She stated her reasoning was work. Lots of people kill themselves over work. Does that not underscore how toxic an environment work has become these days? It might be worth addressing that.
I understand the grief involved in this video, and I do have sympathy for how painful this must be. However, so many statements are objectively false. As well as make unfounded inferences, that can't even be meaningfully proven.
Yet at the same time, this interview touches on something very true. People are being badly let down in the first place. It is one thing to say there is hope but when the institutions that are meant to provide that hope don't, what hope is there? If there is hope for every veteran as was stated, then why are they on the street in the first place? Veterans have been alive quite sometime now and it is still a problem! Especially as more are coming back with broken minds and getting minimal help for it.
Denying societal structural problems and placing the blame elsewhere is not a method of addressing the reasons why. I feel this forum is more of a symptom than a cause. It exists because those causes exist and are not meaningfully reduced, so people are left in pain and that can feel eternal and lonely.
In her case, work felt like slavery, a common sentiment. However, that has no bearing on this site as she was not working here. All that was obtained from here was maybe knowledge. That same knowledge though exists all over, in plenty of mainstream places as well. Knowledge by itself is just that, people choose what they do with it.
If this were a gardening forum and a person came here interested in planting daffodils. Got knowledge on daffodils, and then went on to plant daffodils. Was it the knowledge surrounding daffodils gained that ensured the person would plant them? Or would they have planted them anyway as that was the reason for coming to a gardening forum? If it was suggested they planted Begonias instead and they didn't, is that the fault of the gardening forum or a choice? Does a gardening forum have any power to force a person to plant one thing over another?
She was 25, although I am aware parents never get over viewing their children as their babies. Regardless that is an adult. Adult enough to drink and fight in wars. No idea what may have transpired in PM. In that case, it is down to individuals and not the site as a whole. As mods can't even look in there unless messages are flagged. That is if I am understanding their limits correctly?
I am also curious if this incident occurred while the recovery section was up? If so, there are references to standard avenues of help in there. Maybe she read that and chose to disregard it? No one can know. That though is choice, not the site taking their daughter. She also made the choice not to speak to them about any of this during the lead-up, or seek external help. Another choice, that would have to have been made both on and off the site.
I am sure if she had posted more about her work situation people here would have rightly enquired if they could maybe get work elsewhere that did not feel so toxic? I have seen that exact thing play out many times on this forum. Suggestions to members to escape what is hurting them before enacting suicide seems a default response in most cases. However, it is still down to personal choice and that is respected.
I will agree that people who do try and bring up positive outlets on the site get denigrated for it. It was a bit of a fight to even get the recovery section added. But there are probably plenty of people here who are at the end of their sickness journey, options exhausted, hurt by the very institutions that are meant to help. My own liver is destroyed from the very medication that is designed to help. Others have permanent side effects or have suffered abhorrent treatment of being drugged and ignored or mistreated. Of course, there is hate expressed on the forum. It is fairly standard to hate what causes you hurt.
Plenty though have moved on and found this site helped them get to that point of returning to hopefully something better. Instead of maybe being impulsive or not trying other avenues first. There are a multitude of posts even stating that. Radical acceptance can take the pressure off, making it easier to work through options in a non-judgemental manner. Compassion certainly helps. They too are given well wishes. Hardly a den of sadists then where everyone is encouraged to die. As you get well wishes and emoji's for living or finding a good therapist as well...
There was a survey done on this site that is telling. The survey asked. Do you believe suicidal people are given proper help by society? 95.7% said no.
That right there is what the focus should be on. We don't make people who complain of heart pain and their left arm going numb wait eight months. Or tell them it is a phase, or you don't qualify yet because you have yet to have your heart attack. Plenty of suicidal individuals do engage with help and actively want it, but wind up disappointed in just how slow and flawed that help is. Something even the person in the end half of the video drew attention to. Would it not be better to overhaul that? Put the focus there instead of driving the people who are in pain more underground? Would it not also be worth probing the work environment that provoked such hatred as to kill themselves over it? Why is that not mainstream news as well?
Especially as in the survey 34.1% said work situation impacts their suicidal state. That is damning in of itself.
None of these problems is improved by attempting to censor knowledge. Which is an improbable task in the first place. Medical journals exist for a start, as do autopsy reports, and chemistry books, even Wikipedia. Attempting to shut down the ability for people to congregate and communicate, which is an enshrined right, has wider ramifications than a personal tragedy or even suicide. People in similar states seek each other out and will share knowledge regardless.
At the same time, the accusations being made against the family is equally disheartening. Some here are doing the same as they are, trying to draw inferences to suit their own narrative for personal reasons. No wonder they view us as sadistic people. You don't know them, and they don't know us, that much is evident.
