Are you afraid there's after death?

wuumb · Sep 26, 2019

Your thoughts are very interesting!
Recently I also had the feeling of what if nothing at all would exist...
That makes me appreciate almost every creation in this realm.
I have looked into afterlife and related things for 1.5 years now and want to share some things I collected:
links to sites (hope it's okay that this post is so big yet not very aesthetic):

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gingerplum · Sep 26, 2019

ManWithNoName said:
The issue I have with guys like Dawkins and many other atheists is that they seem rather hell-bent on trying to convince everybody else that there is no God.

It's one thing to disagree on the issue of afterlife vs. no afterlife, but when the atheists go out of their way to convince everyone of their point of view, one has to wonder what the hell their real problem is.

The running joke about atheists is that atheists do indeed have a religion - It's known as the church of "There is no God, ok? Enough! Stop believing!"

I actually think that it's urgent that adults stop believing in magic and superstition, especially when it takes precedence over science and reality.

It's not about a need to convince anyone of my point of view as much as it's about encouraging people to think critically and be intellectually honest... and that applies to everything, certainly not just religion. Sorry if you see that as a "problem."

RightToExit said:
I think it's a double standard to expect atheists to not try to convince others of their view, when it's normal for religions to evangelize and proselytize. Dawkins happens to be right. There is no actual god. Why should the people who are wrong be allowed to put more effort into convincing others than the people who are right?

This would matter less if religion didn't have political consequences. But it does. Who is going around proclaiming that suicide is a sin that must be prevented by the state? Who is lobbying for the harshest bans on suicide rights? In the West, that's always organized religion, (although some doctors' lobby groups have also played ugly parts, and in communist states, atheists have banned this right also).

Thank you for your cogent defense of my post; it truly wasn't my intent to stir up controversy in any way.

woxihuanni · Sep 26, 2019

Wayfaerer said:
How do you believe in ghosts without believing in the others?

Ah, it kills me. Generally it is accompanied by some pseudo-scientific rationalisation like 'but thoughts are waves'.

What really gets to me is not some vague 'what if', just at the periphery of mind: For instance, I can wish on the moon, the moon is so wonderful that I have this unashamed, primal reverence for her. But soon as you actually rationalise any supernatural belief, it is worrying, to say the least.

The more rationalised woo somebody has, the less quality of life for everybody around them.

ManWithNoName · Sep 26, 2019

RightToExit said:
I think it's a double standard to expect atheists to not try to convince others of their view, when it's normal for religions to evangelize and proselytize.

I absolutely agree with that. Indeed these holy rollers do no good for religion and I put the rabid atheists in the same category as religious fanatics.

gingerplum said:
I actually think that it's urgent that adults stop believing in magic and superstition, especially when it takes precedence over science and reality.

I think belief in the afterlife is one thing, but I do agree with you that there exists an irresponsible and reckless use of religion when actions and decisions should be based on more pragmatic and realistic and thinking in the real world, however the believing in the afterlife is really meant to give some kind of a sense of hope regarding after one ceases to be - it is precisely for that.

But much like the Jevhovas Witness and similar religious groups, the fanatical atheists are still hellbent on their religious belief in the "Church Of No-Afterlife".

The bottom line is that, just as nobody can prove there IS an afterlife, nobody can prove there IS NOT and afterlife. The caterwauling of the atheists is no better than the caterwauling of those from any other religion.

Rachel74 · Sep 26, 2019

Knowing me it would be pretty fucked up if I died and in the next life I'm still in pain! There is nothing to say we are no longer in pain. I just want to die and that's it, no reincarnation no nothing.

ManWithNoName · Sep 26, 2019

wuumb said:
Your thoughts are very interesting!
Recently I also had the feeling of what if nothing at all would exist...
That makes me appreciate almost every creation in this realm.
I have looked into afterlife and related things for 1.5 years now and want to share some things I collected:
links to sites (hope it's okay that this post is so big yet not very aesthetic):

Whoaa... a ton of resources.

Again, to the atheists: this does not prove there is an afterlife, but whereas I am absolutely willing to keep an open mind and accept the possibility there may be no afterlife, I would humbly ask you to keep the same open mind to the possibility that there might actually be an afterlife.

RightToExit · Sep 26, 2019

ManWithNoName said:
Whoaa... a ton of resources.

Again, to the atheists: this does not prove there is an afterlife, but whereas I am absolutely willing to keep an open mind and accept the possibility there may be no afterlife, I would humbly ask you to keep the same open mind to the possibility that there might actually be an afterlife.

I won't. I just don't see the scientific realism at all. Not all hypotheses are equally likely to be true; e.g. existence of flat earth is not equally likely than existence of globe earth. The mere possibility that every thinking person could be wrong is not sufficient to privilege one hypothesis over another. So, while you are technically correct that I may be wrong, this is not a statement of agnosticism, there's a world of difference between "technically not 100% certain" and "we don't know at all".

woxihuanni · Sep 26, 2019

RightToExit said:
I won't. I just don't see the scientific realism at all. Not all hypotheses are equally likely to be true; e.g. existence of flat earth is not equally likely than existence of globe earth. The mere possibility that every thinking person could be wrong is not sufficient to privilege one hypothesis over another. So, while you are technically correct that I may be wrong, this is not a statement of agnosticism, there's a world of difference between "technically not 100% certain" and "we don't know at all".

Also, whenever anybody experiences anything like an NDE, their experience is moot because they ARE living right now, so whatever happened in a brain not quite rotten to a pulp is no indication of what will happen when it's truly destroyed. The brain is a power simulator, can create whatever. Think of dreams, where entire worlds are created in seconds. All of that stuff just happens as the brain struggles before shutting down.

gingerplum · Sep 26, 2019

ManWithNoName said:
I absolutely agree with that. Indeed these holy rollers do no good for religion and I put the rabid atheists in the same category as religious fanatics.

I think belief in the afterlife is one thing, but I do agree with you that there exists an irresponsible and reckless use of religion when actions and decisions should be based on more pragmatic and realistic and thinking in the real world, however the believing in the afterlife is really meant to give some kind of a sense of hope regarding after one ceases to be - it is precisely for that.

But much like the Jevhovas Witness and similar religious groups, the fanatical atheists are still hellbent on their religious belief in the "Church Of No-Afterlife".

The bottom line is that, just as nobody can prove there IS an afterlife, nobody can prove there IS NOT and afterlife. The caterwauling of the atheists is no better than the caterwauling of those from any other religion.

If I were trying to sway someone to consider a different perspective, I would generally avoid adjectives like "hell-bent" and "rabid;" I would definitely avoid descriptions of "caterwauling." This verbiage strikes me as insulting and specifically directed, none too cleverly couched in the guise of speaking in generalities. That aside, I'll address the topic at hand: considering an afterlife as a viable possibility.

Firstly, all the scientific evidence, so far established, leads to the view that consciousness is a property of our living, functional body. As such it is perfectly rational to hold a physicalist view.

Secondly, is it possible that future evidence will overturn that view? Sure. It would be wholly unscientific to hold a position I wouldn't change in light of new evidence. If, tomorrow, a gateway to the afterlife opened and I could visit it and return, I think any legitimate person of science would amend their position... I sure would.

Thirdly, does the possibility of new evidence mean we should hold a position assuming that new evidence? Well, if the expectation is that the evidence is highly likely to be true but we lack the evidence or ability to prove it, then postulating that it's true is not unheard of in science. Most physicists, for example, were pretty convinced we'd find the Higgs boson as it was the only part of the Standard Model that hadn't been confirmed, even though it was unprovable at that time.

If, however, there is no good, scientific, reason to believe that a particular piece of new evidence will turn up, then generally it doesn't make sense to assume it will. The existence of an afterlife would currently fall into this category.

Note the difference between these points: Just because it's reasonable to accept the possibility that new evidence could turn up, it is not necessarily reasonable to expect a particular piece of evidence to turn up unless there are other strong indicators for it.

You're essentially asking me to embrace magical thinking... it's not that I won't do this, it's that I can't. Can. Not. My brain rejects everything about this line of thinking. It's not that I don't have an 'open mind;' actually, I enjoy being challenged, and I'm always delighted when someone gives me reason to reconsider my stance on any given subject or belief.

Obviously, I can't prove or disprove a negative... why then, shouldn't I approach any concept as potentially legitimate instead of rejecting it outright? I shouldn't, because if an idea strikes me as completely implausible at face value, I am going to reject it; the flat earth concept would be a good example. Please see: Bertrand Russell's Flying Teapot analogy as an example of applying burden of proof.

Finally, and maybe most importantly, I think that encouraging people to accept the idea of an afterlife is tantamount to devaluing the life that they currently have. If you're living for the concept of an eventual paradise, you're missing out on the here and now. Because I believe that the present is more valuable than an unprovable belief, I patently refuse to do that.

As Douglas Adams said, "Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it, too?"

ManWithNoName · Sep 26, 2019

gingerplum said:
If I were trying to sway someone to consider a different perspective, I would generally avoid adjectives like "hell-bent" and "rabid;" I would definitely avoid descriptions of "caterwauling." This verbiage strikes me as insulting and specifically directed, none too cleverly couched in the guise of speaking in generalities. That aside, I'll address the topic at hand: considering an afterlife as a viable possibility.

Firstly, all the scientific evidence, so far established, leads to the view that consciousness is a property of our living, functional body. As such it is perfectly rational to hold a physicalist view.

Secondly, is it possible that future evidence will overturn that view? Sure. It would be wholly unscientific to hold a position I wouldn't change in light of new evidence. If, tomorrow, a gateway to the afterlife opened and I could visit it and return, I think any legitimate person of science would amend their position... I sure would.

Thirdly, does the possibility of new evidence mean we should hold a position assuming that new evidence? Well, if the expectation is that the evidence is highly likely to be true but we lack the evidence or ability to prove it, then postulating that it's true is not unheard of in science. Most physicists, for example, were pretty convinced we'd find the Higgs boson as it was the only part of the Standard Model that hadn't been confirmed, even though it was unprovable at that time.

If, however, there is no good, scientific, reason to believe that a particular piece of new evidence will turn up, then generally it doesn't make sense to assume it will. The existence of an afterlife would currently fall into this category.

Note the difference between these points: Just because it's reasonable to accept the possibility that new evidence could turn up, it is not necessarily reasonable to expect a particular piece of evidence to turn up unless there are other strong indicators for it.

You're essentially asking me to embrace magical thinking... it's not that I won't do this, it's that I can't. Can. Not. My brain rejects everything about this line of thinking. It's not that I don't have an 'open mind;' actually, I enjoy being challenged, and I'm always delighted when someone gives me reason to reconsider my stance on any given subject or belief.

Obviously, I can't prove or disprove a negative... why then, shouldn't I approach any concept as potentially legitimate instead of rejecting it outright? I shouldn't, because if an idea strikes me as completely implausible at face value, I am going to reject it; the flat earth concept would be a good example. Please see: Bertrand Russell's Flying Teapot analogy as an example of applying burden of proof.

Finally, and maybe most importantly, I think that encouraging people to accept the idea of an afterlife is tantamount to devaluing the life that they currently have. If you're living for the concept of an eventual paradise, you're missing out on the here and now. Because I believe that the present is more valuable than an unprovable belief, I patently refuse to do that.

As Douglas Adams said, "Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it, too?"

Ok you make good points - my apologies. Respectfull though, referring to people's beliefs as "magic and superstition" can also be insulting to those out there (not me, but many take their beliefs very seriously).

In your response you showed that you are willing to keep an open mind on this matter, which I admire, as I also keep an open mind that death could easily be one big empty.

BTW the flat earth concept is easily dismissed because of science proved the world is round - whereas the current science cannot prove an afterlife one way or another - and it may never.

You had also stated:
"...encouraging people to accept the idea of an afterlife is tantamount to devaluing the life that they currently have"

One could also make the argument that encouraging people to accept the idea of no afterlife is tantamount to devaluing the life they have. Maybe, just maybe, you might accept the fact that people need what you consider to be superstition in order for them to function and enjoy life. Just leave them be.

gingerplum · Sep 26, 2019

ManWithNoName said:
Ok you make good points - my apologies. Respectfull though, referring to people's beliefs as "fairy tales" can also be insulting to those out there (not me, but many take their beliefs very seriously).

In your response you showed that you are willing to keep an open mind on this matter, which I admire, as I also keep an open mind that death could easily be one big empty.

BTW the flat earth concept is easily dismissed because of science proved the world is round - whereas the current science cannot prove an afterlife one way or another - and it may never.

You had also stated:
"...encouraging people to accept the idea of an afterlife is tantamount to devaluing the life that they currently have"

One could also make the argument that encouraging people to accept the idea of no afterlife is tantamount to devaluing the life they have. Maybe, just maybe, you might accept the fact that people need what you consider to be fairy tales in order for them to function and enjoy life. Just leave them be.

Thank you for your thoughtful consideration; I appreciate it.

Please know that I have no intention of trying to take away or belittle any belief from anyone who really needs it and depends on it for their stability and emotional wellness; I would never do that. I only encourage anyone who's open to ask difficult questions and be skeptical.

You've misinterpreted a couple of things. One, I'm not open to the possibility of an afterlife unless clear and verifiable evidence is presented... again, my mind rejects magical thinking of any type.

Two, you put "fairy tales" in quotations, and not only did I not apply that nomenclature to anyone's beliefs, I didn't actually say it at all. I used Adam's quote to illustrate that the wonders of life and the universe are so awe-inspiring that it's not necessary to introduce any magic or superstition; that truly, the nature of reality itself should be appreciated for being as staggeringly mind-blowing and amazeballs as it is without any theurgy.

ManWithNoName · Sep 26, 2019

gingerplum said:
Thank you for your thoughtful consideration; I appreciate it.

Please know that I have no intention of trying to take away or belittle any belief from anyone who really needs it and depends on it for their stability and emotional wellness; I would never do that. I only encourage anyone who's open to ask difficult questions and be skeptical.

You've misinterpreted a couple of things. One, I'm not open to the possibility of an afterlife unless clear and verifiable evidence is presented... again, my mind rejects magical thinking of any type.

Two, you put "fairy tales" in quotations, and not only did I not apply that nomenclature to anyone's beliefs, I didn't actually say it at all. I used Adam's quote to illustrate that the wonders of life and the universe are so awe-inspiring that it's not necessary to introduce any magic or superstition; that truly, the nature of reality itself should be appreciated for being as staggeringly mind-blowing and amazeballs as it is without any theurgy.

Yes - I corrected that - my bad. You reference words were magic and superstition.

gingerplum · Sep 26, 2019

ManWithNoName said:
Yes - I corrected that - my bad. You reference words were magic and superstition.

Much appreciated, thanks!

toomuchgrief · Oct 30, 2019

toomuchgrief said:
There is no afterlife. I would read this (link below), I actually believe this is true.

There's no afterlife, says man who 'died' twice

"It was all just black", according to a Swedish atheist who experienced clinical death twice in one year.

www.christiantoday.com

And I'm going to add this arguments, which I agreed with what these people say, regard if there anything "after" death.

quote: [[ the concept of an alleged afterlife is pure nonsense since the egg and sperm that conceive multicellular beings (like you) have no encoded immaterial or associated non-physical aspects to genetically pass on.
Of course at conception you also had no brains, no heart, no lungs, and no sensory organs of any kind or even any real body yet to speak of. All of that material stuff flowed on by the materialistic nature that was built into your genetics and the physical additions to your newly conceived 'body' (heart, brain, etc.) came via nutrients supplied via your mother's body; and post birth via your own feeding and breathing.

So any 'soul' or any 'mind' or any 'essence' that you acquired are material in nature just like your body / brain and thus its tough luck for any hoped for duality and the sort of benefits that might have resulted in, like say evidence of an afterlife. You are entirely 100% material at the end of your term since that's how you started out. ]]

quote: [[ When you die, your energy has to go somewhere. Some say that's your passport to the afterlife. Your energy is you after you die. I say that's a load of codswallop!

It is crystal clear that when you die your physical body goes nowhere; not to La-La-Land Hell; not to Never-Never-Land Heaven. More likely as not you're buried, cremated or given to the medical students to gawk at and dissect. What about that other 'half' of you, your energy? Where does it go, if it in fact it goes at all?

An Energetic Afterlife: The living body is full of energy. What happens to all that energy when the living body turns into the unliving body? Energy, after all, can neither be created nor destroyed; only changed in form. Can you take your energy with you to an afterlife; in fact is it your body's energy that becomes 'you' in an afterlife? Alas, no. Let's examine the various forms of energy, see which forms apply to the living body, and what happens to those relevant forms of energy when you start to push up those daisies. I'll start with the non-starters, for starters.

Kinetic/Potential Energy: Kinetic energy is energy of motion, but after you die, you don't move, so your kinetic energy is zero. Your potential energy is also zero unless an outside force propels you into motion and you (well your body) gain kinetic energy, but you have no control over that motion. If you just lie forever on the slab (or in the grave), your potential energy is for all practical purposes, zero.

Gravitational Energy: Your living body has mass therefore it has gravity. Your dead body has mass, therefore gravity. Gravity stays put when you die; you don't take gravity with you into the great unknown, or rather gravity doesn't take you into the great unknown.

And now let's turn to forms of more energetic relevance.

Body Heat: On average, your body is warmer than the surrounding environment, so when you die, this infrared (IR) heat energy in keeping with the second law of thermodynamics cools off and obtains equilibrium with the temperature of the surrounding environment. Your IR energy just goes into warming up the surroundings until your body and your surroundings are the same temperature. Your dead body, while you still have a body, will contain heat energy since your dead body has a temperature. But since that temperature is the same temperature as the surrounding temperature, that energy is useless for performing any actual useful function. Besides, that heat energy stays with the dead body. Now what would be impressive is that when you die your body temperature immediately drops way, way, way below room temperature as if your entire packet of body energy just packed up and moved somewhere else. Alas, that doesn't seem to happen. In fact, to be honest, it doesn't happen full-stop.

Chemical/Electrical Energy: You do have lots of chemical energy within you, all manner of chemistry is going on inside you and some of that chemical energy is converted to electrical energy. What happens to that electrical energy when you die? Well, what happens to the electrical energy in a wire leading to the light bulb when you turn off the switch? Same difference. That's in fact one definition of death – no electrical energy present.

Body Chemistry: What about all that chemistry inside you? Well, when you die, your bodily chemistry goes into reverse. Entropy resumes its natural order and increases. Your disorder increases. Your body's chemistry breaks down and decays to less complex chemistry (giving off odors in the process), but that decay is caused by other organisms, usually microbes. Microbes decrease their disorder by causing yours to increase. You no longer eat; you are now the eaten. Your chemical/electrical energy becomes their chemical/electrical energy. You don't take it with you; you don't share it; you give it all away. Your loss is the gain of others. When the very last bits of you are consumed, fossilized, weathered and eroded away to dust and below down to individual atoms scattered to the four corners of the globe, then there's no ways and means of talking about your energy – it's gone; not destroyed, just gone.

Body Chemistry Frozen: So what if your body is put in dry ice or liquid nitrogen, etc. where no microbes can get at you? Well, you're entropy (disorder) might not increase, but it doesn't decrease either (you're entire life is one long battle keeping disorder at bay). In short, once you're dead, there's no way to decrease disorder; the best you can hope for is a stalemate. But again, your dead body's temperature is the same as its surroundings, so nothing useful can be accomplished; there's no net energy flow from A to B or from B to A. What about just being put in a sterile environment at body or at least room temperature? Alas, that won't work since your dead body will be consumed from the inside by the billions of hungry microbes already living inside of you. If you're frozen stiff, then the microbes inside you are also frozen and can't munch on you.

In conclusion, all the energy that's part and parcel of, and in you right now as a living being will get disbursed into the wider environment once you kick-the-bucket. You can't have an energetic afterlife based on your energy reserves at time of death. There just is no association between your energy and an energetic afterlife. Sorry 'bout that! ]]

Kodama · Oct 30, 2019

Not affraid at all... Just affraid to fail when i'll have to CTB or to be stoped by my SI or my guilty mindset doing this ...

Avicii · Oct 30, 2019

I hope not Tinnitus is bad enough in this life never mind the next no when you die not that I know but believe it's like never being born - going under anaesthetic is similar just nothing less ttat you remember

Tortured_empath · Oct 30, 2019

My biggest wish is that there is something waiting for me. Something pleasant. Peaceful. Warmth. Healing. Embrace. Joy. The chorus. The third act where I get all I ever wanted. Or at least just my money back.

Get to talk to the guy that caused all this. Find out why I had to suffer like this.

WhiteDespair · Oct 30, 2019

I'll be judged by the Lord. I fully expect to go to Hell. By His grace I would go to Heaven. My faith is that He will make the correct choice.

Kodama · Oct 30, 2019

Tortured_empath said:
My biggest wish is that there is something waiting for me.

Hope i'll see my mom <3

Madeye · Oct 30, 2019

I think that life trains us for death. Every night we die when we go to sleep. I don't think there is anything after we die nor do I want anything. However, I think it would be nice if after I have some time to see all my friends and family before the nothingness.

MaybeMaybeKnot · Oct 30, 2019

I like to think everything just stops. Eternity sounds so boring. I married into a Jehovahs Witness family but I am an atheist.

Kronos · Oct 30, 2019

Skry said:
I honestly think that's the real reason I haven't done ctb yet, I'm afraid of what happens when I die.

Hey, so I believe in the afterlife. I listen to quite a bit of talk about what happens to a soul after suicide lately and most who talk on the subject say that after we die our life is reviewed with a lot of compassion and understanding. I believe we wouldn't go to hell, more like linger around in a pleasant environment until we decide to reincarnate. So, you shouldn't be afraid of the afterlife.

Lethe · Oct 30, 2019

The more I read about this stuff, the more I tend toward Biocentrism (Robert Lanza's) definition-- in that the universe itself is an emergent property of consciousness. So technically, I guess I'd say that I believe in reincarnation, or persistence of impersonal consciousness. I don't believe that the next life is determined by any moral right/wrong choices made in this life though, as that's all arbitrary anyway, and the universe is likely deterministic.

I would much rather believe that there's nothingness for eternity after death, but I can't convince myself that this is the case. Phenomena never happen just once in nature, so I don't expect consciousness to be any different, sadly. Eventually, somewhere, the conditions will become right for consciousness again. Truthfully, we know next to nothing about consciousness though, and it's impossible for science to study it because doing so requires, well, our own consciousness.

Flume · Oct 30, 2019

No, I don't care about it. There's nothing to know, and it impossible to prove anything... so why bother thinking about it. It's just a waste of time.

I grew up with a dad that claimed to be a medium, as kid I would often receive "messages" from the dead. I've had my fair share of the paranormal, so maybe it's easier for me to let go of this than someone else... I don't know.

DoNotLet2 · Oct 30, 2019

I am an agnostic. I don't think we will ever know whether there is something or not.
Honestly I don't really care. I think my life is more valuable when there is nothing after death. I am behaving like the death is the end. Just my opinion.

Reyki6667 · Oct 30, 2019

No. Imo.

Nor heaven nor hell exist, they were never any factual proof, you never had any skeleton coming back after a year telling you what they lived and corroborate if with others skeleton testimony.... So yeah.... And thing that remain is energy.

"In physics and chemistry, the law of conservation of energy states that the total energy of an isolated system remains constant; it is said to be conserved over time. This law means that energy can neither be created nor destroyed.
"

Well make your own conclusion.
And frankly I don't care of what happen.
If my conscience is forever removed, well, it is win for me.
If I am given a functional body, still a win.
the rest, I don't care.

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