Discussion Are there any other people who shares the theology of FuneralCry?

[Nights]

I was wondering, funeralcry's theology and understanding of existence is amazing, are there any other people who holds the same beliefs as funeralcry?

 

[InSearchOfLess]

Certainly, having combed through many posts I've found there is many others though not many as vocal, I must admit though when I see they have chimed in on a topic I find my self curious as to what they have to say as they are very insightful while being respectful to the community.

 

[MeltingBrain]

FC believes no life should exist because life is just suffering .
That's not true. Most normal people have an overall happy existence for most of their lives except at the end when a destructive disease takes over . Even if they go through a bad time they still have lots of hope as long as their mind and body are largely healthy.
Many people on this forum are the ones who have slipped through the cracks (severe mental and/or physical issues) and they largely just chronically suffer with no way out.

 

[OceanBlue]

FC believes no life should exist because life is just suffering .
That's not true.

Too anthropocentric. If you don't agree with FC, then you lack empathy and/or awareness - the worst part is that does not stop people from being opinionated.

 

[Forever Sleep]

There are a few committed nihilists on here I would say but I'll leave it to them to reveal themselves. Not that it's a crime of course!

Someone did a scale once- a kind of: Where do you lie on the pro-life through to pro-choice through to pro-death point of view type of thing... I just can't seem to find it now though...

Maybe as an overall principle, a few people would be pro-death here- they believe non existence is better for everything- full stop... Still on an individual level- I'd say EVERYONE was pro-choice. I don't think anyone here would try and CONVINCE someone that CTB was their best option- if they didn't already believe it themselves.

I'd say most people here are pro-choice. Some are pro-choice with a pro-life leaning. Ie. They maybe think 'recovery' is possible for some people but individual choice still reigns supreme.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

In some points I definitely agree with FC's thoughts, if I did not exists at all or if I just CTBed a few years ago to end my existence and be relieved that would have saved mit from so much agony and suffering I have to go through now. And still I hesitate to end all this although I know it won't get any better.

While if I can just get my life back on track the way I wish for I wouldn't have a problem with my existence as long as I personally think my life is worth to be lived.

 

[Crono]

A lot of people are happy, but existence is still something negative, if some people need to suffer for others to be happy then it's better that all life in the universe was extinct. Even if only 0.00001% of the people were suffering, life must not exist.

 

[jonward55]

I think this is the only thread on here not attracting the usual post that is in every other thread for once.
I just came here for methods to CTB and nothing else really, the world is already full of fake/pointless words.
I just want to get off.

 

[Daxter_87]

FuneralCry is probably one of the most sensible, rational and compassionate members I've ever seen on this forum. Of course I share her worldview. If only more people were like her, suffering in this world would be reduced drastically.

 

[Justnotme]

FC believes no life should exist because life is just suffering .
That's not true. Most normal people have an overall happy existence for most of their lives except at the end when a destructive disease takes over . Even if they go through a bad time they still have lots of hope as long as their mind and body are largely healthy.
Many people on this forum are the ones who have slipped through the cracks (severe mental and/or physical issues) and they largely just chronically suffer with no way out.

Why do you think that lack of desire to live = psychological problems?
In order to assert this, you need to know the nature of man, how he appeared, how the human mind appeared, how various terms and concepts appeared, how this world appeared, what the universe is, and so on.
Who knows the answers to all these questions? No one, I suppose
When it comes to the most complex philosophical questions (including the question of the nature of a particular person, the question of the mind of a particular person), then everything comes down only to theories

 

[Livingvsdying25]

Most normal people have an overall happy existence for most of their lives except at the end when a destructive disease takes over . Even if they go through a bad time they still have lots of hope as long as their mind and body are largely healthy.

Ok this is just not true at all.

Normal is a very subjective term. If the world was more equal in regards to being able to equally choose life vs death than I don't think as many people would choose life. A lot of people grow up in horrible circumstances. Experience horrible things throughout life. Have to go through so much. Or they just don't enjoy life. Even if you have a healthy mind or body doesn't make life worth living. I think that this is just a really narrow minded view in the sense of assuming suicidality is born of abnormal circumstances..I just don't agree.

That being said to answer the question... this thread feels very weird like we all have views about life & death on here. Is there a particular reason you are calling out FuneralCry's views? Im aware that they comment on a lot of threads but I personally do not have a problem with it and I enjoy seeing their engagement. If someone isnt ok with it then say something but this thread is odd.

I do agree with some of FuneralCry point of view's Im not totally nihilistic but once you live through certain experiences (rape,human trafficking,abusive families etc etc) you see how common it is for people to have these experiences & that its just not talked about enough and that there isnt proper supports set up for people to actually live a life of ease & peace after experiencing these things.

Hell we have group homes, residential treatments here and Canada and every single one I went to was filled with shitty workers that had no business working in the field. They took things people did(myself included) personally and made it their job to make my experience and others horrible.

The last place I went to was a residential treatment for women that have experienced human trafficking and they tried to frame me as a kleptomaniac. (They said I moved someone's slippers and I literally didnt??) They didn't like that I was independent. They heard me puking everyday and NO ONE talked to me about it. I've never been the favorite and in this world just being autistic/ neurodivergent makes you a target

Go into the Autism subreddit and search "being disliked/hated" and see how many people have experiences of simply existing and being hated for it.
This world is fucked up. I dont believe its all doom and gloom but theres so much to fucking fix and depending on your own intersecting identities it can feel like constant battle. Even people born into accepting families and such still have hardtimes so.

Semi-Rant but yee that's my opinion on the subject.

 

[myusername890]

FuneralCry is probably one of the most sensible, rational and compassionate members I've ever seen on this forum. Of course I share her worldview. If only more people were like her, suffering in this world would be reduced drastically.

I completely agree, I just don't understand those who disagree with her. It's so relieving to see her posts, as nearly all of them project my thoughts perfectly.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Why do you think that lack of desire to live = psychological problems?
In order to assert this, you need to know the nature of man, how he appeared, how the human mind appeared, how various terms and concepts appeared, how this world appeared, what the universe is, and so on.
Who knows the answers to all these questions? No one, I suppose
When it comes to the most complex philosophical questions (including the question of the nature of a particular person, the question of the mind of a particular person), then everything comes down only to theories

I'd rather debate this as a philosophical issue rather than make it personally about FueralCry. I want to make it clear- I'm not ABSOLUTELY disagreeing with you. It's something I find curious myself.

But here goes: Is a Nihilist mindset 'natural'. Given what we know about nature and natural drives- where we originated- is it 'natural' to long for the destruction of yourself and your entire species? I'd say it was the opposite of what's residing in the primal part of our brains. It's why most suicidal people struggle with SI. We were clearly originially 'wired' to WANT to live and to WANT to reproduce and ensure the survival of our species.

So then- what has happened to us?!! Is it a defect within us? Is it 'illness'? Is it that we're sentient? More sentient than other creatures PERHAPS. Is sentience 'natural' then? It seems to be working in opposition to all that's 'natural' in our cases. I don't know. I find it curious.

 

[brokeandbroken]

I was wondering, funeralcry's theology and understanding of existence is amazing, are there any other people who holds the same beliefs as funeralcry?

I don't know the entire theology so it is hard to put forth an all encompassing answer w/o reading through each and every post... Though it is at least related to mine in that a lot of people are bullied there childhood then abandoned and told to suck it up and deal with it. Society expects these individuals who have known very little good things in terms of relations with people to not be affected and to deal with the isolation. This leads to a lot of things including people wanting to end their lives. I'd surmise many people on here have a similar backstory. Ultimately, my view is life isn't about how hard you work, or anything else actionable other then just being a giant popularity contest. It doesn't matter if it is North Korea, China, the US, Europe, wherever. Not to be self aggrandizing but I worked hard my whole life, I was in medical school to hopefully become an oncologist. Put myself on the track to do so. I was doing all the required things. Then I was the victim of crimes. *Everyone* I knew abandoned me. Family, "friends", whatever. How many people who do bad things are given second chances because they have friends? How many get third, fourth, fifth chances because of connections? I didn't ruin my first chance and my life is ruined. Forget getting a second chance I didn't really get my first.

This is to say I agree because I think many people on here got screwed similarly by the selfishness of the world. How many of you weren't given the time of day by society? How many of you are lonely? How many of you wish you had your first chance? How many of you wouldn't be here if society cared?

Ok this is just not true at all.

Normal is a very subjective term. If the world was more equal in regards to being able to equally choose life vs death than I don't think as many people would choose life. A lot of people grow up in horrible circumstances. Experience horrible things throughout life. Have to go through so much. Or they just don't enjoy life. Even if you have a healthy mind or body doesn't make life worth living. I think that this is just a really narrow minded view in the sense of assuming suicidality is born of abnormal circumstances..I just don't agree.

That being said to answer the question... this thread feels very weird like we all have views about life & death on here. Is there a particular reason you are calling out FuneralCry's views? Im aware that they comment on a lot of threads but I personally do not have a problem with it and I enjoy seeing their engagement. If someone isnt ok with it then say something but this thread is odd.

I do agree with some of FuneralCry point of view's Im not totally nihilistic but once you live through certain experiences (rape,human trafficking,abusive families etc etc) you see how common it is for people to have these experiences & that its just not talked about enough and that there isnt proper supports set up for people to actually live a life of ease & peace after experiencing these things.

Hell we have group homes, residential treatments here and Canada and every single one I went to was filled with shitty workers that had no business working in the field. They took things people did(myself included) personally and made it their job to make my experience and others horrible.

The last place I went to was a residential treatment for women that have experienced human trafficking and they tried to frame me as a kleptomaniac. (They said I moved someone's slippers and I literally didnt??) They didn't like that I was independent. They heard me puking everyday and NO ONE talked to me about it. I've never been the favorite and in this world just being autistic/ neurodivergent makes you a target

Go into the Autism subreddit and search "being disliked/hated" and see how many people have experiences of simply existing and being hated for it.
This world is fucked up. I dont believe its all doom and gloom but theres so much to fucking fix and depending on your own intersecting identities it can feel like constant battle. Even people born into accepting families and such still have hardtimes so.

Semi-Rant but yee that's my opinion on the subject.

It's the 21st century we can do brain surgery and numerous modern marvels. Yet someone comes into the hospital or wherever because they are having mental difficulties and no one gives a shit. In my experiences did people care no. Did they do their job sure. Therein lies the difference. In most other specialties in the US at least people cared and you could see them caring. Mental health though? Nope. I think there's a still stigma. Why aren't better basically here's some pills.

Same with autism. I think the irony with Autism is simply that people who are autistic generally understand the outside world better then the outside world understands them despite the deficits in learning the outside world. I think people with autism are generally disliked or hated from my own experience. Sure there may be the sure we'll do "x" wink wink for them to feel good about ourselves. Care nah. Generally we/they are bullied and then shunned by society and expected to cope. I think this is wrong and judging by the forums here it's costing people their lives. Like I said before how many people here didn't get their first chance?

 

[Dead Ghost]

No, but because I'm deterministic. We have such opposite views of existence that we invalidate each other, hehe. Everyone lives according to their own experiences and mine have nothing in common with their ideas (and the same must happen to him with regard to me).

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No, però perquè sóc determinista. Tenim una visió de l'existència tan oposada que ens inval·lidem mutuament, hehe. Cadascú viu segons les seves pròpies experiències i les meves no tenen res en comú amb les seves idees (i a ell mateix li deu passar el mateix respecte a mi).

 

[MeltingBrain]

Why do you think that lack of desire to live = psychological problems?

I should have used the word ordinary instead of normal .
For most people consciousness in a dead universe (at least as far as we know) is something very unique and quite enjoyable and like @foreversleep said we are biologically wired to be that way. I too find these reasons compelling with the added exception of unbearable chronic pain as a valid reason to get an out.

Who is to say this is the only correct set of beliefs ? No one, moral and ethical philosophy is subjective but if someone does believe that maximizing happiness is a good life goal then what I wrote above makes sense to me . If someone believes life itself is pointless then we have a fundamental but subjective difference of opinions (not facts).

I don't think a lack of desire to live is always a psychological/physical problem (FC is an example) but simply that for most cases it is (which I believe is a fact).

In order to assert this, you need to know the nature of man, how he appeared, how the human mind appeared, how various terms and concepts appeared, how this world appeared, what the universe is, and so on.
When it comes to the most complex philosophical questions (including the question of the nature of a particular person, the question of the mind of a particular person), then everything comes down only to theories

No one can be 100% sure what's going on in somebody's head but we can ask and observe human beings to try and understand why people believe what they believe. Psychology is based on that .

Ok this is just not true at all.

Normal is a very subjective term. If the world was more equal in regards to being able to equally choose life vs death than I don't think as many people would choose life. A lot of people grow up in horrible circumstances. Experience horrible things throughout life. Have to go through so much. Or they just don't enjoy life. Even if you have a healthy mind or body doesn't make life worth living. I think that this is just a really narrow minded view in the sense of assuming suicidality is born of abnormal circumstances..I just don't agree.

I should have used the word ordinary instead of normal .
We will have to agree to disagree .

Is there a particular reason you are calling out FuneralCry's views? Im aware that they comment on a lot of threads but I personally do not have a problem with it and I enjoy seeing their engagement. If someone isnt ok with it then say something but this thread is odd.

I am not calling her out . I disagree with her opinion on the topic, that's all .

Hell we have group homes, residential treatments here and Canada and every single one I went to was filled with shitty workers that had no business working in the field. They took things people did(myself included) personally and made it their job to make my experience and others horrible.

The last place I went to was a residential treatment for women that have experienced human trafficking and they tried to frame me as a kleptomaniac. (They said I moved someone's slippers and I literally didnt??) They didn't like that I was independent. They heard me puking everyday and NO ONE talked to me about it. I've never been the favorite and in this world just being autistic/ neurodivergent makes you a target

Go into the Autism subreddit and search "being disliked/hated" and see how many people have experiences of simply existing and being hated for it.
This world is fucked up. I dont believe its all doom and gloom but theres so much to fucking fix and depending on your own intersecting identities it can feel like constant battle. Even people born into accepting families and such still have hardtimes so.

Semi-Rant but yee that's my opinion on the subject.

So sorry you had to go through this. I can only imagine how it feels to wrongly be accused of something major . It sucks that people treat others differently just because they are different. There's definitely a lot to fix in peoples mentalities.

 

[The anhedonic one]

Funeral cry uses cold, hard logic in her views of existence and suicide as opposed to viewing things from an emotional perspective.
I regard this as a sign of positivity and strength.

 

[magician99]

I respect FuneralCry's opinion.

They seem like a smart and rational person to me.

 

[BoredomSeeker]

To be honest, I really dislike how extremely negative FC is. I get that we are on a suicide forum, and FC has undoubtedly gone through some shit, but not everyone lives a life of only suffering. There are plenty of people who are content with their existence and yet FC acts like even they must have a shit life. I understand where FC is coming from to an extent, as I used to believe everyone suffered as well, but some conversations I've had changed my mind.

I might be looking to CTB, but not everyone is.

 

[Aisley]

I wish people would stop singalling her out here. I see it's a positive thread, but it opens the doors to the negs, and she gets it more than anyone else. Really, really. It's unnerving to have people discuss you as though you weren't in the room. You could have said anti natalist, instead. I can't imagine her reading this in any state but that of discomfort.
This isn't high-roading, I swear. These posts just leave a bad taste in the back of my throat.
FC, you're a star! Hopefully you're too apathetic to be bothered.

 

[SpiderLink]

I was wondering, funeralcry's theology and understanding of existence is amazing, are there any other people who holds the same beliefs as funeralcry?

I appreciate funeralcrys insight. I can relate to a lot of her messages. I don't think existing is a bad thing, other people make it a bad thing. If the world was a better place, I think existing wouldn't be as bad. I feel it's more so humans to blame more than existence being the problem. I just find her responses r repetitive though but I love how empathetic she is!

 

[TheSpookyNameGuy]

Yes I'm utterly behind and in love with FuneralCry, I believe this is all pointless and can only lead to suffering, yea ice cream and a massive orgasm that has me spasming like i have epilepsy is great but fuck that shit. I don't want to eat or shit, or work.

I don't want to watch everyone die around me and see the earth becoming a pit, i don't care for all the old world knowledge, i might have 80 years of life if i cared for it why waste it?

Nah im checking out dudes, growing old and having kids are my worst 2 fears.

 

[StillBreathing]

Sickness of the mind, depression is much like sickness of the body. Some get better, some don't. If you are constantly sick you get stuck in a negative loop. Your mind gets weak and it will be impossible to make sense of life and all the great things about it. I think this forum is both great and horrible at the same time. For some it gives them a way to vent out and speak with like minded, but when you are always surrounded with negativity (suicide is a pretty gloomy topic imo) - it will influence the way you think.

We all have had happy moments in our lives which makes it worth living. Some people here don't really want to get better but take comfort in venting out or reading about other peoples experience.

 

[jonward55]

To be honest, I really dislike how extremely negative FC is. I get that we are on a suicide forum, and FC has undoubtedly gone through some shit, but not everyone lives a life of only suffering. There are plenty of people who are content with their existence and yet FC acts like even they must have a shit life. I understand where FC is coming from to an extent, as I used to believe everyone suffered as well, but some conversations I've had changed my mind.

I might be looking to CTB, but not everyone is.

I think looking at FC's post count, there is an obsession to comment on every single post on here, I find it really annoying and patronising but everyone to their own I guess.

I appreciate funeralcrys insight. I can relate to a lot of her messages. I don't think existing is a bad thing, other people make it a bad thing. If the world was a better place, I think existing wouldn't be as bad. I feel it's more so humans to blame more than existence being the problem. I just find her responses r repetitive though but I love how empathetic she is!

Very repetitive Indeed.

 

[blackwidow]

No.. And I don't see the fascination so many people have of her/him.. I used to read the posts but it's the same every day so I just skip it now. Just one more messed up person no different to any one else on here.. But ide imagine FC will still be here in 30 years time. Each to their own.

 

[Livingvsdying25]

I wish people would stop singalling her out here. I see it's a positive thread, but it opens the doors to the negs, and she gets it more than anyone else. Really, really. It's unnerving to have people discuss you as though you weren't in the room. You could have said anti natalist, instead. I can't imagine her reading this in any state but that of discomfort.
This isn't high-roading, I swear. These posts just leave a bad taste in the back of my throat.
FC, you're a star! Hopefully you're too apathetic to be bothered.

Thankk you this is what I was trying to say earlier. I'd feel so uncomfortable and disheartened if people were making threads about me.

Like whoever made this post could've just Pm'd FuneralCry... or even phrased it in a way that wasn't particularly naming someone like this.



Upon further thought:
Im going to be reporting this thread to be closed bc I think its gone beyond just discussing FuneralCry's opinions/views and criticizing them. This isn't ok and not the purpose of this forum. Were all on here reasons already and probs don't have the best or best things in life. There's no need to add to the negativity.

If y'all have a problem message em.personally but threads like this are beyond inappropriate imo

 

[Pluto]

Someone did a scale once- a kind of: Where do you lie on the pro-life through to pro-choice through to pro-death point of view type of thing... I just can't seem to find it now though...

You have a good memory.

 

[cami]

not completely. i think people can find recovery and live fulfilling lives.
but at the base root, then yes existence is based in suffering. it would be easier if we didn't exist, but as we do people can still be happy.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

I really don't see much reason for life in this god-forsaken place we call earth, either, but I'm nowhere near the extreme of FC's views. I think it just becomes dangerous when we try to use our views of the world as a world-wide blanket that covers all life and existence. The only person I can speak for is my myself and I really have a hard time reconciling the idea that just because my life sucks and isn't worth living that all life isn't worth living. There are happy people in this world who have great lives. Sure, they experience suffering, too, but they have enough happiness in their lives, and usually enough support, to get them through the hard times. Not everyone has that. If a person is truly pro-choice, then they should understand that everyone has the right to make their own decisions about whether to CTB or not.

 

[offbalance]

I agree with the other poster in here in being deterministic about this. I have had experiences and seen things that have given me pleasure, something FC seems to have not had much of in her life judging by the content of her posts. I just feel like someone who has experienced some good things would not write in such an absolutist manner to go as far to say there's nothing good in existing.
We are all logical to our own selves