I always hated the quote 'suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem'. When life itself is the problem then it won't go away until the day you die. They also miss the fact that life is temporary. We won't be here forever.
If we are truly being honest no one really gives a shit. They might feel sad when you die but only because it reminds them of their own mortality. They might miss the things you could do for them, like providing company, sharing meals together, etc. But that is hardly a reason to stay and suffer just to spare them from having uncomfortable feelings.
For me, it's been "suicide is a permanent solution". Yes, that's in fact the point. It means little when they claim something is temporary but offer no good alternatives, I can agree. They're not willing to pay your bills, house you, or otherwise. You matter as long as you are in view, and then as long as you are enjoyable and not massively seen as inconvenience. I think it's common for people with long term problems they're honest about for it to cause invalidation and even anger from others -- looking at some of the threads from members who suffer from chronic illnesses. I think some are simply misguided and do care, but do so in a harmful way.
It's not our responsibility to educate them, however. From my perspective the irony of leaving behind people who will be upset is if they understood me at all they would be accepting of my reasoning. Maybe it wouldn't have been ideal for them, but it wouldn't ruin their life. It shouldn't take being dead for it to be a problem, the problems that led me to being dead should have mattered when alive. Funny that the former is the one that causes problems and not the latter. That's where the logic of "the pain doesn't end, it simply passes on when you're dead" dies ironically enough -- if it passed on at all it would have mattered more in life. Their pain is not the same, it one of societal conditioning against suicide that implodes on itself. They help maintain that function and refuse to better their understanding so my empathy resides largely with the suicidal.
I like this answer a lot. I tend to approach people who are varying degrees of academic whenever I feel this way, and tend to veer away from those who are trying to convince me otherwise. They definitely go straight for the heart strings, or tough love. It is much easier to make the case for life than it is for "not death," as death is inevitable.
Yes, I can say the same with my real life experience with it due to a failed attempt years ago. Being screamed at and called selfish with "people in Africa have it worse" and otherwise. I don't even think my reasons were asked for, not that I would have been allowed to articulate them regardless.
Even when it died down, it was largely reduced to teenage hormones. The suicidal I think should regulate themselves to highly trusted environments such as this one that won't endanger their safety over people in the real world. People who are taking place in meat space need to put in more effort so it is societally safer and doesn't grant loss of autonomy. The best case scenario they understand and you're no better in the realm of methods or access to suicide. The worst are the platitudes, guilt trips, tough love, and calling the police behind your back. Not worth it, in my opinion at least. I will never utter it out loud and I will never fail again.
