Venting Are you 100% pro-choice towards suicide?

[ringo99]

Definitely pro choice. If you're an adult and can make rational decisions then you have the right to decide to end your life

 

[Ernest1964]

I'm 100% pro-choice! Each personal reason someone may have to decide for suicide is valid.

So let's say I'm a 15 year old girl and my first boyfriend just broke up with me and I don't think I'll EVER find love EVER again? You would say, "Sure, go ahead, here's some N."? I think some people are too immature to be able to take that decision.

 

[Erik.t.f]

im not 100% pro-choice, i think you should at least try to get better before you ctb
like a simple depression can make you suicidal but a little help and you not anymore
if you tried to get help and given it some time then im 100% pro-choice

 

[John Ryder]

So let's say I'm a 15 year old girl and my first boyfriend just broke up with me and I don't think I'll EVER find love EVER again? You would say, "Sure, go ahead, here's some N."? I think some people are too immature to be able to take that decision.

There are people here who think a fucking 5 yr old should be able to ctb at a corner store, don't be surprised. Pardon my frenchies Ernest . You can find em in live chat

 

[Glandular]

Generally, I'm pro-choice for everyone who is capable of making this decision. Deciding who is and who is not able to evaluate what suicide means is really hard. Younger people are often not mature enough and their life could change drastically (making it worth living again). However, there might be teenagers or children with unbearable physical illnesses where it would be cruel to deny the exit based on age.

 

[RichardFirst]

The option should be there, but I am of the strongest opinion that many suicides can and should be prevented. I would never encourage someone to take their own life, but the option to depart peacefully and with dignity should be there for all who need it, and the decision to take it should be left to the individual. Thankfully, this seems to be a consensus that is beginning to take root...

 

[Kera]

In a nutshell:

When I was healthy, suicide was a foreign word for me. Now that I can't do what I want anymore, suicide is part of my everyday vocabulary.

Yes, I am 100% in favour of suicide, but with medical help.
I have no choice but to do it myself!!!

 

[Praestat_Mori]

So let's say I'm a 15 year old girl and my first boyfriend just broke up with me and I don't think I'll EVER find love EVER again? You would say, "Sure, go ahead, here's some N."? I think some people are too immature to be able to take that decision.

You are right! I didn't make that clear in my post but actually I refer only to adults (18+). That topic with children and teens is certainly a very difficult one. The example you brought up would need a lot of support from the parents for the teen to understand that it's not over because of this. Will the parents give the support needed? But in general for terminally ill children there should be also ways available and ofc parents will have the last word here.

For adults I guess that even if N was available a majority would be stopped by their own SI naturally.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Problem is, people with problems that can be solved with money shouldn't be allowed to ctb by my logic, since it's not endless. BUT they also won't get to those solutions if they don't have the money. It would still be endless suffering. How endless should it be? How long should suffering have to last? At what point is suffering too much?
If the government doesn't want to help people ctb peacefully then they should help people who's suicide reason is entirely solvable. That part infuriates me. People who want to die because of financial circumstances. Just shows how shit this economic system is.

I see myself in this group. My options are limited due to age and other circumstances and with a 9-5 min wage slave job I will still not be happy rather I guess I'll have a lot more stress and may run into burnout and other mental problems in addition to the fact that I'm still not able to recover the life style I was used to live. It's either I accept that and cope with it or I don't. And when I don't want to cope with it CTB is inevitable, nobody can force me to live a life that I don't want to live due to circumstances. Any personal reason (for an adult 18+) is a legit reason to CTB if it's their decision.

 

[Darkover]

yes any age any where any how
Any Age - Any Place - Any Time

 

[Captive_Mind515]

I think in general 18 years old is a sensible limit.

However, I don't think it should be completely hard and fast on age limits either. I have seen cases where children are suffering unbearably, with very cruel conditions that not only have no cure, but also not much in the way of quality pain management either. If one of these brave kids decided that they had enough, and didn't want to keep fighting, I think they should be considered for euthanasia too. Endless suffering can inflict anyone at any age. People should be considered on a case by case basis, and exceptions made where needed.

 

[Glandular]

When I was healthy, suicide was a foreign word for me. Now that I can't do what I want anymore, suicide is part of my everyday vocabulary.

Exactly how I feel. It is easy to dismiss suicide and to argue against it when you haven't experienced true hardship and pain. That's one aspect of this forum that I like: Most people understand misery and pain better than any medical professionnels ever could.

 

[aliasblue.]

I think it's because people who are somewhat mentally stable don't understand how much of a pain it is to be alive. Even the ones who are suffering, who do want to die, are indirectly forced to change their way of thinking or atleast, they're made to feel guilty about it.

 

[Henryk]

I have to be honest, I wouldn't advise suicide for absolutely anyone, I would certainly try to do for that person what no one was able to do for me and try to get them out of suffering. I can be hypocritical because I want suicide for myself but deep down I know that this is not the best choice, that I am alive and that maybe I can live a happy life. But I know that reality is much crueler than that and that the life I've been living is painful and cruel.
It's like living a paradox where I want suicide for myself but I wouldn't let people dear and close to me commit that action

 

[SexyIncél]

I have this intuition... all the cultish normies act so horrified by suicide. I suspect there's gotta be something deep behind it, something that might change things

So what'd happen if society was 100% pro-choice?

If suicide were an option anyone could take, it might cause people to measure life against nonexistence. Society would have to compete against death. And this sounds like a low bar, but we've all met people & groups that can't even meet low standards. Where human life isn't cheap, this could force some improvements

Just a speculation

 

[SilentSadness]

I agree that people should be able to ctb with minimal restrictions. The age of ctb should be the same as the age of consent, and there should be no further restrictions. I can guarantee that anyone who says something like "no one under 25/50 should be able to ctb because their brain is undeveloped" is over that age and is just looking down on others.

 

[gag_order]

Any person who is over the legal age has the right to a peaceful death. No questions asked. Period.

 

[exiled]

I could not be 100% pro choice even if I wanted to be. I just am not wired that way. But, I am as close as my brain will allow me to get.

 

[notverylucid]

I believe if we have the right to live, then we should have the right to die. Nobody or no entity should have the capability to force you to undergo existential trauma, because they can never understand exactly what you are feeling. What I do want is for the person considering ctb to be able to fully come to that conclusion in their own mind, that they aren't making an impulsive decision. Then again, maybe impulsiveness may lead to shorter suffering and a better passing, so honestly, I just want anyone considering it to make the choice that they know suits them best.

 

[skylarwhiteyo104781]

not children. i think after 18 its definitely not up to me decide whether someone's life is living or not (in most scenarios), so i support anyone who's come to the decision they want to ctb.

children, especially teenagers, are different. think it's very circumstance based but i don't think in most scenarios would i support it or contribute to it (with advice and encouragement). think you should at least become a legal adult

 

[permanent_solution]

yes, honestly i dont care about the slippery slopes or kid suicides if it meant i got to have a clean exit, the world could burn after, idgaf.

 

[pinkribbonscars]

I believe a lot of suicides can be prevented, but I think suicide prevention and the mental health system ought to be reformed. While suicide isn't technically illegal, it's still criminalized as far as I'm concerned, which just causes more suffering in turn.

I also believe some cases cannot be turned around, and suicide should be honored in that regard, regardless of the reason.

 

[John Ryder]

yes, honestly i dont care about the slippery slopes or kid suicides if it meant i got to have a clean exit, the world could burn after, idgaf.

have to respect the honesty lol

 

[Costrecce]

In theory yes, it is inhumane to force people to live if that is the worst thing they could do to themselves, It is our choice at the end of the day. But I guess I can see where the opposite is coming from sometimes, because there are people in the world whose suicide plan isn't informed or thought out, and they might get better and they are happy in the future that they didn't go through with it in the past. But that's the thing, not everyone is like that, some people really never get better and they should be allowed to leave with no judgment. I feel like sometimes it might be people´s own selfish desire to keep these people alive, not because they care about them or understand them, but because they don't want them gone from their life. They are the ones who don't want to be sad. So do they actually care about you?