Venting Any other Americans hate this country?

[Mr2005]

I'm not American but yes

 

[Exact Change]

I'm simply hating my country. We have become a nation of guns and hate. We are driven by ignorance, greed, and cling to a racist past and continue the tradition. With this combination it makes sense we are the leaders in mass shootings. Maybe my mental health would improve in a country that's less toxic.

I didn't mean for my Orig post to become so divisive. But, I guess I should have expected it. This exact type of discourse is why I hate the state of this country. It has become insufferable.

Is there any data on the amount of self-righteous, close-minded citizens per capita in each nation?

As for me, I don't like being wrong, no one does, but I will be able to recognize it when I am (I think... I hope). But I've found that there is no longer an ability for discussion only debate and a "Google" tug of war. It becomes a kind of ...You're wrong and I'm right...You are stupid so I laugh at you in order to demean and feel superior. Self-esteem is a very complicated beast. At least some people learn stuff in the process. I include myself in that comment.

But I am also a little different. I have an unfortunate history of violence and many of you would say that I should kill myself because I have it coming. And I could not have much of an argument against that thought. But, I try to change. However, when I hear the lies, the false discourse, the ignorance, and the closed minds, I want to hurt someone. Or hurt myself. So, it does seem there is no place for me.

In closing, this nation can be great. We have the money, the resources, and the influence to make our lives and the lives of other people around the world to be better. But Americans waste it and allow the people who we elect to manipulate the populace for their own gains. We are too lazy and stupid to recognize the truths that are being hidden. Americans disallow the beliefs of others and feel that everyone needs to think in a singular fashion, "The American way. (consider that the American way is anti-suicide or self-determination) . Fuck this country and all of its inhabitants, from the inbred people of that Appalachians, the religious zealots, every hypocritical politician and clergy getting blow jobs from children, every lobbyist that controls the nation's policy, and anyone trying to ban this site because they failed to help their child.

 

[Touhou]

Okay. How would I argue against a divide in the US if you are skeptical of the media?
If Vox stirs up a video on polarization and if a church that actively spreads disinformation is alive and well, then, is the divide really not true?

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church that actively spreads disinformation is alive and well,

Spreading disinformation isn't a bad thing. Natural selection'll get those dumb enough to fall for it.

The US is _de jure_ secular. In practice, it is still common practice to swear oaths on the Bible, there is religion in both the Pledge of Allegiance and the Dollar.

Wording in pledges & swearing oaths on the Bible do not correlate with the USA being secular; seperation of church & state's one of the basic premises of the US government.

The US also has major cities like Detroit where murder rates are crazy higher.

Detroit, one of the worst cities in the US in terms of violent crime rates, shouldn't be used here. The US' homicide rate is 7.8 for every 100,000 people.

Ad hominems already? Nice.

What is your point? By saying "nice", do you mean that you want me to use them more?

Double the homelessness population of Brazil

Because people living in shanties & favelas aren't counted as homeless.

Social issues in Brazil - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If so, then why have trial programs regarding Universal Basic Income been proven to be successful lately?

They're trial programs. For a nation of >350 million people, UBI's not economically feasible.

 

[FormerlyFe(IV)]

Vox Media Bias Rating

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Yes, I know that Vox/Vice are very left-leaning. But pointing out the bias of the news organization alone doesn't dispel the argument they are making.
Unless you want me to reconstruct their same arguments? The data is still out there and Ornstein's material and recognition exists outside of Vox.

Spreading disinformation isn't a bad thing. Natural selection'll get those dumb enough to fall for it.

And by natural selection you mean what? Idiocracy?

Not at all. It will just lead to a concentration of power amongst a political few against the alienated many.
Spreading disinformation, and also propaganda, is a common war tatic. Are modern propaganda machines like Russia and China failing today because of natural selection? Did the WW2 facist propaganda machines fail because of natural selection? Not really. As long as you can maintain a working and intellectual class aligned to the state's politics, where would natural selection take place?

Wording in pledges & swearing oaths on the Bible do not correlate with the USA being secular; seperation of church & state's one of the basic premises of the US government.

I feel like the burden of proof is on you. The claim that "government procedures involving bibles" is secular is not trivial.
The separation of church and state still is controversial in the US. It was only in the last 50 or so years that teaching creationism was banned in schools (Epperson v. Arkansas, Edwards v. Aguillard).
Furthermore, the basic premises of any government can only go as far as the population is willing to enforce or change them. In fundamentalist circles, the separation of church and state isn't seen as keenly: https://www.pewresearch.org/religio...t-than-oppose-separation-of-church-and-state/

Detroit, one of the worst cities in the US in terms of violent crime rates, shouldn't be used here. The US' homicide rate is 7.8 for every 100,000 people.

Why not? It is a large, failed metropolitan area of the US, one of the grandstanding first-world countries that we are discussing.
The fact that the rates are comparable to Brazil's worst means that, at some degree, the US isn't doing much better?
How is Detroit even remotely excusable for a first-world country?

Because people living in shanties & favelas aren't counted as homeless.

Yes. While people in Brazil move to the city outskirts and build their own property, the same alternative does not exist in the US.
And that is not by a lack of trying, but city officials tear down makeshift properties and tents in the US all the time.
I think a roof is preferable over no roof.

They're trial programs. For a nation of >350 million people, UBI's not economically feasible.

How so? If the trial programs are working, it's obvious that the success metrics take into account more than "civilians are happy with the extra money", right? Surely the due diligence in economic analysis is being done.

 

[SexyIncél]

I'm not wanting to step into a subject that'll lead to the usual flamewars. Nation-states come & go; the US has only been around about 250 years. In contrast, there's much older corporations/companies

If you're 25, you've been around for 10% of US history

But lots of people who "hate" something have great ideas on improving it! Lots of fine people hate the world — as it is today. And that's fine, maybe they can help fix it, if people stopped stepping on each other's toes

With the US, well admittedly it has its fingers in lots of people's pies, and most people hate the government. So it'll cause a lot of hate until it one day fixes its problems

Is the US a 3rd world nation? Well, the usual pattern is great misery next to great opulence:

So, a typical Third World country has a small sector of the population which lives in extraordinary wealth and opulence, and they're kind of connected with the ongoing experiments. And they're the ones who write the articles and the books and so on, so they think it's all great, and they advocate it and so on.

For the rest of the population, outside of that small sector — this runs across any Third World society you look at — they live somewhere between suffering and misery. You know, depends on the society. Most of them, it's closer to misery. And as the experiments proceed, it gets closer and closer to that.

Then there's another part of the population which is simply superfluous. I mean, they don't contribute anything to wealth creation, and you've got to do something with them. Like, if it's, say, Colombia, which gets half of U.S. military aid for the hemisphere and has the worst human rights record in the hemisphere, then what you do with them is send out the military forces or the paramilitary forces to murder them. Now they're called disposable people. In other places, you do it in various other different ways, but somehow you just get rid of them.

So, that's a typical Third World society: small sector of great wealth, a large mass of the population facing one or another problem, from down to misery and then disposable people.

That's fairly uniform. And that's been a uniform consequence of these experiments, which, in general, have been going on for hundreds of years. So, the general principle is, designers do great; the ones who cooperate with them do great; the experimental animals, only by accident do they gain anything, mostly they suffer quite a bit.

If you squint, the US is similar. And in all the stats, there's things we don't discuss. Take for example its world-beating jailing of its own people. (Recent stats are unclear & juked; maybe a few countries like Rwanda recently got a higher rate. China has lots of unreported prisoners, so we should double their numbers — but it has far more people, so its rate is still much lower than the US's)

I spoke with a US prison guard recently, who quit because "I saw enough things no man should see". He told me how the prettier men would rub their own shit on themselves, to avoid being raped by "gladiator motherfuckers". Game of Thrones

Go speak with the Uber/Lyft drivers, they have all sorts of stories of violence, misery & endless wageslavery

There's many friendly, open people in the US. Lots of nice things about it. But you walk downtown in some cities, the homeless roam like zombies. That's you, if you burn out & lose your job. It's a most unforgiving place

When I went to Manhattan, I dreamed that it could be a utopia, with its huge population density. If only people were free. I could almost hear it strain under all the bonds it wraps people in

Everyone's divided & conquered by pseudoscience like "race", culture wars, those pageants where everyone's rallied to crown social managers as lords & king...

 

[CTBookOfLife]

Amen to that.

 

[despairhangoverand]

From the history what we learned is only capitalist economy works well, all other types fall at some point

Socialist economy may seem good but practically it's a huge failure example Venezuela

Communist huge failure too example Russia

It's all about living a life as a dignified human and a citizen to me. Whether this can be offered or not depends on who you are in a given society and whether that society includes you in their sense of human. Capitalism and communism both dehumanizes people in their own way, but capitalism dehumanizes in ways that are worth mentioning, since we are mostly living in one I would imagine. If people who live in capitalism don't figure out a better, less dehumanizing ways to live for capitalism, and if that doesn't include questioning capitalism itself, then who will do that for us? Communists will figure it out just fine too. They can collapse, or they can sustain, or they can be even stronger. There's Venezuela among socialist countries, but there's also China.

 

[Brown-Jacket Revy]

Yes, but not just in the flippant, self-hating edgy way that people do to appeal to non-Americans.

I hate the corrupt government, the many layers of social engineering, the evil experiments upon people, the hypocrisy between both political factions, the psyops.

This country had/has great potential if people could truly break free from psychological restraints, their economical strife, and collectively adopt positive values.

 

[februaryangels]

i hate how native americans have been treated, it's so unfair

 

[sserafim]

I'm simply hating my country. We have become a nation of guns and hate. We are driven by ignorance, greed, and cling to a racist past and continue the tradition. With this combination it makes sense we are the leaders in mass shootings. Maybe my mental health would improve in a country that's less toxic.

Yes I hate America. I hate capitalism and having to live in this dystopian late-stage capitalist society. I hate how healthcare and higher education are basically businesses and cartels. I hate how people have to become wageslaves to capitalism and the capitalist machine and buy into the pyramid scheme that is this capitalist society. I hate how healthcare is so expensive and basically a robbery. Come on, we all know that the US is broken. It's internal infrastructure is crumbling. The US is decaying as a result of its own selfishness and greed. I hate how everything in this damn country is about money and profit.

I hate how America acts like it's the police of the world. I hate how the US just starts wars for its own selfish benefit. I hate it's audacity and how it thinks that it's Big Brother. I wish I could leave and live in Europe or something but it's hard to emigrate out of the US…

 

[duwangJEff]

I hate this country as well, but I can tell from your issues with it that we are on opposite sides of the political spectrum. But there are some points I think we'd agree on.

I hate this country because it is ran for profit. Nobody but the rich can afford land anymore. It's commonplace to work 50+ hours a week. Healthcare is insanely expensive, forcing you to pay for insurance, or rely on "benefits" from whatever job you slave away at. All of our culture is focused on individualist consumerism. There is no community, and no more social connection. You buy the latest iPhone, buy the latest car, and then you go home alone to your apartment where you microwave a dinner, go to sleep, and go back to work.

Life as a medieval peasant would be better and more meaningful than this

 

[Exact Change]

From the history what we learned is only capitalist economy works well, all other types fall at some point

Socialist economy may seem good but practically it's a huge failure example Venezuela

Communist huge failure too example Russia

The Byzantine empire lasted over a thousand years and was a monarchy

 

[sserafim]

I hate this country as well, but I can tell from your issues with it that we are on opposite sides of the political spectrum. But there are some points I think we'd agree on.

I hate this country because it is ran for profit. Nobody but the rich can afford land anymore. It's commonplace to work 50+ hours a week. Healthcare is insanely expensive, forcing you to pay for insurance, or rely on "benefits" from whatever job you slave away at. All of our culture is focused on individualist consumerism. There is no community, and no more social connection. You buy the latest iPhone, buy the latest car, and then you go home alone to your apartment where you microwave a dinner, go to sleep, and go back to work.

Life as a medieval peasant would be better and more meaningful than this

Literally! I hate consumer culture. It's like all they want us to do is slave away in the capitalist machine and buy things. They just want more money flowing back into the economy. Consume, consume, consume. That's the culture of America. You will be a capitalist wageslave and you will consume. You must buy the latest product, the shiniest new thing.

I also hate the fact that health insurance is tied to your job.

 

[Touhou]

The Byzantine empire lasted over a thousand years and was a monarchy

A monarchy isn't an economic system...

i hate how native americans have been treated, it's so unfair

@februaryangels Me, personally? I hate how native americans sacrified their own children up until when we came and civilized them. It was so unfair. https://allthatsinteresting.com/human-sacrifice

 

[Grav]

I hate what it's becoming. To me the US has so much potential but it's wasted on political stances and wasted efforts to score points, this is any party! The expectation that things are free and are "rights to xyz" when they never were. So many issues have simple fixes but there's no political scoring to address them so they go on and on, and the followers of these parties are so simple minded they don't see how they're being screwed by blindly following someone because they are against someone else. Yes capitalism has A LOT of issues but it does give incentive to make a better mousetrap and then advances. I hate the willingness to push down "trust the government" to fix everything when they have shown they rarely do. It should be the "shining city on the hill" that draws people in and inspires others, not some half baked alternating banana republic that sticks it's finger in everything. Yeah I wore a uniform for it and don't regret that at all. Gets me ranty b/c it's part of my ctb thinking. There's so much that can be done but isn't. Wasted potential.

 

[Exact Change]

A monarchy isn't an economic system...

@februaryangels Me, personally? I hate how native americans sacrified their own children up until when we came and civilized them. It was so unfair. https://allthatsinteresting.com/human-sacrifice

My point was that modern capitalism is still an infant. But I don't have the energy to argue.

 

[12_Years_Late]

From the December 21, 2022 edition of "Red Eye Radio": Gary McNamara gets a little too excited recalling his final days of high school.
''When I went to high school...'' (Red Eye Radio, December 21, 2022)
I heard this live as it actually aired. I was on the floor laughing because of how hilarious this was.

I'm not a fan of a country where this is allowed on national radio yet the people can't even decide whether they've got a good candidate field or not.

 

[suicidal flapper]

Absolutely. This place is horrible and destructive. Our history isn't any better either

 

[David8886]

i cannot begin to tell you how much i hate america. i despise being called an "american."

i'm 1/2 iranian, grew up in iranian culture. that's what i know. yet, i was too "white" and american to identify with POCs in school (until now) and yet too "ethnic" to be american. i was racially discriminated during the 2016 election. i was told that i was going to be deported, my grandparents (from iran) would be deported, i was a suicide bomber, my family were suicide bombers, and to "go back to where i came from."

i have freed myself from the propraganda in america. we have major issues and are being extremely polarized. tbh, i have no idea how long democracy will last in america.

i think it's ridiculous that it is now legal (via the supreme court) to discriminate against LGBTQ+ people and now affirmative action is gone.

i am aware that other places are worse (iran), but i have heard people from these parts of the world tell me that they don't want to live in america.

oh yea, the guns scare me. i've had nightmares about being in a school shooting before.

i am ashamed to be american.

ایرانی هستی

 

[Pg.964]

Our country is currently funding a genocide as they have in the past. Companies get away with unimaginable amounts of wage theft from workers. Many people I know work two jobs to support themselves. There's no excuse for a country so wealthy and powerful to not offer free education and Healthcare. With stagnant wages and living costs skyrocketing I cannot imagine this country remaining for much longer. Our economic system is designed for an infinite and impossible amount of profit derived from workers. It's the most gruesome crime against humanity I can think of

 

[synthcadia]

ایرانی هستی

بله،1/2ایرانی‌هستم

yes, i am 1/2 iranian

i apologize for grammatical errors, i write very poorly in farsi right now

I'm simply hating my country. We have become a nation of guns and hate. We are driven by ignorance, greed, and cling to a racist past and continue the tradition. With this combination it makes sense we are the leaders in mass shootings. Maybe my mental health would improve in a country that's less toxic.

as i am now in finland, i can 100% say, with full confidence, that i hate america. everything you say is true.

other countries do have racist pasts, but i think america really takes the cake.

i can say with certainty that my mental health has been a lot better here, because i don't have to worry about dying from guns. i mean i worry about normal things, like slipping in the snow.

also, finnish people are very nice, and europeans/non-americans. i think american people are just extremely toxic.

 

[Blurry_Buildings]

The social safety net is almost non-existent here compared to other developed nations. It is one thing for a democratic nation to have overcome colonialism or a recent dictator and be working towards better conditions for its populous, but it is something entirely different when a nation has had the resources for many decades but still willingly chooses to spend them maintaining its own uni-polar "world order". I don't think I personally deserve a social safety net or welfare, but there are many places in the US where a person's ability to afford food or housing or advance enough in the workplace to be able to afford these things can be greatly hindered because they were born in the wrong location or to the wrong economic class.

Your quality of education can range from 3rd world/ graduating highschool knowing only basic arithmetic to having already completed most of the math and science needed for a STEM degree at a college. College itself usually costs $100,000 or more and is limited to those who were born with a good background, those willing to risk it all with a loan, or the few who can get scholarships. Any job above a fast food worker requires a college degree (including jobs that traditionally didn't require them like secretaries) making upwards mobility a nightmare without one.

If you are stuck as a fast food worker making $25,000 a year you will lose around half of what you make paying for the cheapest apartment you can find and then another 40-50% on things you need (gas for a car because you can't walk anywhere, food, insurance, etc). Also remember that 10% of your income never even got to you before it went towards bombing children in Iraq, subsidies for millionaires and billionaires, and a broken "social security" system full of an excessive amount of senile old people who want to "get their fair share" but also gut it for your generation because they had it so good themselves that they never mentally left the 1960s.

Health insurance is also a mess and people routinely go bankrupt and lose everything because of unavoidable medical expenses or just go without care at all. When the insurance doesn't cover the treatment, the cost of care is exorbitantly more expensive than anywhere else in the world, in many instances without being any better.

Discrimination in some form or another also runs rampant and could be it's own mini essay, so too could be the wealth inequality between the few making $200,000+ a year vs the majority making around $25,000 - $60,000. To top it all off there is no sense of community whatsoever in the US, and perhaps most importantly no real higher purpose that exists in our society outside of making more money.

I think there are a lot of people who conflate a good welfare system with some kind of authoritarian socialism, usually as an excuse for why "welfare doesn't work". People here and in real life often point to South and Central American nations that were purposely destabilized by the CIA throughout the 1980s (often with anti-communist puppet dictators) as evidence, without realizing that the US played a role in some of their failures, and that Socialism and well funded government welfare programs are two entirely seperate ideas. Worse are those who know the difference fully well but believe that the homeless deserve to suffer for not working hard enough (or if they are already employed full-time, "not smart enough to fix their own mess"). Every year people freeze to death because the homeless shelters were filled to capacity (or in some areas just nonexistant) and despite what they claimed, no one really cared enough anyways.

You inherently have to be greatful being born in the US, and yet it is sad when small nations in europe or asia with significantly less gdp per capita are able to cobble together a system that puts the US to shame. It is sad when there is no community, and barely anyone who cares about it anymore.

Edit: I didn't touch heavily on the foreign policy either but it's obviously depressing to think about the amount of money over the last 60ish years wasted on pointless conflicts. A lot of times it feels like the government would rather go for being "relatively more powerful than everyone else" by using money to sabotage unfriendly nations over actual improvement of itself. Half the politicians are bribed exorbitant amounts of money by the defence corporations though so what can you expect?