Discussion Are there people coming on this forum posing as people looking for suicide methods with the intent of having Sanctioned Suicide shut down?

[toforigivelife]

I don't want to encourage those who are on the fence about ending their lives by giving them advice about how to catch the bus or about how to ctb.

If you're in doubt I truly hope you find the personal support you need or, if it comes down to it, the professional help that you need.

But the truth is that there is not a happy pill for every ill and some cases of mental illness such as clinical depression are not manageable or able to be cured.

That's why countries are beginning to accept mental illness as a criteria under their right to die laws.

I offer insights and advice intended for those who truly are suffering and who have run the gamut as far as therapy, dietary changes, thinking positive, pills, psych wards and the such and I guess I empathize with those who are in a level of relentless and crippling pain that medicine and all other forms of treatment has failed to alleviate.

Suicide prevention too often means refusing to simply and genuinely listen to those who are suicidal, which all too often leaves painfully isolated in their struggle and agonizing over their desire to end their suffering in lonely personal hell.

Suicide prevention all too often means giving the suicidal person the usual "find the right pill" and empty "seek help" advice without the suicidal person having any sense of personal support and understanding.

Suicide prevention all too often means denying access to effective means of peacefully ending their pain and illness leaving them to to die in trauma and agony by way of poison, hanging themselves, jumping from tall buildings, butchering their wrists and throats or waiting for a speeding train or semi truck to hit them.

Doctors are even refusing to come up with or prescribe a safe and effective benzo treatment plan that would help alleviate the agony of chronic anxiety and the daily struggle that a racing, terrified mind and the terrifying sense of losing touch with reality that severe anxiety can bring.

If your anxiety is that severe it's your problem I guess. Doctors are pretty much shrugging their shoulders at your struggles.

And any truly helpful or effective diagnosis or treatment are reserved for those who have lots of money and great health insurance (those who struggle with mental illness, the isolated ones in particular, have a very tough time getting jobs that pay them lots of money and that offer useful healthcare coverage).

So it would be a shame if there are little spies coming on here with the intent of shutting down one of the last remaining communities where those who are hurting and in despair, who are being driven to the edge by chronic illness and chronic pain and mental illness can be honest about their feelings, their painful, painful struggles and receive support and seek ways to end suffering that science and medicine and profit-driven pharmaceutical companies don't want to admit they can't assist with or cure.

 

[Pure]

I saw someone say that after SS got in the news there was an uptick in people asking for really violent methods that wouldn't work without extra unnecessary pain to maybe goat into people into sharing less painful ways which theoretically could be used as evidence as SS users telling people they should kill themselves in a certain way instead being pro choice.
If you check in on Fixthe26 you'll find they openly admit they have accounts on here and are in chatrooms. Not a stretch to say them or their supporters would intentionally do something to goat users into acting into a "evil" way

 

[deadverysoon]

im sure there are such people.

and im very sure these are the kind of people who never were close to ctb.

and also do not understand why this website is more helpful than the most "professional" treatments.

they think they know what kind of treatment would help. but its like someone who has never driven a car is teaching how to do it.

if i had a bunch of money i would donate for some uptime of the SS - server. im sorry that im dead broke :D

 

[Cant go back]

Yes absolutely. They are pretty easy to spot on here too when they do decide to post.

 

[toforigivelife]

I saw someone say that after SS got in the news there was an uptick in people asking for really violent methods that wouldn't work without extra unnecessary pain to maybe goat into people into sharing less painful ways which theoretically could be used as evidence as SS users telling people they should kill themselves in a certain way instead being pro choice.
If you check in on Fixthe26 you'll find they openly admit they have accounts on here and are in chatrooms. Not a stretch to say them or their supporters would intentionally do something to goat users into acting into a "evil" way

And this attitude is coming from people who probably have no idea what it's like to struggle with suicidal feelings.

It's as if they're doing research on methods they want to take away in order to come up with ways to force those who are very sick and have no quality of life to live because that's the way they feel it should be or because they feel that's how God feels it should be.

It's a shame that we now have to be suspicious of those who might genuinely need to vent or are just looking for the sense of peace in knowing that there is an answer if their suffering becomes unbearable.

And sometimes that's all people need to know. In countries that offer assisted suicide those who've been approved often cancel the procedure but take great comfort in knowing that the option is there.

im sure there are such people.

and im very sure these are the kind of people who never were close to ctb.

and also do not understand why this website is more helpful than the most "professional" treatments.

they think they know what kind of treatment would help. but its like someone who has never driven a car is teaching how to do it.

if i had a bunch of money i would donate for some uptime of the SS - server. im sorry that im dead broke :D

"and im very sure these are the kind of people who never were close to ctb."

Exactly.

These are probably the same people where a person could be in a catastrophic accident and left paralyzed from the neck down, burns over 90 percent of their bodies, struck blind and have severe brain damage but feel the person in question should be "grateful" that their heart continues to beat and that their lungs continue to expand and contract because, no matter the circumstances, life is a "gift".

 

[phoenixx]

Yes, I think so. I don't know why they have to do this. I don't want this site to be taken down, it's like my comfort place now. It's the only place where I get to talk about all the shit that goes on in my head and meet people who experience similar things. If this gets taken away, I wouldn't know what to do.

 

[Tamz]

Yes, I think so. I don't know why they have to do this. I don't want this site to be taken down, it's like my comfort place now. It's the only place where I get to talk about all the shit that goes on in my head and meet people who experience similar things. If this gets taken away, I wouldn't know what to do.

I don't know or understand all that's going on with people wanting to take site down, have only read bits on here. Why are they wanting to take the site down. Surely there's nothing wrong on this site? We're not doing anything wrong are we coz if we were then surely this site wouldn't exist.

 

[phoenixx]

I don't know or understand all that's going on with people wanting to take site down, have only read bits on here. Why are they wanting to take the site down. Surely there's nothing wrong on this site? We're not doing anything wrong are we coz if we were then surely this site wouldn't exist.

I think it's due to suicides of people who are connected to this site. I've read articles about it (it's actually how I found out about SS back a couple of years ago) and people think it's a bad place here and we're all encouraging others to commit. SS has got blamed for a number of suicides because they were members of this community and their families want this place to be shut down (this is what I've heard anyway).

 

[toforigivelife]

I think it's due to suicides of people who are connected to this site. I've read articles about it (it's actually how I found out about SS back a couple of years ago) and people think it's a bad place here and we're all encouraging others to commit. SS has got blamed for a number of suicides because they were members of this community and their families want this place to be shut down (this is what I've heard anyway).

Agree.

SS is not a place that encourages suicide and it's not a place that causes suicide. Suicides are years in the planning.

SS is a last resort, a place for people who have reached their breaking point and who need to connect with others who understand what they're going through and who can offering empathy and compassion and who will listen to them.

Because if there is one thing that those who like to weep and wring their hands over those who have died by suicide, and who like to judge those who died by suicide, is listen to them.

Two of the most important things that suicidal people never receive are people who just be devastated if they leave to listen and at least try to understand where the suicidal person is coming from.

 

[Brick In The Wall]

Yea, they've always been here. I just smile and "wave."

 

[toforigivelife]

Yea, they've always been here. I just smile and "wave."

LOL!

 

[thelastofit]

Possibly. Well it's clear there are. People are on here for a multitude of reasons which we will never truly know. The world is full of liars tbf. There are probably people in here with no intention of ending their life just think it's an interesting place - like a safari.

 

[deadverysoon]

I think it's due to suicides of people who are connected to this site. I've read articles about it (it's actually how I found out about SS back a couple of years ago) and people think it's a bad place here and we're all encouraging others to commit. SS has got blamed for a number of suicides because they were members of this community and their families want this place to be shut down (this is what I've heard anyway).

of course the family members or nearby people want such a site down.

they dont want to feel guilty and want to think this site is the reason why people ctb.

they should question themselves and what they did to that person at first.

Possibly. Well it's clear there are. People are on here for a multitude of reasons which we will never truly know. The world is full of liars tbf. There are probably people in here with no intention of ending their life just think it's an interesting place - like a safari.

but in my opinion people who are just interested are not the problem. its them who troll around in such a place.
or if someone is posting things just for educational purpose without telling "its for educational purpose".
i think its not bad if someone is in here who does not want to end his/her life.

 

[FuneralCry]

There probably is. Anyway, taking this forum away and censoring conversations about suicide will just make people more isolated and desperate. This is the one place where we can talk about these topics without toxic positivity and constant platitudes. This place is needed. This forum sees the right to die as important, we have the right to take our lives at a time of our choosing, we have no obligations to stay alive, as we did not ask to be here. It is our lives, our decision and nobody else has any say in it. This forum is pro choice, meaning we respect people's decisions whether they choose to live or die. It is cruel how society expects people to suffer against their wishes. Of course, those who have not been suicidal themselves will never be able to comprehend what it is like.

 

[toforigivelife]

There probably is. Anyway, taking this forum away and censoring conversations about suicide will just make people more isolated and desperate. This is the one place where we can talk about these topics without toxic positivity and constant platitudes. This place is needed. This forum sees the right to die as important, we have the right to take our lives at a time of our choosing, we have no obligations to stay alive, as we did not ask to be here. It is our lives, our decision and nobody else has any say in it. This forum is pro choice, meaning we respect people's decisions whether they choose to live or die. It is cruel how society expects people to suffer against their wishes. Of course, those who have not been suicidal themselves will never be able to comprehend what it is like.

I absolutely agree with your statements about the right to die and how cruel it is to expect a suffering person to live against their will. Absolutely agree.

And, I think, under the right circumstances, that we should be able to discuss different methods.

But I think it is also important to point out that SS is also a place for people to connect and make friends who understand their struggles with suicidal thoughts and feelings and that can be a godsend to a suicidal person and possibly stop them from ending their life.

People also come here to vent about their therapists and the different treatments they are utilizing and can also come away with good advice as far as finding the right kind of help if that's the route they wish to take.

 

[user_name_here]

Police too, there's definitely law enforcement agents from various countries that sign up and stake out this forum/users.

To my officers: Hello, what's your fav game from the last generation?

 

[toforigivelife]

Police too, there's definitely law enforcement agents from various countries that sign up and stake out this forum/users.

To my officers: Hello, what's your fav game from the last generation?

That's ironic since law enforcement are the last people you want to call if someone is in a suicidal crisis.

 

[user_name_here]

That's ironic since law enforcement are the last people you want to call if someone is in a suicidal crisis.

Agree. I don't think they're here to help any individuals, purely here to survey and monitor for any illegal activities.

 

[toforigivelife]

Agree. I don't think they're here to help any individuals, purely here to survey and monitor for any illegal activities.

Probably.

 

[Pure]

Police too, there's definitely law enforcement agents from various countries that sign up and stake out this forum/users

Do they comment or just lurk? I can't imagine cops caring that much but tbh I don't have a favorable view on them anyways.

Agree. I don't think they're here to help any individuals, purely here to survey and monitor for any illegal activities.

Makes sense.

 

[user_name_here]

Do they comment or just lurk? I can't imagine cops caring that much but tbh I don't have a favorable view on them anyways.

Probably both.

On occasion i'll notice a post or a thread that just strikes me as suspiciously abrasive of the law. And I'm not talking about "edgy" posts or angry venting, more like "hey can somebody help me do X even though X is clearly illegal".. you know, to that effect, maybe not verbatim but something to effect of fishing or entrapment.

 

[Flippy]

This site needs to exist! The need is a symptom of how sick society is. The indifference towards the suffering any illness can cause seems to be widespread based on people's experiences posted here.

Time after time I see posts from people who talk about being gaslit and bullied by people who are paid EXTREMELY WELL to "help" us. But they don't seem interested unless whatever pill they push results in rapid and immediate remission. And don't you dare have an adverse reaction, you get accused of trying to heard them into prescribing "the goodies".

So, it's a strange situation where if I have an injured arm, the response I get for some goddam baffling reason, is that infact, I mustn't have an injured arm, I must be seeking drugs. Even though there's no evidence I ever have on my medical records. When you get treated like a dirty little attention seeking junkie, with a finger up your nose and your hand held out because you've had the nerve to seek the assistance for which they are paid to provide, why the hell would you want to live in a world like that?

It's even worse if you go to these well paid "professionals" with a mental illness.

"You say you are feeling suicidal? Why would you want to do that? That's silly, stop it, ok you are cured!"

You can't actually have a proper conversation with a psychiatrist without incurring their wrath. So you keep your mouth shut while you suffer and they pat themselves on the back.

If these "professionals" had done their job and helped my mother, perhaps she wouldn't have psychologically tortured the shit out of me. Maybe she wouldn't have hit me so often, maybe she wouldn't have drank so much, turned off the gas and electricity and spent the night screaming the most obscene accusations at me and smashing shit up.

Perhaps then, I wouldn't have developed bipolar disorder, but even if I had at least I would have maybe had a mother that wouldn't have tortured me with it when I showed symptoms.

It took me years to gain the confidence to trust these "professionals". I felt so dumb that I had let my mother poison me against them and for a while I was much better. But once I relapsed I was treated like dirt and told I made my diagnosis up.

So ironically, I should have listened to my mother. So what alternative do I have. If I seek help I get told to shut up and barked and shouted at. I know that eventually my illness will kick in full throttle and then what will I do? Seek help from those bastards? Not this time.

I ended up on SS because I've figured out that there's only one way to get off this merry go round. If I hadn't found this site I would have likely been gone already, or melted my face off trying to ctb with chemicals I didn't know how to use.

This site gives people a space to vent (like I unintendedly have managed to do here). It allows people a place to realise that they aren't taking crazy pills and share their experiences and support eachother. Which is more than society or "professionals" often do, despite its flattering itself that they do because they print Ruby Wax on a tote bag saying "3 out of 5 suffer with mental illness".

 

[whywere]

WOW, never thought about something like this since I was lucky enough to be able to come aboard. If there are folks who sign up just to try and either shut down and/or disrupt others who are helping one another, then shame on them.

This site to me is like a family. I have said this before, in so far as I have zero friends nor any family at all. This site is all I have as far as human connectivity goes and this site, in my view point, saves more people from ctb than any other social site on the net.

I truly love helping folks out and being helped also, like a true family and to think that there could be someone or more people who are trying to "back stab" the rest of the good folks on here is just too much for me to comprehend.

Folks like that should always remember that: 1) easy to judge, hard to understand 2) would that want it done to them?" and history has shown us that trying to dictate to others, what is in someone's view right or wrong, is always a detriment to others and society in general long term.

If there are people on here that are so mean as such, please direct that energy into a more meaningful and productive avenue.

Everyone on here please have a great Friday and upcoming weekend and stay safe from covid,

Walter

 

[Jblack]

I am sure that such people are around. Those who are sure that wanting to exit is not a choice but an illness to be cured. What amazes me about these people is that while they support abortion they don't support suicide. This is not be to an attack on women but if an abortion is a protected right to do with her body as she sees fit, then for me suicide is the right to do with my body as I see fit. It is frustrating that these people cannot open their minds and beliefs so that they at least understand my right to exit.

All that being said, I have seen postings on here that I did not respond to. The question poised just didn't look sincere. Coming out and looking for very specific exit information is a red flag for me. Some folks just don't read the rules and ask stupid things. But the "do gooders" who want sites like this shut down also post blatant questions to build ammo for trying to shut down site such as this.

 

[WatermelonMel]

If there are folks who sign up just to try and either shut down and/or disrupt others who are helping one another, then shame on them.

Yeah there are, big time. They have mobs on Twitter, I tried having a normal conversation with them but lost too many brain cells trying.

 

[motel rooms]

"3 out of 5 suffer with mental illness"

We're winning!

 

[Flippy]

We're winning!

Shit! You're right! That's awesome! Do we get prize? I like cats, can it be a cat!?

 

[motel rooms]

Do we get prize? I like cats, can it be a cat!?

You can BE a cat when we win!

 

[Flippy]

Really!!? That would be great! Let's get this show on the road then with the chant "4 OUT OF 5 BY DECEMBER!!!!"