Anyone else decided to reproduce, but not because they don't want kids?

[danlippers67]

I decided about 2 years ago that even if I stop being suicidal, I'm never going to reproduce. In an alternate universe where I was happy, I would love to have 5 or 6 kids (so long as my wife does too), but by reproducing I'd be bringing children into a world where I'm dooming them to be horrendously bullied in school. My entire family is extremely short, and two of my siblings have a skin condition that they inherited from my mother that causes them to have premature acne (my little brother even started getting it at around 4). The fact that it's in my family means I'm carrying the genes and so have an elevated change of giving birth to kids with the condition.

Does anyone else feel somewhat similar to this?

 

[new.solution1]

I can't make sense of your title, but I have felt this way.

 

[PrawnCocktail]

I think reproducing is unethical regardless of health or perceived flaws.

 

[jimmy7754]

Nobody is getting Caucasian babies from me.

 

[Superdeterminist]

I enjoy the idea of a family because there's something which I find beautiful about it, but it seems that really isn't in the cards because I'm not at all prepared for it financially. I refuse to bring children into poverty, that's cruelty. I don't worry so much about them suffering, because really they could end up being one of those anti-choice personalities, there's no way to predict how they would end up experiencing life; maybe they would suffer a lot like me, or maybe they would be hyper-optimists who barely register suffering, it seems to be a total roulette. But I absolutely draw the line at poverty. I think the most important things to guarantee a child are financial comfort, and a right to die (we need to fucking work on this, badly).

I feel extremely terrible when I see other people starting families knowing it's not really an option for me. Another reason to check out.

 

[danlippers67]

I think reproducing is unethical regardless of health or perceived flaws.

I do think life can be a gift if you have the right parents

 

[inanimate]

use to want kids before I descended so deep. would feel so guilty now if I had kids on accident, surely will never intentionally have kids now

 

[Death is beautiful]

Even if you have good genes, having children is a very stupid idea, I will never have children and I am proud of it

 

[new.solution1]

Even if you have good genes, having children is a very stupid idea, I will never have children and I am proud of it

Why? Good genes could mean the ability to deal with this world well.

 

[Death is beautiful]

Why? Good genes could mean the ability to deal with this world well.

It's still not a reason to have children, there's a lot of shit in this world, this whole world is shit, what if my child gets cancer? what if he gets into an accident and remains paralyzed for the rest of his life. No, this world is full of shit to bring people here

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Genes aren't as much of a factor to me because it's possible that in the near future we will be able to use CRISPR gene editing technology or even full-on designer babies to filter out negative genetic traits although doing so can come with its own host of ethical dilemmas.

I do identify with the title of this thread though. I'm a slave to my base instincts and desires meaning even if I'm unable to financially support them or too emotionally immature to raise them, my lizard brain doesn't care and will probably attempt to reproduce given the opportunity to anyway.

I've speculated before that my future child or children must be time travelers who have purposefully sabotaged my life in ways that would prevent their being born. If this is true though then I'm really quite proud of them. That's one reason why I'm deciding to kill myself later this year, for their sakes. I'm sorry, children.

 

[freedompass]

use to want kids before I descended so deep. would feel so guilty now if I had kids on accident, surely will never intentionally have kids now

This is exactly what happened to me. I reproduced by accident, entirely due to psychotic illness and you are so right. The guilt is horrible. I haven't even been able to maintain a facade with my now adult son that it was on any level a choice I would have made in my right mind. He essentially owes his existence and the circumstances of his upbringing entirely to the misfortune of having me as his mother. How is he now? Well, pretty pissed off and unhappy for the most part as far as I can tell. Tell me prolifers. How does any of that make sense? Reproducing has caused me AND my offspring a lot of misery and pain.

I've been binge watching the YouTube channel Soft White Underbelly. I find it fascinating. Women from the most horrific backgrounds full of inconceivable levels of abuse seem to pop out an average of 3 kids by their early 20's. Abortion seems to many a dirty word. I'm honestly not trying to judge these women but I do judge a sick society that supports this cycle of suffering. People will wriggle around and produce all kinds of platitudinous bs to justify the status quo.

If I had known then what I know now, and if I had been properly educated and prepared for what this life would entail? I'd have unhesitatingly had myself sterilised in my teens. Naturally no doctor would agree to that. There is a supposedly dystopian novel called The Giver by Lois Lowry. It was actually banned in many American schools. But the society she portrays would be a fantastic means of damage limitation that truly highlights the utter barbarism of the current system. I mean. I hate having a 'meat suit' for all kinds of reasons. But if we have to have one? Give me Lois Lowry's or even Aldous Huxley's 'dystopia' in Brave New World, any day of the week! Those are attainable scenarios in the modern world too! But no. Let's glory in 'holy' suffering all the while lying through our teeth to ourselves and others that 'all is for the best in the best of all possible worlds', right?

Sorry for veering slightly off topic there haha. Tl/dr. Everyone on here who doesn't want to 'reproduce and regret'? You are right.

 

[danlippers67]

This is exactly what happened to me. I reproduced by accident, entirely due to psychotic illness and you are so right. The guilt is horrible. I haven't even been able to maintain a facade with my now adult son that it was on any level a choice I would have made in my right mind. He essentially owes his existence and the circumstances of his upbringing entirely to the misfortune of having me as his mother. How is he now? Well, pretty pissed off and unhappy for the most part as far as I can tell. Tell me prolifers. How does any of that make sense? Reproducing has caused me AND my offspring a lot of misery and pain.

I've been binge watching the YouTube channel Soft White Underbelly. I find it fascinating. Women from the most horrific backgrounds full of inconceivable levels of abuse seem to pop out an average of 3 kids by their early 20's. Abortion seems to many a dirty word. I'm honestly not trying to judge these women but I do judge a sick society that supports this cycle of suffering. People will wriggle around and produce all kinds of platitudinous bs to justify the status quo.

If I had known then what I know now, and if I had been properly educated and prepared for what this life would entail? I'd have unhesitatingly had myself sterilised in my teens. Naturally no doctor would agree to that. There is a supposedly dystopian novel called The Giver by Lois Lowry. It was actually banned in many American schools. But the society she portrays would be a fantastic means of damage limitation that truly highlights the utter barbarism of the current system. I mean. I hate having a 'meat suit' for all kinds of reasons. But if we have to have one? Give me Lois Lowry's or even Aldous Huxley's 'dystopia' in Brave New World, any day of the week! Those are attainable scenarios in the modern world too! But no. Let's glory in 'holy' suffering all the while lying through our teeth to ourselves and others that 'all is for the best in the best of all possible worlds', right?

Sorry for veering slightly off topic there haha. Tl/dr. Everyone on here who doesn't want to 'reproduce and regret'? You are right.

I'm sorry to hear about your story. What's your CTB method? I hope you find peace

 

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[Foresight]

I'm an antinatalist and my personal fleeting happiness doesn't change that.