Are we all actually the same person/entity?

[WornOutLife]

It's another working and sober day for me so, I'm being serious here lol.

These past weeks, I've been watching lots videos of religion vs atheism, simulation theories, the meaning of life and the universe, what happens after death, etc. I'm just obessesed with these topics because I just want answers of my existence, which of course, I will never probably get.

However, some of the videos I've watched mentioned that there was no origin, that "God", "Nothing" or whatever you wanna call it has always been there.
Our minds are not ready to understand how something can come from nothing so we'll never understand what the hell is going on.

Surprisingly, there's a crazy theory which explains that we're all the same person because there's only one mind/consciousness controlling us, experiencing every single possibility of existing at the same time (past, present and future) and everywhere in this vast universe.

Thus, this makes me feel like sh*t because I'm just an irrelevant tiny parasite and random experience of an asshole who decided to make me go through this weird thing called life and all the bad things that had happened to me. How can he/she/it be so selfish? Is perfection so boring? I mean, I can't find any logic or reasons why they created this cruel and flawed world.

Not all of my hope is lost, though. The simulation theory makes a lot of sense and maybe I'll get the answers I want once I log out (die) from this "game".


What do you think about this? Are you and me the same person? Am I just going crazy? Tell me about it! :)

 

[orlandom]

Not. I think this is just a theory.

 

[Symbiote]

If that's the case than "God" is actually a person stuck in some intergalactic mental prison because he has 8 billion personalities all vying for his attention.

 

[Life_and_Death]

Surprisingly, there's a crazy theory which explains that we're all the same person because there's only one mind/consciousness controlling us, experiencing every single possibility of existing at the same time (past, present and future) and everywhere in this vast universe.

theres just way to many vastly different people for me to believe this. example criminals and people that are so innocent they couldnt even dream of it and everything in between

 

[LenkaX]

I think that this life is a multiplayer game which is sometimes adventure, sometimes rpg, for somebody sometimes an action or even horror, and of course, lots of drama. And once you exit (either naturally of by ctb), you start from a beginning, hopefully a different game.

 

[WornOutLife]

If that's the case than "God" is actually a person stuck in some intergalactic mental prison because he has 8 billion personalities all vying for his attention.

I guess he had way too many beers and psychedelics and is really tripping lol

 

[orlandom]

I believe that the world is endless. Time is endless. The space is endless. God? I hope there is. But this is not a fact. Perhaps everything just exists independently of anyone. Do you understand? That is why no one helps us in difficult times.

I am sure that after death we become part of something else. Paradise does not exist. Hell also. I think we are all one entity of something.

 

[WornOutLife]

I believe that the world is endless. Time is endless. The space is endless. God? I hope there is. But this is not a fact. Perhaps everything just exists independently of anyone. Do you understand? That is why no one helps us in difficult times.

I am sure that after death we become part of something else. Paradise does not exist. Hell also. I think we are all one entity of something.

I'm an agnostic so I can't prove nor deny the existence of a "God" but I bet if he exists, he's beyond the laws of physics, time and space. That's why no one, not even the brightest minds we have and had in this world, can't find the answer.

However, it's really interesting reading about this.

It's so weird knowing that we're all gonna die! I wonder what thell will happen! I'm okay with eternal nothingness, though.

 

[orlandom]

Any psychotherapist after such topics on the forum would ask you to go to the hospital. Are you all right? xD ^^

 

[WornOutLife]

Any psychotherapist after such topics on the forum would ask you to go to the hospital. Are you all right? xD ^^

I'm doing quite well, actually. (except last Sunday, terrible hangover.)
I just love talking about this stuff and it's great to read people's different theories.

 

[orlandom]

theres just way to many vastly different people for me to believe this. example criminals and people that are so innocent they couldnt even dream of it and everything in between

I don't want you to ever disappear from this forum. I think you are my credo. I love your kind posts so much. Sorry

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

You mean like in this video?


Could be possible. If it's true then it actually kind of takes a lot of the pressure off trying too hard so it's an inviting theory.

 

[WornOutLife]

You mean like in this video?


Could be possible. If it's true then it actually kind of takes a lot of the pressure off trying too hard so it's an inviting theory.

OMFG I've watched this one too!
I love Kurzgesagt so much!!

You certainly have good taste ;)

 

[orlandom]

I think we are all this man. Each cell in this man is the body of a new man of the same kind. Do you understand? And in this new man, every cell is the body of a new man of the same kind. The whole point is on Fridays? Do you understand? I think not) I hug you)

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

OMFG I've watched this one too!
I love Kurzgesagt so much!!

You certainly have good taste ;)

Thanks, back at ya!

 

[intr0verse]

The answer to my existence come from the realm of biology: some 30+ years ago, one night (or maybe it was daytime?) my parents had nothing better to do than have some fun and here i am, just another screwed human being.
Regarding the issue of whether something can come from nothing, i guess we have to define the nothingness we want to work with: the philosophical one, which doesn't exist in reality or with the one proposed by physics, the quantum fluctuations of space-time itself. My personal opinion is that the Universe (or multiverse if you like) has always existed and will always exist but it's endlessly changing.
Edit: and no, i don't think we are the same being/entity.

 

[signifying nothing]

What do you think about this? Are you and me the same person? Am I just going crazy? Tell me about it! :)

Maybe meeting (and communicating with) someone is like looking in a partially-reflective mirror? At least that's how it feels to me. And the more the other person 'reflects' you, the more you get along together, etc.

 

[WornOutLife]

Maybe meeting (and communicating with) someone is like looking in a partially-reflective mirror? At least that's how it feels to me. And the more the other person 'reflects' you, the more you get along together, etc.

Wow! That sounds quite interesting!
Thanks for sharing! I knew there would be some epic replies on a thread like this lol.

 

[StringPuppet]

It depends how valuable you think personal experiences in life are. Besides having unique experiences and a few cosmetic differences all humans are pretty much the same. If there is a God that wanted to experience living through us he must be pretty disappointed because most of life just consists of eating, sleeping, working, and dying. I can't imagine why the few unique experiences we have justifies all the suffering we go through, suffering that only ends when we die. This is why my current personal belief is we were put on this Earth to contemplate suffering so we'll know how bad it is when we transcend.

 

[Life_and_Death]

I don't want you to ever disappear from this forum. I think you are my credo. I love your kind posts so much. Sorry

sorry for reading this after my latest thread i also find it funny considering i see myself as god.

i believe everyone is their own god, they just either havent found it (people without a moral compass) or feel the need to look else where (those with religion). i believe it all comes from within no matter where they look.

 

[WornOutLife]

most of life just consists of eating, sleeping, working, and dying.

I totally agree. I find normal life so boring. I might add that most of normies goals in this life are also getting married and having children. There's like a constant necessity for some humans to reproduce themselves and leave some of copy of themselves in this world even though they know that most marriages fail.
Anyway, I should post another thread talking about that. Interesting topic xD

 

[orlandom]

sorry for reading this after my latest thread i also find it funny considering i see myself as god.

i believe everyone is their own god, they just either havent found it (people without a moral compass) or feel the need to look else where (those with religion). i believe it all comes from within no matter where they look.

I love your posts on this forum so much. I just want to say that you are a great person.

 

[signifying nothing]

Wow! That sounds quite interesting!
Thanks for sharing! I knew there would be some epic replies on a thread like this lol.

Don't tell me you've never looked into the mirror and wondered - is that just my reflection, or is there another person in another universe on the other side? Good way to freak yourself out for a moment at least.

 

[WornOutLife]

Don't tell me you've never looked into the mirror and wondered - is that just my reflection, or is there another person in another universe on the other side? Good way to freak yourself out for a moment at least.

I gotta admit it's happened to me more than once.
I just hope there's some version of me that is really happy out there. I'm one of those who failed lol.

 

[eclipse]

The way I see it...

We have evolved to survive as hunters/gatherers. That's what our brains are "made" for. We try to make sense of everything in terms we can comprehend with our limited mental capacity. A butterfly can never grasp the concept of human language because no such thing exists in its brain, and likewise we can't grasp the bigger questions of existence, eternity, universe etc. because our brains aren't made for that.

We can figure out the mathematical rules of how the universe works, but we can't actually imagine it. We try to find analogies that somehow make sense to us, but in the end they're just that, crude analogies trying to give our feeble brains a faint idea of how it works in terms they can understand. The universe doesn't give a shit about us, it just is what it is. And our very specialised/limited brains don't have the capacity to "understand" it, whatever that means. "Understanding" is also a concept made up in our brains that probably has no meaning in the universe.

And that is where I think all these ideas come from. Through animism, we imagined wilful agency behind everything, even trees and stones, because that's how our brains are wired. When that went out of fashion, we invented things like monotheism which despite the differences still conveys the same notion of agency. When that's going out of fashion, we think up concepts of a "simulation", but imo that's still born of the same desire to imply agency where there isn't any, imo it's still the same psychological phenomenon that once made us think trees had spirits.

Can something come out of nothing? It doesn't make sense to our brains, but again the universe doesn't care what we can imagine. Quantum mechanics etc. have shown that.

Personally, I think all the theories you mentioned are mind games made up in our limited brains, trying to make up "sense" where there isn't any. The universe doesn't care if it makes sense to us.

 

[avoid_slow_death]

When I was younger, maybe 20 years ago, I thought of something similar. I thought, "What if the entire universe is simply a neuron firing off in some beings brain, hence the big bang". If you think about it enough, its quite a depressing thing because it means not only us and our planet, but the entire universe is simply the firing of a neuron into a synapse. A flash. A blink.

 

[WornOutLife]

The way I see it...

We have evolved to survive as hunters/gatherers. That's what our brains are "made" for. We try to make sense of everything in terms we can comprehend with our limited mental capacity. A butterfly can never grasp the concept of human language because no such thing exists in its brain, and likewise we can't grasp the bigger questions of existence, eternity, universe etc. because our brains aren't made for that.

We can figure out the mathematical rules of how the universe works, but we can't actually imagine it. We try to find analogies that somehow make sense to us, but in the end they're just that, crude analogies trying to give our feeble brains a faint idea of how it works in terms they can understand. The universe doesn't give a shit about us, it just is what it is. And our very specialised/limited brains don't have the capacity to "understand" it, whatever that means. "Understanding" is also a concept made up in our brains that probably has no meaning in the universe.

And that is where I think all these ideas come from. Through animism, we imagined wilful agency behind everything, even trees and stones, because that's how are brains are wired. When that went out of fashion, we invented things like monotheism which despite the differences still conveys the same notion of agency. When that's going out of fashion, we think up concepts of a "simulation", but imo that's still born of the same desire to imply agency where there isn't any, imo it's still the same psychological phenomenon that once made us think trees had spirits.

Can something come out of nothing? It doesn't make sense to our brains, but again the universe doesn't care what we can imagine. Quantum mechanics etc. have shown that.

Personally, I think all the theories you mentioned are mind games made up in our limited brains, trying to make up "sense" where there isn't any. The universe doesn't care if it makes sense to us.

I really liked your comparison of our brains with a butterfly's.
I guess that could be the true case. We're simply not programmed to understand what the hell is going on!
The only things that convince me are eternal nothingness or the simulation theory. Videogames are becoming more and more real. In comparison to games from 30 years ago, like PONG, they're amazing now. Imagine what they will look like in 200 years! Nonsense!

 

[StringPuppet]

I totally agree. I find normal life so boring. I might add that most of normies goal in this life are also getting married and having children. There's like a constant necessity for some humans to reproduce themselves and leave some of copy of themselves in this world even though they know that most marriages fail.
Anyway, I should post another thread talking about that. Interesting topic xD

That'd definitely be a topic I'd be interested in. I think most people don't realize how much our biological instinct to reproduce determines who we love, but those instincts won't be the same 10 years down the line when you and your spouse have already reproduced and now you two realize you actually don't like each other much and have no reason to stay together.

 

[9BBN]

Simulation theory is a nice thought but most unlikely. The theory goes that there was an original civilization, which discovered how to simulate a new world to contain a new civilization. Then this civilization made new civilizations, etc, until a final civilization was created via simulation. Odds are, we are one of these civilizations, right? Nope. We haven't had the capacity to simulate a new world yet, so either we are civilization zero, or the last civilization on the chain. Odds of that are much much slimmer.

The paradox that something was made from nothing might not be so impossible. Scientists have done quantum experiments and found that fundamental particles like higgs boson can pop in and out of existence. We don't completely understand it, but it might be the case that, in cosmic nothingness, something must eventually pop into existence. In the same way that once you accept numbers as a concept exist, they must have certain properties like even/odd, random prime numbers, etc. It is paradoxical to conceive of numbers without having even/odd or random prime patterns. Similarly, it might in fact be paradoxical to have nothingness without something. I'm simplifying heavily here, but I do study this stuff. Basically, conservation of energy and mass do not hold at the quantum level, which could be fundamental to understanding how the world was created.

Technicality: it is not yet proven that prime numbers are random, but we strongly believe so, otherwise all cybersecurity will be null and nobody will have privacy.

 

[Superdeterminist]

I do think that maybe it was never the case that something came from nothing. I think there must be something eternal (outside of time) at the base of reality, our universe had a beginning, but not reality itself (multiverse?). Apparently there are philosophical issues around the idea of nothing. People sometimes visualise 'nothing' in their mind's eye as some kind of black void, but that's clearly still something. What exactly is 'nothing'? The absence of everything? But for there to even be a total absence to describe, there has to exist the notion of presence, which is something. It seems that maybe, there is no such thing as complete nothingness. And as for god, I've never "felt god's presence" as others claim they have, so I don't believe any god exists. I can't rule it out, but it's like unicorns or something, I've only ever heard about it in books. And if god exists (meaning: an agent responsible for all creation), they must be not all-good, not all-powerful, or both, due to the problem of suffering. We can't rule out an evil or morally imperfect god.

I don't think we're the same person, I think we really are individuals, clearly we have our own independent physical forms and minds. However, I often think about how all aspects of ourselves is at bottom down to chance (where and to what parents we were born, personality, eye colour, every single aspect of ourselves), and this makes me much better able to sympathise with someone else when their views/choices/lifestyle differ radically from my own, because it's really just chance that I'm how I am, and they're how they are; I could've been just like them and it's just chance that I'm not.

Additionally, I'm a big fan of physicist Sabine Hossenfelder and her recent attempts to revive the unpopular theory of superdeterminism. This physical theory also includes the principle of 'universal relatedness' which means that basically everything in the universe is physically related, even if extremely weakly. You're strongly related to the chair you're sitting on, whereas the neutron 2 million light years away might seem to have zero effect on you, but perhaps it is impacting you in some way, however weakly. I think this means that in order to get a complete physical description of you, I'd have to analyse your entire environment as well (which is the entirety of the universe.) Obviously though that's extreme, and we can probably capture most relevant aspects about you without so much detail. Personally I would hate for quantum mechanics to be the end of the story (the best we can do is probabilities? Really?) and superdeterminism holds some promise for leading us to more definite answers by revealing some kind of theory underlying quantum mechanics.

I reject the "it would be boring" argument against perfection, because I think that a perfect world wouldn't allow that feeling of boredom to arise to a level which causes suffering. After all, it's only some kind of brain activity which we should be able to manipulate with the right knowledge, surely? Maybe small amounts of boredom are actually part of the recipe for perfection. But you do have to define perfection and I think people have differing ideas of what it means, and it's hard to define at all. For me something like 'the complete absence of suffering and the maximal amount of joy' seems maybe appropriate, that's still not specific enough though really I don't think.​