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IsThisTheEnd?

Mange
Aug 6, 2020
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How does the reference procedure really work? they write or ring or what?

lots of low end supermarket jobs etc don't really care.
 
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How does the reference procedure really work? they write or ring or what?

lots of low end supermarket jobs etc don't really care.

Well, I thought I would give the FAKE reference professionals a try but they can't provide a registered company in the UK with a valid company e-mail address. Even if HR doesn't contract out their checking service it takes a few minutes to check if a company is valid and operational. https://www.gov.uk/get-information-about-a-company. One sent me a website a 10-year-old child could have designed and I checked it and it was dissolved in 2015 so I would have been found out and CV in the bin, money, time, and effort wasted. Lucky I parted with no money as I wanted proof first.

Usually, you list the e-mail and telephone number to verify if you worked with them, if they call the person they can pick up on the tone of their voice or say something terrible as it's hard to prove as it took place over the telephone.

I have just deleted the last company I have 5 years missing but I have a recent security DBS certificate so fingers crossed.

Supermarkets are very careful and check your references and carry out criminal record checks as you deal with people's food and there have been workers trying to extort money by blackmail placing glass and other objects in baby food.

Cheers

Geo
 
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Yes. Where i live, the aspect of references is a long gone ritual of the hiring process. Since being laid off I have had interviews and I asked if they wanted references and all of the different companies that I have interviewed with said NO. Walter
 
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The trouble with working in London UK, they always used to say list your reference from your last employer with telephone number and e-mail but things have changed, they google your company and telephone the HR dept and ask about you and say if it's not convenient, can you call me back and then have a long conversation about you and judge if you were good or average as they can't say bad but give big hints, so they won't touch you with a barge pole, lol

Cheers

Geo
 
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@everydayiloveyou Are you in the US? I'm also going to be studying computer science (Programming) and I'm kind of nervous about it. I have no prior experience- I heard some students say the program for fun...

Did your school help you find a job? Like yourself I will be going to community college. I'm really worried about the whole math aspect of it.

You made great points about always asking questions at the end of the interview. This is a big one and I don't think everyone does this.

Staying in a job is also good... I've had jobs I was unhappy with but tried to at least get a decent time in so I didn't look like I hopped around too much. Especially if you have gaps in employment.
 
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@everydayiloveyou Are you in the US? I'm also going to be studying computer science (Programming) and I'm kind of nervous about it. I have no prior experience- I heard some students say the program for fun...

Did your school help you find a job? Like yourself I will be going to community college. I'm really worried about the whole math aspect of it.

You made great points about always asking questions at the end of the interview. This is a big one and I don't think everyone does this.

Staying in a job is also good... I've had jobs I was unhappy with but tried to at least get a decent time in so I didn't look like I hopped around too much. Especially if you have gaps in employment.
Hey! I was going to PM you but maybe there are lurkers with similar questions!

Yes I'm in the USA, in the east coast specifically. I also had no prior experience group before I got to college, you're not alone in that! My only experience with CS was basic HTML on blogging sites and forums.

My schools did not help me find a job. Unless you go to a well-funded or respected community college, they won't be able to do much for you when it comes to job-hunting, because they simply don't have the alumni connections that a university would have. Even at a university, they don't hold your hand much. The main benefits come from name recognition and the huge job fairs they hold, especially at state schools. The job boards and postings your school has might be useful, but my community college had very low-growth jobs (IT help desk, field tech, cell phone sales etc) vs. my current state school which has more actual engineering internships on their job board.

As for the math, you will almost never use Calculus, Linear Algebra, or anything like that at work, unless you go into very technical subfields of CS like machine learning or graphics, but you need grad school for most jobs in those fields so don't worry about that. Focus hard during Discrete though! The problem-solving skills you use in that course will be so useful. Stuff like languages, automata, and Boolean algebra are gonna pop up often. You also need to have decent logic skills. Get comfortable with dissecting a problem and coming up with ways to pinpoint what's wrong on your own.

I recommend starting with math from the very basics. I've always had trouble with computational math because some of my foundational algebra skills were super weak. What helped me prepare for college math was doing Khan Academy starting from like 5th grade math, testing out of what I knew, and then going from there. On Coursera, Arizona State University has a great self-guided course for math. It will tell you exacrly what you need to review in order to prepare for college-level math.

The important thing with higher ed is that you stick with it. Try not to take breaks from school if you can afford it, I know it's hard and expensive but the minute you stop school, you open yourself up to distraction. Especially if you work a tedious job like manual labor, retail, or service in order to cover tuition. Also since you're also on SS, I'm gonna assume you deal with depression or another mental illness, and I know how it is when you're struggling with life and need to put aside school. But really try to stick with it, use your school's counselling center and tutoring services. School can give you a routine, goals, and purpose. That's really important when you're dealing with suicidality especially. Plus at the end of it all, you'll have that piece of paper that will open you up to a lot of opportunities. Even if you don't stick with CS, just having a degree will open you up to a bunch of higher paying jobs, even in industries like service/retail/labor/sales! Corporate HRs just love to see "Bachelor's" on a resume even if the job doesn't need one.
 
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@everydayiloveyou Are you in the US? I'm also going to be studying computer science (Programming) and I'm kind of nervous about it. I have no prior experience- I heard some students say the program for fun...

Did your school help you find a job? Like yourself I will be going to community college. I'm really worried about the whole math aspect of it.

You made great points about always asking questions at the end of the interview. This is a big one and I don't think everyone does this.

Staying in a job is also good... I've had jobs I was unhappy with but tried to at least get a decent time in so I didn't look like I hopped around too much. Especially if you have gaps in employment.
HI! After reading your post, I feel that you will be awesome in computer science! I am 65 years young, I went to a community college when I was 24 and got my AA degree. I then transferred and got my B.S. degree in Business Admin,, I also got minors in calculus, main frame programming. I was a nervous wreck when I started community college, heck I had been out for 6 years from high school. The 1st years was interesting ( difficult) to some degree but I worked hard and got my 4 year. Whether college helped with a job or not, somewhat because it opened a few doors that might not have, but overall, I got my 4 year for personal development. YOU will do great! Case in point, you are worried about math, that shows that you really want it and are thinking of how to achieve and conquer math. I 100% believe in you, global family member and send you sincere wishes upon starting college that you will be great!! Walter
 
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I like the course idea a lot. I feel like I'm not really good with people one on one but I've always been a good student. Thanks a lot!

That's what it seems like :( But I hope you have better luck!

True, that's an option. I love baking and I have some friends and family that enjoy my treats, but I guess I feel kind of sleazy reaching out to them about buying stuff from me that usually I just give to them, you know? But, self-employment in general is not a bad idea. Thanks :)

I'm fine with whatever at the moment since I have no idea what I want to do long term. What kind of jobs have you gotten?
I loved baking and making things and finally managed to land my dream job before I fell ill - I became a chef!

You'd be surprised where a keen attitude and a willingness to learn can get you! If you go in with the right mindset, many companies don't really worry about references and will give you a chance (especially if it means that they can pay you lower than a more experienced person to start with!).

Then if you put the time and effort in, they may put you forward for training, and once they make that investment it's less likely that they'll get rid of you in future.

I've blagged my way into so many different jobs with that keen attitude, despite having huge gaps in my history and suffering with mental health issues for a time back in the day. The main thing is to present a positive slant when talking to them so that it becomes contagious. The reverse is just as effective - go in thinking it's a waste of time and that they're not going to bother with you and it'll come to pass.

If they mention a negative, just spin it into a positive; no experience? No ingrained bad habits! Not yet trained? I'm a blank canvas upon which you can imprint your company ethos! Plus I'm a fast learner! No I can't drive but I can walk faster than anyone I know!

A little bit of self belief mixed with humility and a willingness to take on new information and to work hard is all you really need to get going.

N if you get turned down by a snooty company who puts too much stock in pieces of paper and looks you up and down and obviously judges you on your appearance rather than your attitude? Good riddance, you didn't wanna work there anyways (my several kissed frogs before my job Prince was found lol)! I was once judged purely on my bloody shoes, another time my trousers... if they start picking at minor things like that it's usually a sign that it's gonna be hell to work there and I've cut interviews short because of it lol I'm sorry but you're obviously a C U Next Tuesday, you'd definitely make my life hell just for lols, so see ya never, bitchface :pfff: I mean only after learning that stuff the hard way but still...

There's a perfect little niche just waiting for you, you've just got to find it :happy:

Good luck! :heart:
 
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HI! After reading your post, I feel that you will be awesome in computer science! I am 65 years young, I went to a community college when I was 24 and got my AA degree. I then transferred and got my B.S. degree in Business Admin,, I also got minors in calculus, main frame programming. I was a nervous wreck when I started community college, heck I had been out for 6 years from high school. The 1st years was interesting ( difficult) to some degree but I worked hard and got my 4 year. Whether college helped with a job or not, somewhat because it opened a few doors that might not have, but overall, I got my 4 year for personal development. YOU will do great! Case in point, you are worried about math, that shows that you really want it and are thinking of how to achieve and conquer math. I 100% believe in you, global family member and send you sincere wishes upon starting college that you will be great!! Walter

Hi, thank you for your support. I have one more math class to take I believe. I have all my basics done besides that and start the core classes in Fall.

I'm definitely not going to conquer math though! : )

It's always been a really weak subject for me and I just don't understand it. But it's nice to hear that there is not too much math involved in real life experiences.
Hey! I was going to PM you but maybe there are lurkers with similar questions!

Yes I'm in the USA, in the east coast specifically. I also had no prior experience group before I got to college, you're not alone in that! My only experience with CS was basic HTML on blogging sites and forums.

My schools did not help me find a job. Unless you go to a well-funded or respected community college, they won't be able to do much for you when it comes to job-hunting, because they simply don't have the alumni connections that a university would have. Even at a university, they don't hold your hand much. The main benefits come from name recognition and the huge job fairs they hold, especially at state schools. The job boards and postings your school has might be useful, but my community college had very low-growth jobs (IT help desk, field tech, cell phone sales etc) vs. my current state school which has more actual engineering internships on their job board.

As for the math, you will almost never use Calculus, Linear Algebra, or anything like that at work, unless you go into very technical subfields of CS like machine learning or graphics, but you need grad school for most jobs in those fields so don't worry about that. Focus hard during Discrete though! The problem-solving skills you use in that course will be so useful. Stuff like languages, automata, and Boolean algebra are gonna pop up often. You also need to have decent logic skills. Get comfortable with dissecting a problem and coming up with ways to pinpoint what's wrong on your own.

I recommend starting with math from the very basics. I've always had trouble with computational math because some of my foundational algebra skills were super weak. What helped me prepare for college math was doing Khan Academy starting from like 5th grade math, testing out of what I knew, and then going from there. On Coursera, Arizona State University has a great self-guided course for math. It will tell you exacrly what you need to review in order to prepare for college-level math.

The important thing with higher ed is that you stick with it. Try not to take breaks from school if you can afford it, I know it's hard and expensive but the minute you stop school, you open yourself up to distraction. Especially if you work a tedious job like manual labor, retail, or service in order to cover tuition. Also since you're also on SS, I'm gonna assume you deal with depression or another mental illness, and I know how it is when you're struggling with life and need to put aside school. But really try to stick with it, use your school's counselling center and tutoring services. School can give you a routine, goals, and purpose. That's really important when you're dealing with suicidality especially. Plus at the end of it all, you'll have that piece of paper that will open you up to a lot of opportunities. Even if you don't stick with CS, just having a degree will open you up to a bunch of higher paying jobs, even in industries like service/retail/labor/sales! Corporate HRs just love to see "Bachelor's" on a resume even if the job doesn't need one.

My school does have a internship type thing once you are almost done here locally. I believe a lot of people get jobs that way- ideally I was hoping for something elsewhere or out of state.

This is my second year and last year I even did summer classes. This year I am not doing summer because they aren't offering what I need, and kind of wanted a break for mental health stuff. But not going to take long breaks for sure. I do work retail like you said- and want to get out of that very badly lol.

This question is kind of random.. and I assume you have a CS job now- do you know how the industry feels about body mods/tattoos? I am on the west coast so it probably is different but I've always wondered about it.
 
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Hi, thank you for your support. I have one more math class to take I believe. I have all my basics done besides that and start the core classes in Fall.

I'm definitely not going to conquer math though! : )

It's always been a really weak subject for me and I just don't understand it. But it's nice to hear that there is not too much math involved in real life experiences.


My school does have a internship type thing once you are almost done here locally. I believe a lot of people get jobs that way- ideally I was hoping for something elsewhere or out of state.

This is my second year and last year I even did summer classes. This year I am not doing summer because they aren't offering what I need, and kind of wanted a break for mental health stuff. But not going to take long breaks for sure. I do work retail like you said- and want to get out of that very badly lol.

This question is kind of random.. and I assume you have a CS job now- do you know how the industry feels about body mods/tattoos? I am on the west coast so it probably is different but I've always wondered about it.

Oh it's great that your school offers that! I really wish mine did something like that so that I could've left retail earlier. Try applying to some places out-of-state, if you can't land anything then you'll have your school's internship program to fall back on. Sophmore year is a great time to start applying especially if you've already taken data structures! But enjoy your time off for mental health, it's so important to dedicate that time to yourself so that you can be focused during the semester.

I've never been out west but I hear it's much more liberal than the east coast. Still, over here it seems like only very old-school banks, healthcare, and finance companies would care about that sort of thing, and probably only for their more social, public-facing positions like sales and HR. In my experience, tattoo sleeves and heavily pierced ears/a septum or nostril are so common that most people will compliment them if anything.

If an employer gives you a hard time about it, they'd be in the minority for sure, especially in tech.
 
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Oh it's great that your school offers that! I really wish mine did something like that so that I could've left retail earlier. Try applying to some places out-of-state, if you can't land anything then you'll have your school's internship program to fall back on. Sophmore year is a great time to start applying especially if you've already taken data structures! But enjoy your time off for mental health, it's so important to dedicate that time to yourself so that you can be focused during the semester.

I've never been out west but I hear it's much more liberal than the east coast. Still, over here it seems like only very old-school banks, healthcare, and finance companies would care about that sort of thing, and probably only for their more social, public-facing positions like sales and HR. In my experience, tattoo sleeves and heavily pierced ears/a septum or nostril are so common that most people will compliment them if anything.

If an employer gives you a hard time about it, they'd be in the minority for sure, especially in tech.

Thanks for the reply- you've definitely given me some good information in this thread.

Also big congrats on leaving retail, that's awesome : )

 
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going to try one last time to get my life together. the problem is, I haven't had a job for a whole year since I dropped out of college, and the job that I was working at while in school. I didn't exactly part with well...I just stopped going to work cause I was planning to ctb, but when I chickened out I never went back. stupid, I know. And I have the absolute worst social anxiety when it comes to interviews too.

any advice? thanks for reading.
You're either going to have to suck it up and enroll back in to college or suck it up and go in to fast food. Either way, you eventually need to work. Can you afford therapy or meds? It seems like your best bet on the track to improval.
 
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Depends on the job and your situation.
Not many people can say their resume is not at least exaggerated.
Having someone write a "graphic" reference isn't unheard of
 
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IsThisTheEnd?

Mange
Aug 6, 2020
575
anyone know of any of these companies for buying fake references in the UK? or have any suggestions.

to be honest I never really worry and have gone through 100s of shite retail and warehouse jobs by writing anything but I'd like to try care work and suspect there going to want to a check-able reference.
 

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