Are you going to ctb in the next few weeks/months?

[Samuel]

By the looks of it. This poll is quite inaccurate. I bet most of us will still be around in two years time.

 

[DepressionsAHo]

I am curious it seems most of the members are "just" depressed and not really suicidal so are you going to ctb the in the next few weeks or months?

Just completed my testing of the charcoal. I think I've got it down. I don't think with my cut in my leg I'll ever gain full mobility but I think it can work well enough to hike to the spot in the forest I need to get outta here

 

[mattwitt]

Maybe the next few days for some people on here.

 

[TheGoodGuy]

Just completed my testing of the charcoal. I think I've got it down. I don't think with my cut in my leg I'll ever gain full mobility but I think it can work well enough to hike to the spot in the forest I need to get outta here

Hope everything goes well for you.

 

[alizee]

The notion of free will is not an exclusively religious concept; atheist philosophers like Camus and Sartre argued that belief in hard determinism was an example of "bad faith"--self deception with the intent to shirk one's responsibility. Nor is free will necessarily in conflict with determinism. Check out compatibilism.

I've already checkout out compatibilism and it's rubbish. Spinoza's philosophy is the most accurate description of determinism. Most atheists who argue against determinism are jokers who think society will crumble understanding free will is an illusion. Free will is originally from religious doctrines and where philosophers have argued against it when safe to do so. I'm a programmer who studies neuroscience & physics and the whole concept of free will is ridiculous. Lastly, I wouldn't write hard determinist if I thought there was free will. I would be a soft determinist if that was the case. Determinism & free will cannot coexist.

 

[intofragments]

Yep. My stuff is arriving in the next week or so. Just got practical preparations such as clearing out my belongings, writing a suicide document etc left to do. I plan to be gone by May at the absolute latest

 

[time2go]

ASAP

 

[Manfromtheocean]

April to July, that's my time frame.

 

[YukiFox]

I just feel like most people on here are just depressed or LARPING to get attention while I am actually going to do it.

Not exactly. I'm not just depressed or looking for attention. I want to do so but correctly. Perhaps I want to live as a trans woman most than a year but if my life turns unbearable just put the noose on my neck and bye-bye. But I don' t feel ready yet.

 

[asdasan]

Planning to. Already have ideas in place. Unless the situation I am in improves by a miracle.

I'll burn my last money on a blast and then go out with glory.

 

[Final_frontier]

The moment of suicide is your natural death and it comes when its time. Don't believe me? Go read about hard determinism. Every event in your life is outside your control and you may think of having free will but that's an illusion.

So the death of suicide is your natural death when you kill yourself. Similar to a person who dies in a car accident, or from cancer and or what most people perceive as natural death (dying from old age). Every event factors from the preceding event and birth is the only deciding variable. Your start "born into a family" until the end "the day you die" and all events in between are all outside human control. We're conditioned by society to think otherwise, such as we have control or capable to make our own decisions and from the religious ideology that assumes God gave us free will. All a constructed fallacy that keep inequality flourishing in the world and grave injustices for people fated by destiny to end up in jail or worse.

I'm finishing a few events that I find important. I wanted to end everything on new years but these things have been taking forever but should be done sometime this year and then I'll end my life as fate has it written. Unless it's otherwise written for me to fail and end up crippled and where I cannot succeed with trying again.

I understand your idea of hard determinism except this: "All a constructed fallacy that keep inequality flourishing in the world and grave injustices for people fated by destiny to end up in jail or worse." Many words here imply the presence of a will like "constructed", " keep", etc.
I have seen many hard determinists apply their philosophy to everything except themselves and certain other things, thereby doing a self-refutation.
For example:
Interviewer: If there's no free will, there is no such thing as criminal responsibility, so should we not punish people for their crimes?
Hard determinist: We must incarcerate them to protect our society.
Here, words like "must", "incarcerate", " protect" etc imply the presence of a will when in reality, if there's no free will, there's nothing we can do to change anything.

 

[Sixfeetunder]

I will once the semester is over. Hopefully before June.

 

[alizee]

I understand your idea of hard determinism except this: "All a constructed fallacy that keep inequality flourishing in the world and grave injustices for people fated by destiny to end up in jail or worse." Many words here imply the presence of a will like "constructed", " keep", etc.

No that's your free will perspective changing the meaning of the words. The words that mean something completely different by my perspective. I can create a thread dedicated to the discussion of determinism and how free will is an illusion when understanding it. Do you want me to and do this thread is cluttered? Btw yes everything is fated and nobody has any control over their life in anyway.

 

[Final_frontier]

No that's your free will perspective changing the meaning of the words. The words that mean something completely different by my perspective. I can create a thread dedicated to the discussion of determinism and how free will is an illusion when understanding it. Do you want me to and do this thread is cluttered? Btw yes everything is fated and nobody has any control over their life in anyway.

You didn't type that with your free will, did you? You were simply a puppet of fate. So, without free will, there's no free thought. Without having the ability to think freely, your thoughts being totally controlled by atoms and molecules in your brain, is there any reason to think your current thoughts are rational? What's the difference between rational and irrational thoughts ideas? Is rationality an illusion too? If so, all thoughts/ideas can be declared as irrational, including the very idea that there's no free will. There you go, you've again done a self-refutation.

 

[time2go]

During the day I tell myself that tonight is the night. But by nightfall I feel abit more at ease, probably because I'm not out and about at work. I can isolate myself from my problems at night, but I know I will be gone within a few weeks at the most

 

[alizee]

You didn't type that with your free will, did you? You were simply a puppet of fate. So, without free will, there's no free thought. Without having the ability to think freely, your thoughts being totally controlled by atoms and molecules in your brain, is there any reason to think your current thoughts are rational? What's the difference between rational and irrational thoughts ideas? Is rationality an illusion too? If so, all thoughts/ideas can be declared as irrational, including the very idea that there's no free will. There you go, you've again done a self-refutation.

No, rational and irrational can exist without free will. I know I'm controlled by fate but I can categorize a belief with no scientific basis as irrational "free will" and while understanding the scientific criteria to prove something is rational. It's alright if you want to make silly assertions at me for understanding free will is an illusion. It's just how our lives played out. Even if there was a god, nobody could be mad because not even god could have what humans describe as free will and when most don't really think how free will is an impossible ideology.

 

[letmeseethedeath]

I am curious it seems most of the members are "just" depressed and not really suicidal so are you going to ctb the in the next few weeks or months?

i hope so. my depression never leaves me since i was 11. i'm so tired of life, i wanna end it so bad

 

[Katxe]

I will probably ctb in June, on my birthday.

 

[Quinlor]

I intend to leave until July in my birthday, But next saturday morning I will try to hanging again...again so can be sooner

 

[GeorgeJL]

Personally I am going to wait as long as I can, if I can wait until I am an old man I will. I seem to be managing OK for now.

 

[Robbyna]

I'd CTB in the next second if I had a method. Now I'm just puttingfeelers out for how to go. I see some comments about free will. Being suicidal I truly don't believe we have free will otherwise we could stop breathing just because we want to. We are trapped in a maze in this amazing machine called a body that can withstand extremes that prevent death under some of the worst circumstances and to a suicidal person that's the opposite of free will. True free will would mean living at will without having to tear your way out of this flesh prison when you want to stop.

 

[Samuel]

Blah blah blah. I don't plan on ctb for some years.

 

[alizee]

True free will would mean living at will without having to tear your way out of this flesh prison when you want to stop.

Actually that wouldn't result in you having free will. Whatever happens to you causing the result "wanting to die or live" is outside our control and influencing us to desire death or to live. Similar, to every event in life and so free will is an illusion. I do like your example of how we should be able to die when we want. Although it isn't understanding the core problem in the spirtual ideology.