in this thread was about Kava once being legal in the UK. I can't find a post where you suggested using Kratom instead. The OP is about kratom. It wouldn't make much sense to suggest using Kratom instead of Krstom lol.

Whatever the case, Kratom is banned in the UK.

 

[Lost Magic]

Kratom isn't legal in the UK.

CBD buds are legal if they're not 'cannabis'. Sounds odd but hemp buds can contain CBD.

I'm a bit confused as OP was busted for Kratom. I'll have a read back and see what I missed about kava.

EDIT I think there's some confusion. Your first post in this thread was about Kava once being legal in the UK. I can't find a post where you suggested using Kratom instead. The OP is about kratom. It wouldn't make much sense to suggest using Kratom instead of Krstom lol.

Whatever the case, Kratom is banned in the UK.

Sorry, about the confusion, but I did talk about both. Kava Kava is illegal in the UK, but Kratom is more in the gray zone of the law. I buy Red Borneo Kratom from the Netherlands every 3 months. Read this for further information: https://gopure.shop/blog/2021/08/06/is-kratom-legal-in-uk/

 

[mandyjohnuk]

United Kingdom
There is no specific kratom regulation in the UK. However, the Psychoactive Substances Act's definition of psychoactive substance, being "[a substance that] is capable of producing a psychoactive effect in a person who consumes it," would likely include kratom, therefore making it illegal to sell, buy, produce, import and export. Simple possession of kratom is not covered under this legislation but possession with the intent to supply is, and the difference would be decided by a court of law.

 

[Lost Magic]

United Kingdom
There is no specific kratom regulation in the UK. However, the Psychoactive Substances Act's definition of psychoactive substance, being "[a substance that] is capable of producing a psychoactive effect in a person who consumes it," would likely include kratom, therefore making it illegal to sell, buy, produce, import and export. Simple possession of kratom is not covered under this legislation but possession with the intent to supply is, and the difference would be decided by a court of law.

Yeah, that's why I get it discreetly imported. It's a terrible piece of legislation that you mentioned. Kratom is not like those horrible synthetic highs (although I am glad they got pulled anyway). It is a plant that produces a mild, oftentimes euphoric effect (depending on the strain). A lot of people have used it to kick heroin too. I don't know what I would do without it, at this point. The government are terribly inefficient, and this blanket ban was a bad idea. I guess they just want us all pissed out of our heads and causing all kinds of trouble, instead of allowing us easy access to amazing plants like kratom and weed.

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

Wow, I am so sorry this happened. You shouldn't have to live in fear and be drawn towards death over the actions of a few egotistical pigs abusing their authority to instill terror in vunerable people who have committed no actual crime or endangered others in any way. It is a massive pisstake that they can get away with flaunting overblown displays of force (over a little bit of Kratom, mind you) while there are actual criminals on the loose who pose an actual threat to society.

Unfortunately, the law is rarely on the side of scientific evidence, when it comes to these strict drug laws. They don't sit and comb through the hundreds of papers that show the medicinal benefits of 'psychoactive' substances like Kratom, MDMA, LSD, psylocibin, cannabis, and numerous other banned compounds.

Even if the positive impacts of these drugs were not solely medicinal and were recreational in nature, I frankly think it is no government's business what substances a person chooses to put into their own body. Individuals should make their own risk/benefit analyses and learn the harms of any substance, a politician shouldn't be blanket banning matters of bodily autonomy, such as what we are allowed to eat or drink, or which drugs we fancy consuming.

A person can do something idiotic like eat 100 paracetamol tablets, and it's not the existence of paracetamol that's the issue there. It says right there on the bottle and the leaflet that if you take the drug irresponsibility, there will be consequences in the form of liver toxicity and total organ failure, it is not pleasant. Yet, we don't ban paracetamol, do we? Humans have the power to make rational or irrational decisions of their own accord when it comes to their bodies. Having that autonomy stripped away from you just feels infantalizing.

I truly hope you will be able to plead your case in a court. Especially when it comes to them seizing your prescription medications. It is already hard enough to access certain medicines if they are deemed addictive, and quiting them cold turkey is a recipe for disaster if you take them frequently and have a chance of suffering withdrawals. Their actions are so asinine and harmful to your wellbeing, until they have to deal with chronic pain or other health issues they should have no say in what a person does to try and cope with it.

 

[ScaredToLive]

Agree with everything you're saying, who on earth decides that I can't put something into my body in my own home? I have no criminal record, I live a very quiet life.

It's completely traumatic if I'm honest, I can't sleep, my anxiety is insane, I'm having constant suicidal thoughts, I can't eat. Every noise is making me jump out of my skin. I'm scared of ever leaving the house in case they pull me over or do something. It's really fucked, I'm literally in a worse place mentally than I was when I had a breakdown. For what reason? Because they decided to fuck with my life, a guy with no record, and not even a hint of criminality. It's disgusting. I hate this country.

You can't ever be safe, they can do what they want and there is nothing you can do about it

 

[RetroChaos]

Just checking in on the situation man, hope you are coping the best you can be. It's horrible and scary going through it. Give me a shout if you need anything.

 

[hopelessgirl]

Damn this sucks. I'm so sorry. Must have been frightening. You're a good person.

Agree with everything you're saying, who on earth decides that I can't put something into my body in my own home? I have no criminal record, I live a very quiet life.

It's completely traumatic if I'm honest, I can't sleep, my anxiety is insane, I'm having constant suicidal thoughts, I can't eat. Every noise is making me jump out of my skin. I'm scared of ever leaving the house in case they pull me over or do something. It's really fucked, I'm literally in a worse place mentally than I was when I had a breakdown. For what reason? Because they decided to fuck with my life, a guy with no record, and not even a hint of criminality. It's disgusting. I hate this country.

You can't ever be safe, they can do what they want and there is nothing you can do about it

Where do you live? If you don't mind me asking