Venting Any other Americans hate this country?

[Exact Change]

I'm simply hating my country. We have become a nation of guns and hate. We are driven by ignorance, greed, and cling to a racist past and continue the tradition. With this combination it makes sense we are the leaders in mass shootings. Maybe my mental health would improve in a country that's less toxic.

 

[Sweet Tart]

I am with you on this. There is barely any mechanism in place for the society to continue sustaining itself. I do think my mental health would improve in a place where capitalist greed hasn't warped and depleted every system.

 

[Vizzy]

I am with you on this. There is barely any mechanism in place for the society to continue sustaining itself. I do think my mental health would improve in a place where capitalist greed hasn't warped and depleted every system.

From the history what we learned is only capitalist economy works well, all other types fall at some point

Socialist economy may seem good but practically it's a huge failure example Venezuela

Communist huge failure too example Russia

 

[meowmeowkitty]

From the history what we learned is only capitalist economy works well, all other types fall at some point

Socialist economy may seem good but practically it's a huge failure example Venezuela

Communist huge failure too example Russia

doesn't seem like it's working too well rn

 

[Vizzy]

doesn't seem like it's working too well rn

I didn't say it is perfect but not bad compared to other types

Just look at Venezuela people are eating rats, dogs and whatever they can get but western society is way better compared to that we are still eating food from good produce

 

[Zulu]

I'm simply hating my country. We have become a nation of guns and hate. We are driven by ignorance, greed, and cling to a racist past and continue the tradition. With this combination it makes sense we are the leaders in mass shootings. Maybe my mental health would improve in a country that's less toxic.

Agreed, but it is convenient to have access to one of the quickest and most effective exits that aren't as easily available in other countries.

 

[AlbigenseanGhoul]

I didn't say it is perfect but not bad compared to other types

Just look at Venezuela people are eating rats, dogs and whatever they can get but western society is way better compared to that we are still eating food from good produce

You could also look at other countries within Latin America that have socialist governments that do not have such issues. Ones such as Bolivia, Peru and even Brazil. Also Cuba may have some poverty issues, but at least healthcare, education and housing are free there, unlike in the USA. It's worth noting that both Cuba and Venezuela suffer severe sanctions from the USA and Europe, and that probably impacts their situation a lot too. And capitalist "Western" countries have a head start because they don't have to literally topple dictatorships and change their whole economy in order to get the style of government they want.

 

[Vizzy]

You could also look at other countries within Latin America that have socialist governments that do not have such issues. Ones such as Bolivia, Peru and even Brazil. Also Cuba may have some poverty issues, but at least healthcare, education and housing are free there, unlike in the USA. It's worth noting that both Cuba and Venezuela suffer severe sanctions from the USA and Europe, and that probably impacts their situation a lot too. And capitalist "Western" countries have a head start because they don't have to literally topple dictatorships and change their whole economy in order to get the style of government they want.

It's funny you are comparing USA to South America countries lol, most of the countries you mentioned are shit show, people are dying, can't make money to run their day to day life, no law, corruption, economy is rock bottom, No quality of life, no disability Cheque, no one cares about disabled people in those countries, and a lot of issues in those countries

Have you been to Cuba, I have been to Cuba it doesn't have some poverty issue the country is broke af, everywhere are in poverty and people are struggling out there, USA is way better!

Venezuela was struggling even before the sanctions, read about how Venezuela become broke because they didn't handle the money properly, just giving out money thinking they will continue to be rich in the future but it backfired

Common man, capitalist western countries didn't have head start, the countries you mentioned have like many years of history but they didn't do things properly just corruption, capitalist western countries have less history and capitalism is a pretty new concept compared to the other concepts like communist, socialist and monarchy.

Just because you don't get free stuffs in USA, you can't say a world leader country that they are bad, they have bills in place to help the people in need and for healthcare buy insurance!

 

[Float On Okay]

I'm simply hating my country. We have become a nation of guns and hate. We are driven by ignorance, greed, and cling to a racist past and continue the tradition. With this combination it makes sense we are the leaders in mass shootings. Maybe my mental health would improve in a country that's less toxic.

It's a dime a dozen opinion nowadays, at least with the people I interact with.

 

[AlbigenseanGhoul]

No need to get heated. I have, in fact, been to some of those countries, talked to people from there, and am capable of observing news from there in both Spanish and Portuguese. I hope my credentials are now validated. From my understanding, most of those I have mentioned: have people running their day to day life just fine, have plenty of laws, have corrupt interference from rich corporations, often from the USA, have okay-ish economy, have varying degrees of quality of life, have disability benefits, and have public healthcare, which means that the government itself cares about disabled people. Doesn't a disability check count as free stuff? Additionally people die in every country, but Cuba, which is usually the worse off of socialist countries, had a pre-covid death rate of 9.1 per thousand, while the USA was at 8.8. Doesn't look too bad to me. Colombia, which is in the process of ending a low-intensity civil war, had a mortality rate of 5.6. I also find it a bit rude to call any country a "shit show", given that there are people there, many of them trying their best to make it work. And Canada, which I didn't mention is also looking pretty good after implementing lots of socialist reforms such as public universal healthcare.

At the end of the day, though, we can look at a whole sort other statistics of the countries I mentioned and compare it to the USA. For instance, the USA had not only the worst death rate of any country due to Covid in absolute numbers in the world, but out of those countries I mentioned only Peru was worse than it in relative numbers. Additionally, the USA also has a higher rate of homelessness than any of those. It is not the case for all those countries, but for many of them Native and non-white people also enjoy many more rights and protections. And in the case of Bolivia, are specificaly part of the plurinational state. And although their currency is very undervalued in relation to the Dollar, and therefore have a harder time importing things such as electronics, food prices tend to be very low due to them producing it locally. And having bills ensuring that people who need healthcare is nice, but I would say having a default public healthcare system so that anybody, even illiterate isolated farmers or severely disabled people, can have some basic healthcare sounds even nicer.

But even if things were that much worse, the USA should already be leaps and bounds ahead of those countries. Their government and corporations have spent the last 80 years making sure that no southern country could develop economically or socially. During the Cold War, developing south american governments were either toppled or subverted by USA agencies and multinationals in order to continue exploiting their resources at a minimum cost. National industries were auctioned and never recovered, and all political dissent exterminated. Right now, the USA has 12 times the GDP of Brazil, the greatest Latin American economy and 3rd American one. And despite that, Americans live lives that are comparable and often worse than that of many other American countries. What was the point of all that imperialism if socialist and isolationist countries can do fine just as well?

I'm not saying you should hate the USA or become a socialist, only providing my own informed opinion on why socialism could have some value.

 

[Float On Okay]

From the history what we learned is only capitalist economy works well, all other types fall at some point

Socialist economy may seem good but practically it's a huge failure example Venezuela

Communist huge failure too example Russia

It's important to note that the U.S. economy is meddled with greatly by the U.S. government. Do you expect a government this large, corrupt, and bureaucratic to have a hands-off economic approach? This is by no means a free market economy if such a thing can even practically exist in a location where a state is governing. Many problems provably arise from government intervention in the economy, and people continue to blame it on "evil" capitalism. Time and time again, politicians pass legislation that have unintended negative consequences, and then they pass more legislation to try to fix the problems they created, creating more problems in the process. I don't understand why people continue putting their faith in an ideology, such as socialism, that requires heavy government oversight (no matter what Marxist theory and left libertarians want to believe). Perhaps the reason people love Marxism is because leftists are simply better salesmen. The problem is unrestricted government intervention, not unrestricted voluntary market interactions and competition (aka human nature).

 

[Vizzy]

No need to get heated. I have, in fact, been to some of those countries, talked to people from there, and am capable of observing news from there in both Spanish and Portuguese. I hope my credentials are now validated. From my understanding, most of those I have mentioned: have people running their day to day life just fine, have plenty of laws, have corrupt interference from rich corporations, often from the USA, have okay-ish economy, have varying degrees of quality of life, have disability benefits, and have public healthcare, which means that the government itself cares about disabled people. Doesn't a disability check count as free stuff? Additionally people die in every country, but Cuba, which is usually the worse off of socialist countries, had a pre-covid death rate of 9.1 per thousand, while the USA was at 8.8. Doesn't look too bad to me. Colombia, which is in the process of ending a low-intensity civil war, had a mortality rate of 5.6. I also find it a bit rude to call any country a "shit show", given that there are people there, many of them trying their best to make it work. And Canada, which I didn't mention is also looking pretty good after implementing lots of socialist reforms such as public universal healthcare.

At the end of the day, though, we can look at a whole sort other statistics of the countries I mentioned and compare it to the USA. For instance, the USA had not only the worst death rate of any country due to Covid in absolute numbers in the world, but out of those countries I mentioned only Peru was worse than it in relative numbers. Additionally, the USA also has a higher rate of homelessness than any of those. It is not the case for all those countries, but for many of them Native and non-white people also enjoy many more rights and protections. And in the case of Bolivia, are specificaly part of the plurinational state. And although their currency is very undervalued in relation to the Dollar, and therefore have a harder time importing things such as electronics, food prices tend to be very low due to them producing it locally. And having bills ensuring that people who need healthcare is nice, but I would say having a default public healthcare system so that anybody, even illiterate isolated farmers or severely disabled people, can have some basic healthcare sounds even nicer.

But even if things were that much worse, the USA should already be leaps and bounds ahead of those countries. Their government and corporations have spent the last 80 years making sure that no southern country could develop economically or socially. During the Cold War, developing south american governments were either toppled or subverted by USA agencies and multinationals in order to continue exploiting their resources at a minimum cost. National industries were auctioned and never recovered, and all political dissent exterminated. Right now, the USA has 12 times the GDP of Brazil, the greatest Latin American economy and 3rd American one. And despite that, Americans live lives that are comparable and often worse than that of many other American countries. What was the point of all that imperialism if socialist and isolationist countries can do fine just as well?

I'm not saying you should hate the USA or become a socialist, only providing my own informed opinion on why socialism could have some value.

I lived that life

How about try living that life instead of being a observer?

Try that life for 5-10 years then I will listen to you, your views won't be the same!

USA is the best, American dream is real no other countries have something like that!

 

[AlbigenseanGhoul]

I lived that life

How about try living that life instead of being a observer?

Try that life for 5-10 years then I will listen to you, your views won't be the same!

I have also lived that life, for quite a while. Do I need to doxx myself in order to validate all my points? Specially when all of those are also knowable without also going there are relying on anecdotal information, such as the fact that Cuba has a negligible to zero homelessness rate. Or that their education system is fully public and accessible to all. Considering a lot of stress from urban areas comes specifically from being able to afford rent, and USA people in specific have this weird burden of student loans, I think those are at least relevant. Now, if you wish to provide me with information about those countries, given how strong an opinion you have on them, I'm all ears.

The problem is unrestricted government intervention, not unrestricted voluntary market interactions and competition (aka human nature).

Considering how it takes 2 Billion USD to run a successful presidential campaign in the USA, how it took laws to prevent corporations from demanding people work for 10 or 14 hours a day or child factory labour, and how basically every USA congressperson and senator owes their election to corporate donations, I'd say that there at least are issues with the other way around. Such thing as a corporation, specially an international one, didn't even exist in the Americas 500 years ago, and still took 300 more years to completely take over, so I think they're not that linked to human nature.

 

[soledad.virgen]

Just because you don't get free stuffs in USA, you can't say a world leader country that they are bad, they have bills in place to help the people in need and for healthcare buy insurance!

What an odd strawman. That "world leader" position is built upon military spending at the cost of your average citizen's quality of life. Spoiler alert, there are multitudes of corrupt and impoverished shithole communities in the US where kids have to rely on prison food for their nutritional intake, its not some "third world" country thing that's entirely foreign to us. "just buy insurance" is an incredibly idiotic dismissal, like yeah dude people totally don't have insurance because they don't wanna pay for it, and not because they straight up can't afford what the rest of the world has decided to subsidize because they prioritize a persons wellbeing over corporate profits. It's embarassing to see such ignorant and masturbatory declarations about a country where the horrible healthcare alone makes this a hellscape. The opioid addictions, obesity epidemic, inexplicably high maternity death rates, COVID killing a million people (and counting), mental health issues, etc. are the type of things Fox News would shit on Chile or Mexico for, but they're just a part of everyday life here lol.

Damn I just can not fathom drinking that WOOO WORLD LEADER Kool Aid when countries like Germany or France exist. Fuck I'd even rather be an overworked salaryman in Japan than some wageslave in the US, at least I wouldn't slowly die from the sedentary lifestyle and not being able to see a doctor all while the government invests in planes they themselves see as failures

 

[Coldpizza22]

I'm from EU and I'm following stuff in the US and i dont think it's that bad on the other side of the ocean. USA is a pretty diverse country, built on immigration, many different peoples with different beliefs. Also the US is big sl you get a lot of regional differences with different state laws, like in the EU with different countries.

The failed immigrant integration policies rose the people's distrust against immigrants from Africa and the Middle East. Sweden is on the top of the list in shootings committed by gang members, but the media doesn't report on it much, but we hear about every shooting in the US. Belive me there is a lot of hidden racism also here in the more "liberal central EU countries" like Switzerland or Germany for example. I'm slavic and I've heard from other slavic people who went to germany for work, it's very hard to get a apartment in a certain region where it's majority native German. There were a few experiments conducted where a Turkish family applied for an apartment and they got reject then a German family applied and had a much higher success rate. https://amp.dw.com/en/foreigners-di...german-renting-market-report-finds/a-39359215

Europe is also heavily impacted by American culture and you can see Europe slowly becoming similar to the US. Most of the EU countries run on the social-market economy and the UK and the USA use a liberal-market economy. There is bigger inequality in the US, but if you're skilled or talented (a higher education that's useful) you have a lot more potential in the US; you can get a lot more richer.

The USA have a lot of problems, but i think it's still a lot better than you think. I'm in a country with universal healthcare and don't even have a personal doctor, bcs they're leaving for many reasons (bad pay, hard work conditions). Just look at thr middle east, Africa, Asia. If you care about minorities, they are a lot better off in the US than in those regions. Slavery is still practiced in middle eastern countries, one example was how the FIFA Wold Cup was organised. Built with slave labour, and the human rights violations in Qatar, people were protesting but in the end, Qatar got it's propaganda victory. I recommend this video, if you're interested

 

[angel31]

Im not american but I can tell you: in europe literally everyone hates america and think americans are dumb as shit lol

 

[ItchySychadan]

I am from EU and i think the USA are more a free country that´s the EU.
The EU becomes more and more a dictatorship.
If i did not have a disability I would already be trying to emigrate and work in the USA.

 

[thesockshavebeenuse]

America is dead!!

 

[JealousOfTheElderly]

I'm simply hating my country. We have become a nation of guns and hate. We are driven by ignorance, greed, and cling to a racist past and continue the tradition. With this combination it makes sense we are the leaders in mass shootings. Maybe my mental health would improve in a country that's less toxic.

Clinging to a racist past? If you mean people who have never experienced slavery in their lives wanting reparations and claiming to be descended from slaves for monetary purposes, then yes. There are no people alive today who were slave owners. Enough with blaming each other for perceived racism.
We are leaders in mass shootings because of our sick society riddled with drugs, glorifying thug behavior, touting mental illness as a virtue, and allowing people to procreate without consequences.
The world is too crowded and overpopulated. We are seeing the effects of a sick, overcrowded populated society ran by corporatism, the pharmaceutical companies, small hats and corporate suits.

 

[Druggy423]

I'm simply hating my country. We have become a nation of guns and hate. We are driven by ignorance, greed, and cling to a racist past and continue the tradition. With this combination it makes sense we are the leaders in mass shootings. Maybe my mental health would improve in a country that's less toxic.

If I don't ctb, then I want to move to Canada.

 

[alonely]

my first reaction was "there are americans who dont hate america?" and then i remembered about the existence of normal people

 

[Obliviate]

Agreed.

 

[TheDog_]

Honestly no, I don't hate it. I don't love it either, but this country has some of the best doctors in the world for some of my health problems and even though it is incredibly expensive if I didn't live here and instead lived in Mexico like I used to I would be dead or completely ignored. I think Germany would be nice. I would like to live in Europe, but I can't

 

[synthcadia]

i cannot begin to tell you how much i hate america. i despise being called an "american."

i'm 1/2 iranian, grew up in iranian culture. that's what i know. yet, i was too "white" and american to identify with POCs in school (until now) and yet too "ethnic" to be american. i was racially discriminated during the 2016 election. i was told that i was going to be deported, my grandparents (from iran) would be deported, i was a suicide bomber, my family were suicide bombers, and to "go back to where i came from."

i have freed myself from the propraganda in america. we have major issues and are being extremely polarized. tbh, i have no idea how long democracy will last in america.

i think it's ridiculous that it is now legal (via the supreme court) to discriminate against LGBTQ+ people and now affirmative action is gone.

i am aware that other places are worse (iran), but i have heard people from these parts of the world tell me that they don't want to live in america.

oh yea, the guns scare me. i've had nightmares about being in a school shooting before.

i am ashamed to be american.

 

[Touhou]

I don't see why people hate living in America. It has;
-Provided a sense of hope & asylum to those living in third-world dictatorships
-The world's highest nominal GDP
-The world's 7th-highest GDP per capita
-The 21st highest HDI; the vast majority of countries higher than it on the scale benefit from or partially rely on the US
-Some of the world's loosest gun laws; gun control is the first step to an authoritarian dictatorship, seeing as you have to disarm the people in order to form a totalitarian government in the first place
-Freedom of religion, speech, press, peaceful assembly, and petition
Et cetera.
I see the whole "America is a third world country/is a horrible place to live in!!" analogy as a blatant strawman.
Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita, https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/, https://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=MIG

 

[Exact Change]

From the history what we learned is only capitalist economy works well, all other types fall at some point

Socialist economy may seem good but practically it's a huge failure example Venezuela

Communist huge failure too example Russia

Venezuela is a Democracy run by leaders who wanted to secure their power by relying on a one-product economy. When oil prices fell, they fell. Have you ever heard of a socialist nation that is the number 2 economy in the world...China? They happen to have the most used currency in the world.

 

[FormerlyFe(IV)]

I'm from Brazil, I could go to the US if I wanted, but by every passing day I feel like going less and less.

Maybe it's all news bias on negativity but you guys have huge mental health and homeless and drug problems. It seems like walking around city centers isn't safe.
And then add guns into the mental health mix and suddenly children are fearing their lives in schools?

I'm staying here so I can (eventually?) finish my college degree for free before going, since college in the US costs an arm and a leg.
But then housing costs an arm and a leg. And if I dare get sick, that will also bring me to financial ruin?

I have no idea how I'm going to be seen either. I don't look American, I look like I came from Brazil. Tanned skin, curly hair. America has issues with discrimination and a really shitty racist past.

Suddenly living in Brazil doesn't seem so bad, to be honest.

-Provided a sense of hope & asylum to those living in third-world dictatorships

Not all third-world countries are dictatorships? It's not like everything that isn't the "West" is a hellhole.

-The world's 7th-highest GDP per capita

And also huge inequality. What's the point of huge wealth if Bezos and Musk and other billionaires hoard all the wealth? The US also has a shrinking middle class and problems with housing.

-Some of the world's loosest gun laws; gun control is the first step to an authoritarian dictatorship, seeing as you have to disarm the people in order to form a totalitarian government in the first place

That's like, your opinion man. Across the pond the UK has way less guns and is no way a dictatorship? Who tf would you shoot, the military trying a coup? Or you planning to join a coup? Get real.

-Freedom of religion, speech, press, peaceful assembly, and petition

And then suddenly there is a huge divide in the US because fundamentalists want to preach their morals upon the general populace. I wish for a system like France that goes hard on secularism.

 

[Touhou]

I'm from Brazil, I could go to the US if I wanted, but by every passing day I feel like going less and less.

Maybe it's all news bias on negativity but you guys have huge mental health and homeless and drug problems. It seems like walking around city centers isn't safe.
And then add guns into the mental health mix and suddenly children are fearing their lives in schools?

I'm staying here so I can (eventually?) finish my college degree for free before going, since college in the US costs an arm and a leg.
But then housing costs an arm and a leg. And if I dare get sick, that will also bring me to financial ruin?

I have no idea how I'm going to be seen either. I don't look American, I look like I came from Brazil. Tanned skin, curly hair. America has issues with discrimination and a really shitty racist past.

Suddenly living in Brazil doesn't seem so bad, to be honest.



Not all third-world countries are dictatorships? It's not like everything that isn't the "West" is a hellhole.



And also huge inequality. What's the point of huge wealth if Bezos and Musk and other billionaires hoard all the wealth? The US also has a shrinking middle class and problems with housing.



That's like, your opinion man. Across the pond the UK has way less guns and is no way a dictatorship? Who tf would you shoot, the military trying a coup? Or you planning to join a coup? Get real.



And then suddenly there is a huge divide in the US because fundamentalists want to preach their morals upon the general populace. I wish for a system like France that goes hard on secularism.

Not all third-world countries are dictatorships? It's not like everything that isn't the "West" is a hellhole.

I never said that.

Straw man - Wikipedia

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And also huge inequality. What's the point of huge wealth if Bezos and Musk and other billionaires hoard all the wealth? The US also has a shrinking middle class and problems with housing.

How to End Poverty: Stop “Redistributing” Wealth | Northwood University

The worldwide anti-inequality movement , led by the socialist economist Thomas Piketty , would have us believe that differences in income and wealth cause disease and death. A recent study attributes 40,000 annual deaths in Canada to income inequality. Following Piketty , the study’s authors conc

www.northwood.edu

Who tf would you shoot, the military trying a coup? Or you planning to join a coup? Get real.

Yes?

Get real.

That's like, your opinion man.

Your informal tone in the context of a formal debate leads me to believe that you do not possess the intellectual capability to engage in a debate of this caliber in the first place.

And then suddenly there is a huge divide in the US because fundamentalists want to preach their morals upon the general populace.

I don't see a problem with this "divide" (which is, by the way, actively grossly exaggerated by the media). It's free speech. You do realize that, if it were not for freedom of speech, this site would've already been far past being seized by the FBI, correct?

I wish for a system like France that goes hard on secularism.

The US is officially a secular state.

homeless and drug problems.

No we don't. Our homelessness rate is, for every 10,000 people, 17.5, much lower than countries like the UK, Luxembourg, Greece, France, Australia, et cetera. Again, the homelessness rate is a problem greatly exaggerated in caliber by the media.

Suddenly living in Brazil doesn't seem so bad, to be honest.

Your home country has a murder rate of 20.64 per 100,000 people & is a major hub for the international drug trade, alongside having an HDI of 0.754, lower than that of Iran & Cuba. This sounds like a cope.


Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_homeless_population, https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-1/,
P.S: I apologize for the slight formatting issues. I'm tired as hell right now.

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Venezuela is a Democracy run by leaders who wanted to secure their power by relying on a one-product economy. When oil prices fell, they fell. Have you ever heard of a socialist nation that is the number 2 economy in the world...China? They happen to have the most used currency in the world.

This post genuinely made me LOL at the thought of considering China socialist, but;
China is anything but a socialist country. It's socialist only in name; its official system, Dengism or Deng Xiaopeng Theory, can be summed up as state capitalism.

 

[FormerlyFe(IV)]

-Provided a sense of hope & asylum to those living in third-world dictatorships

Not all third-world countries are dictatorships? It's not like everything that isn't the "West" is a hellhole.

I never said that.

There is an implicit association here between "third-world" and "dictatorships". Neither are all dictatorships third-world (old Singapore) nor are all third-world countries dictatorships (Brazil). You didn't say that all third-world countries are dictatorships, but there is the connotation.

Regardless, disregard my comments. I was being too brash.

Your informal tone in the context of a formal debate leads me to believe that you do not possess the intellectual capability to engage in a debate of this caliber in the first place.

Ad hominems already? Nice.

I don't see a problem with this "divide" (which is, by the way, actively grossly exaggerated by the media). It's free speech. You do realize that, if it were not for freedom of speech, this site would've already been far past being seized by the FBI, correct?

Okay. How would I argue against a divide in the US if you are skeptical of the media?
If Vox stirs up a video on polarization and if a church that actively spreads disinformation is alive and well, then, is the divide really not true?

Sure, it's free speech? I'm not saying that free speech is at blame here. Other countries also have free speech and aren't having these same issues.
But it's telling that there must be some systemic issue if other countries that do have liberties of speech don't have the same issues.

Of course, Brazil likes to copy the US and Bolsonaro did the same damage that Trump did here, insurrection and all. Not saying Brazil is one of them.

The US is officially a secular state.

The US is _de jure_ secular. In practice, it is still common practice to swear oaths on the Bible, there is religion in both the Pledge of Allegiance and the Dollar.
Those are the most undeniable examples.

No we don't. Our homelessness rate is, for every 10,000 people, 17.5, much lower than countries like the UK, Luxembourg, Greece, France, Australia, et cetera. Again, the homelessness rate is a problem greatly exaggerated in caliber by the media.

Double the homelessness population of Brazil, and it is rising again post-pandemic.
The homeless problem can also seem like a media problem because large groups of homeless people concentrate in city centers.
Also because they are driven out of cities.

Your home country has a murder rate of 20.64 per 100,000 people & is a major hub for the international drug trade, alongside having an HDI of 0.754, lower than that of Iran & Cuba. This sounds like a cope.

I live in a city with an HDI of .800+, but you could argue that even considering IHDI, the US is ahead of Brazil by miles.
The US also has major cities like Detroit where murder rates are crazy higher.

Not sure how international drug trade influences a country's outlook. The US does have greater drug problems and does buy drugs too, right? Heroin and Meth simply don't exist here, while you guys have a opium/fentanyl/xylazine epidemic. Not very first-world of you.

Also, first-world and third-world are old hat now, the Cold War is long over.

How to End Poverty: Stop “Redistributing” Wealth | Northwood University

The worldwide anti-inequality movement , led by the socialist economist Thomas Piketty , would have us believe that differences in income and wealth cause disease and death. A recent study attributes 40,000 annual deaths in Canada to income inequality. Following Piketty , the study’s authors conc

www.northwood.edu

[....] Some choose to work harder than others, to get an education, to save and invest money, to start a business. [...]

Really, this is a lot of hopeful meritocratic rhetoric. Especially in a country where education requires money, people in lower-income neighborhoods have worse access to education since schools have less access to funds, and where saving and investing money can be hard, if not impossible, in very tight family budgets.
Also uses Venezuela and the USSR as counter-examples of socialism.

If so, then why have trial programs regarding Universal Basic Income been proven to be successful lately?

 

[Exact Change]

I never said that.

Straw man - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

How to End Poverty: Stop “Redistributing” Wealth | Northwood University

The worldwide anti-inequality movement , led by the socialist economist Thomas Piketty , would have us believe that differences in income and wealth cause disease and death. A recent study attributes 40,000 annual deaths in Canada to income inequality. Following Piketty , the study’s authors conc

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Yes?


Your informal tone in the context of a formal debate leads me to believe that you do not possess the intellectual capability to engage in a debate of this caliber in the first place.

I don't see a problem with this "divide" (which is, by the way, actively grossly exaggerated by the media). It's free speech. You do realize that, if it were not for freedom of speech, this site would've already been far past being seized by the FBI, correct?

The US is officially a secular state.

No we don't. Our homelessness rate is, for every 10,000 people, 17.5, much lower than countries like the UK, Luxembourg, Greece, France, Australia, et cetera. Again, the homelessness rate is a problem greatly exaggerated in caliber by the media.

Your home country has a murder rate of 20.64 per 100,000 people & is a major hub for the international drug trade, alongside having an HDI of 0.754, lower than that of Iran & Cuba. This sounds like a cope.


Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_homeless_population, https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-1/,
P.S: I apologize for the slight formatting issues. I'm tired as hell right now.

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This post genuinely made me LOL at the thought of considering China socialist, but;
China is anything but a socialist country. It's socialist only in name; its official system, Dengism or Deng Xiaopeng Theory, can be summed up as state capitalism.

Their economy is predominantly driven by state run companies. And the government maintains a huge influence and control over any private businesses. Take the decision for the US and other nations to reject China's Telecom from doind business as an example.