Anybody else is afraid that suicide may become impossible?

[Nnana]

Let me explain. Science is evolving so fast that it could make suicide become near impossible or impossible in the future. That's so scary, that this idea is driving me crazy everyday. Just imagine the ways that it could happen. I read a post on reddit other day where a guy said that he was afraid that in the future it could become impossible to commit suicide because you could get an implant under your skin that could detect your vital signs and if it noticed that you are dying it would call an ambulance, preventing suicide. Then I read an article elsewhere, that in the future, depressed people would have an implant in their brains, that would send electrical pulse to the brain to prevent them commit suicide out of impulse. Then I read another article where scientists could 'revive' the brains of decapitated dead pigs. Today we still can escape life but Imagine how people could be prevented to suicide in the future, either by chip, implant or even by being brought from the dead. This makes me so terrified that I feel like ctb asap. Either society reaches enlightenment or they'll think they have the right to trap us here. The bad thing is that we haven't and probably won't abolish human suffering so soon and society can't accept that the suicidal person often suffers terribly with problems that have no solution, and prolonging life only prolongs the agony. So we'll be trapped suffering, that'd be hell. I'm getting obsessed with that. What people here think about this?

 

[mesohappy]

I don't think or worry about that to much..Im more worried of trying and failing and ending up brain damaged or disfigured and worse off than I was.

 

[TimeToBiteTheDust]

I'm more motivated to ctb as days pass. I think when the time comes I won't give a shit about life. I'm afraid of failing but when the time comes and there isn't other choice I'll do it

 

[Nnana]

I don't think or worry about that to much..Im more worried of trying and failing and ending up brain damaged or disfigured and worse off than I was.

Sure, the issue is I don't think I will be able to to ctb as soon, If even in 10 years. I feel sorry for future humans too.

 

[Naysha]

That pig story was really overexaggerated and hyped by media, don't even think about that one.

 

[waterbottleman]

Sounds like a bunch of hypotheticals. No one can predict how the future will turn.

I think some people like to come up with these doom day/dystopia scenarios because it makes life seem more interesting and exciting than the mediocre and boring lives most of us follow.

However instead of preventing people from committing suicide how about you just prevent people from suffering to begin with? Alter people's brain chemicals in a way that they never even hit rock bottom to the point that they want to ctb.

 

[HereToday]

If that vital signs chip was a thing, why would people get it? Let alone every single person? Would the government force us? Imagine the riots if that happened, any government like that wouldn't last long.
More to the point, why would the government give a fuck if some random person wants to die? I doubt I'm important enough for the government to want to force me to stay alive at any cost. In reality theyre more likely to let you go to weed out the 'weak' from the gene pool.
And even if everyone did get them, I'm sure people would find a way to remove them.

Those ideas are interesting movie ideas, but will never happen in real life. And no I don't worry about it, I'll be long gone by the time the technology to do that even becomes available

 

[Flippy]

I would imagine that if my mind was absolutely made up, I would take a moment before hand to dig any implants out of my body that could alert emergency services. Having said that they would have to tie me down long enough to inject the thing in the first place and that ain't gonna be easy, I'm like a ferrel cat in those situations!

 

[Wren]

While I have some concerns regarding what's been said in posts above, it's sounds more like an episode of Black Mirror rather than possible future. Chipping everyone is not a viable form of control for many reasons and similar Matrix-like scenarios are too complex to sustain.

What I think is much more likely is
1) Tighter regulations on online purchases of chemicals and mandatory license, preventing anyone from buying a substance intended for industrial or crafting use, and
2) Monitoring of your online presence. I'm sure some agencies are scanning forums like this one for keywords and patterns, so it seems likely that in the near future some AI will figure out your plan and will notify someone that you might be in danger.

But, my jaded rationale thinks that nobody really cares about rising suicide count enough to prevent or regulate it en masse. For every person who caught the bus, thousands are still happily sitting on the station.

 

[HopeDiesLast]

Let me explain. Science is evolving so fast that it could make suicide become near impossible or impossible in the future. That's so scary, that this idea is driving me crazy everyday. Just imagine the ways that it could happen. I read a post on reddit other day where a guy said that he was afraid that in the future it could become impossible to commit suicide because you could get an implant under your skin that could detect your vital signs and if it noticed that you are dying it would call an ambulance, preventing suicide. Then I read an article elsewhere, that in the future, depressed people would have an implant in their brains, that would send electrical pulse to the brain to prevent them commit suicide out of impulse. Then I read another article where scientists could 'revive' the brains of decapitated dead pigs. Today we still can escape life but Imagine how people could be prevented to suicide in the future, either by chip, implant or even by being brought from the dead. This makes me so terrified that I feel like ctb asap. Either society reaches enlightenment or they'll think they have the right to trap us here. The bad thing is that we haven't and probably won't abolish human suffering so soon and society can't accept that the suicidal person often suffers terribly with problems that have no solution, and prolonging life only prolongs the agony. So we'll be trapped suffering, that'd be hell. I'm getting obsessed with that. What people here think about this?

In all honesty, you should probably stop reading all this fear-mongering crap from questionable sources.

 

[BabyYoda]

In all honesty, you should probably stop reading all this fear-mongering crap from questionable sources.

Phew, I was paranoid as well.

 

[HopeDiesLast]

Aside from the fact that none of this will ever happen...how are they going to prevent someone from jumping to their death? The "implant" is going to call emergency services so they can re-assemble all the shattered bones and organs and revive the person?

 

[Flippy]

Aside from the fact that none of this will ever happen...how are they going to prevent someone from jumping to their death? The "implant" is going to call emergency services so they can re-assemble all the shattered bones and organs and revive the person?

Yes you're quite right....for now.....MMMHAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAHAHA!

 

[Diceroller90]

If that vital signs chip was a thing, why would people get it? Let alone every single person? Would the government force us? Imagine the riots if that happened, any government like that wouldn't last long.
More to the point, why would the government give a fuck if some random person wants to die? I doubt I'm important enough for the government to want to force me to stay alive at any cost. In reality theyre more likely to let you go to weed out the 'weak' from the gene pool.
And even if everyone did get them, I'm sure people would find a way to remove them.

Those ideas are interesting movie ideas, but will never happen in real life. And no I don't worry about it, I'll be long gone by the time the technology to do that even becomes available

On that note, it would have unintentional consequences. A living person uses a lot of resources and unless we have a matter replicator, terraforming, and casual interstellar travel invented along with those chips, that would lead to the utter collapse of civilization.

 

[ThatIsTheQuestion]

Yes, and Jeff Bezos, Peter Thiel and Elon Musk genuinely believe nanobots will make (rich) human beings immortal within the next 20 years. These stories are built 100% on the wet dreams of middle-school sci-fi nerds. None of it is actually going to happen. Something else will, but whatever it is, we won't see it coming.

 

[mathieu]

That is fucking terrifying!

 

[porfin1234]

If that were even possible I would hopefully be gone by then

 

[_Minsk]

that wont happen.. i think humans are not that dumb to allow mass implant people, imagine the cost and our limited amount of resources, its easier to spy on electronics..

 

[Hopeindeath!]

Microsoft is one of the founding partners of the ID2020 Alliance which is working to give everyone globally a digital ID. I think it is entirely possible that people will have microchip implants. I wouldn't get one though.

 

[Nnana]

If that vital signs chip was a thing, why would people get it? Let alone every single person? Would the government force us? Imagine the riots if that happened, any government like that wouldn't last long.
More to the point, why would the government give a fuck if some random person wants to die? I doubt I'm important enough for the government to want to force me to stay alive at any cost. In reality theyre more likely to let you go to weed out the 'weak' from the gene pool.
And even if everyone did get them, I'm sure people would find a way to remove them.

Those ideas are interesting movie ideas, but will never happen in real life. And no I don't worry about it, I'll be long gone by the time the technology to do that even becomes available

In sweden people are already getting voluntarily microchipped to replace cash. In a future, it could have replace other functions like verifying identity or GPS monitoring. Plus companies could start implanting their employees too. It's not that people would be forced by government to get an implant. But people would end up being "forced", as if you don't get an implant, you won't be able to pay for stuff, getting identified or even getting a job.

 

[BipolarExpat]

that wont happen.. i think humans are not that dumb to allow mass implant people, imagine the cost and our limited amount of resources, its easier to spy on electronics..

Sorry I disagree...humans are certainly that dumb. And unfortunately (esp. for technophobes) the costs are minimal.

In sweden people are already getting voluntarily microchipped to replace cash. In a future, it could have replace other functions like verifying identity or GPS monitoring. Plus companies could start implanting their employees too. It's not that people would be forced by government to get an implant. But people would end up being "forced", as if you don't get an implant, you won't be able to pay for stuff, getting identified or even getting a job.

This ^ Couldn't agree more.

It will start out as "hip," "cool" and then become mainstream....much like having a smartphone, twitter/instagram account.
Then, certain companies will begin offering it (see attch. above) soon enough expecting it and finally graduating to requiring it.

All kinds of "so-called" benefits will be advertised such as; day to day conveniences, safety/security, etc. and it won't be a lie, however the true costs (to freedom, privacy and the like) will be glossed over.

Eventually, not "being chipped" would only open oneself up to complete abandonment, total isolation, a (probable) criminal record and the inability to take part in society's most fundamental acts, wants and needs.



Don't forget how quickly the human race went from horse drawn carriages to autos, to flight, to space, to a computer in your pocket.

 

[HereToday]

In sweden people are already getting voluntarily microchipped to replace cash. In a future, it could have replace other functions like verifying identity or GPS monitoring. Plus companies could start implanting their employees too. It's not that people would be forced by government to get an implant. But people would end up being "forced", as if you don't get an implant, you won't be able to pay for stuff, getting identified or even getting a job.

Sure some people will get it, but it will be a cold day in hell before everyone in the world allows themselves to be micro chipped. Even in a hypothetical scenario where they did, a micro chip won't stop people from taking N (you'd be long gone before law enforcement arrived) or jumping off a building. Suicide methods will also evolve with time, just like everything else
Also, I'm still trying to think up a scenario where my life is important enough for the government to waste time and money on monitoring my vital signs, and forcing me to live

 

[Nnana]

Sorry I disagree...humans are certainly that dumb. And unfortunately (esp. for technophobes) the costs are minimal.

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This ^ Couldn't agree more.

It will start out as "hip," "cool" and then become mainstream....much like having a smartphone, twitter/instagram account.
Then, certain companies will begin offering it (see attch. above) soon enough expecting it and finally graduating to requiring it.

All kinds of "so-called" benefits will be advertised such as; day to day conveniences, safety/security, etc. and it won't be a lie, however the true costs (to freedom, privacy and the like) will be glossed over.

Eventually, not "being chipped" would only open oneself up to complete abandonment, total isolation, a (probable) criminal record and the inability to take part in society's most fundamental acts, wants and needs.

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Don't forget how quickly the human race went from horse drawn carriages to autos, to flight, to space, to a computer in your pocket.

Yes, I thought the same thing. Our technological growth is exponential. It won't surprise me if in a decade or two, this implant will be a common thing. I can only hope that by there we already have conquered the right to die. If not, we'll be living in a nightmare where life becomes inescapable.

 

[Lostbetweenworlds]

I think suicide will always be the way to go for some, no matter how technologcally advanced we might be... For those who are dedicated enough there will be always a way to set oneself free.. all they force us is through more torture so we can withstand more pain in our final moments.. which gives us a lot of more ways to CTB.. but society and their clinging to this existence is so bothering sometimes..

 

[Nnana]

Also, I'm still trying to think up a scenario where my life is important enough for the government to waste time and money on monitoring my vital signs, and forcing me to live

I hope so. But pro-life nutjobs think the suicidal is sick and it's their duty to "save" them by trapping them alive no matter what. If they get use of this technology they'll try to use it for their suicide prevention agenda. It may be of the government interest too as for each person who commits suicide they lose thousands of dollars in a person who could be living, working, paying taxes, consuming...That's why we should fight for the right to die.

 

[SugarbushMtn]

No, there will always be ways to ctb

 

[BipolarExpat]

No, there will always be ways to ctb

Perhaps, but I believe that peaceful methods will continue to become more exposed and thus controlled leaving the truly desperate to rely solely on violent ends.

 

[hatelife]

I don't think or worry about that to much..Im more worried of trying and failing and ending up brain damaged or disfigured and worse off than I was.

or alive forever, that one simply cant die, parallell universes

 

[Hypergang2018]

Wouldn't put it past the gov. You can already be chained up and bound for being suicidal and locked up, no rights, no trial. Once you declare you are suicidal you no longer have rights. It's fucked

 

[AlreadyGone]

No. If someone wants to CTB, they will find a way eventually.