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hockeymum9999

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Sep 16, 2021
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This is my first time posting on this forum, albeit I have been reading posts for quite some time.

Are there any moms that are struggling with wanting to die? Other than my children, I have not much left to live for. I have been feeling like this for about 8 years.

I wrote a suicide note 8 years ago and every time I read it, I note how little my situation has changed. This year has been the worse and I don't want to be here anymore. I have gotten so good at hiding my emotions from my family and it will be a shock when it happens.

I have had a plan in place for quite some time but have not followed through with it because I am scared of screwing it up. It seems ironic that I want to die because of the numerous failures in my life but I can't follow through with it because I am scared of failing.

Anyone else feel that way?
 
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SuicidallyCurious

Enlightened
Dec 20, 2020
1,715
I'm not a mom but recently I got a somewhat unexpected text from someone who is that they want to die.

Because they are a mom I refuse to encourage suicidal behavior especially given the child is very young.

If she wasn't a mother I would 100 percent want her as a CTB partner even though I've never envisaged going with a partner
 
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piger

Every waking moment I spiral further into insanity
Dec 11, 2021
75
I lost my father young and grew up with a bitch mom. I say she's a bitch because she was dumb and annoying, but she really tried to care for me; which funny enough isn't giving much return anymore. I felt like I've ruined her life by existing and we both give each other a lot of shit a lot. She's lost a lot as well, with what I've seen been her rationale and sanity. The death of a parent will leave holes in their hearts of their children and those around them never to filled.

I have similar feelings as you with not being able to die. My ties to this world however are completely broken, I failed the one person I was living for, But for some reason I still live and for that hate myself for it every moment of everyday in my self-made hell. You are living for your kids. To be able to nurture and pour your pride into someone so that they can be better than you and for you to be able to see and be there with them during their ups and downs is a beautiful thing. For now and all those years maybe that's been enough even if you haven't acknowledged it like that.
 
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Pluto

Cat Extremist
Dec 27, 2020
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You're 100% not alone, as postpartum depression is a thing. It's very likely that there are support groups in your area.

One of my friends privately even had the thought of taking her kids with her, though she's ultimately soldiered on. Sometimes it was hard to see eye to eye as I wanted to CTB for the exact opposite reason - my lack of family and my rotting alone, while she felt she had too many people demanding her attention. Yet somehow we ended up in the same state.

Also, I have had multiple other people confess to me that they might have CTB-ed were it not for their kids. I know it's very unfashionable to admit it here but I love kids despite respecting all of the arguments in favour of being childless, and missing out on that deep connection has ended up making suicide seem unavoidable. If only you lived in Australia we could hang out. :pfff:
 
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hockeymum9999

Member
Sep 16, 2021
38
I don't have postpartum de
You're 100% not alone, as postpartum depression is a thing. It's very likely that there are support groups in your area.

One of my friends privately even had the thought of taking her kids with her, though she's ultimately soldiered on. Sometimes it was hard to see eye to eye as I wanted to CTB for the exact opposite reason - my lack of family and my rotting alone, while she felt she had too many people demanding her attention. Yet somehow we ended up in the same state.

Also, I have had multiple other people confess to me that they might have CTB-ed were it not for their kids. I know it's very unfashionable to admit it here but I love kids despite respecting all of the arguments in favour of being childless, and missing out on that deep connection has ended up making suicide seem unavoidable. If only you lived in Australia we could hang out. :pfff:
My kids are 15, 18 and almost 20. They are a bit old for me to have postpartum depression.
 
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mboo

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I think those ages are some of the hardest. especially alone.
 
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Starryeyes

Experienced
Sep 22, 2021
237
Yes I feel like that and have children. I have been on antidepressants for a long time and tried to have therapy. It sucks to feel like your kids are better off without you. Some people don't even try and understand just give me shit for feeling low like I'm somehow immune to it because I had a baby. Some people don't understand depression usually comes after the children like we are somehow meant to predict feeling like it. This is why I'm alone and don't bother trying to have friends
 
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hockeymum9999

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Sep 16, 2021
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Yes I feel like that and have children. I have been on antidepressants for a long time and tried to have therapy. It sucks to feel like your kids are better off without you. Some people don't even try and understand just give me shit for feeling low like I'm somehow immune to it because I had a baby. Some people don't understand depression usually comes after the children like we are somehow meant to predict feeling like it. This is why I'm alone and don't bother trying to have friends
I am still married on paper but it has been over for about 10 years. We have been married for almost 23 years and together for almost 28 years. We don't actually fight and he isn't a bad guy. It makes it very lonely to be in a loveless non-abusive marriage. I can't seem to find a job that I can hold down for long. I am financially dependent on him as are the kids.

It sucks not having anyone to talk to that won't shame me for wanting to ctb. I have gotten so good at masking how I truly feel inside - a bit failure and disappointment.

I wish I could see a glimmer of sunshine at the end of the tunnel. But the tunnel has been dark for 10 years. I wish I would just not wake up one morning.
 
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Starryeyes

Experienced
Sep 22, 2021
237
I am still married on paper but it has been over for about 10 years. We have been married for almost 23 years and together for almost 28 years. We don't actually fight and he isn't a bad guy. It makes it very lonely to be in a loveless non-abusive marriage. I can't seem to find a job that I can hold down for long. I am financially dependent on him as are the kids.

It sucks not having anyone to talk to that won't shame me for wanting to ctb. I have gotten so good at masking how I truly feel inside - a bit failure and disappointment.

I wish I could see a glimmer of sunshine at the end of the tunnel. But the tunnel has been dark for 10 years. I wish I would just not wake up one morning.
I'm happy to talk to you if you need. No judgement here
 
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Supersadmommy90

Student
Sep 24, 2019
186
Yes, I have ppd and my kids are young. Being in an abusive relationship w kids dad hasn't helped. It's become seriously unrewarding devoting my 24/7 to having kids w a man who is impossible to love. What was supposed to be the most fulfilling thing… has turned into an empty experience that is truly selfless and more for my kids sake than mine. As I find it difficult to enjoy motherhood as a single mom. Sometimes I think I might off myself from sleep deprivation alone…. Has me crying and in tears. Normal people have family members to relieve them from childcare so they can rest. Something as simple as a nap would do wonders for my depression and it is dehumanizing to not be able to sleep ever. Plus I have insomnia and hair loss… literally can't wait until this hell I live in is over
 
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EndlessDespair

Lonely
Nov 6, 2022
114
For anyone who has kids, and are thinking to ctb, please wait until your kids are adults and are able to fend for themselves. Especially if you're a single mom. Growing up in the system is not good experience. You brought them into this world, so it's up to you to take care of them, so they can have a chance at living a good life.
 
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Cat Extremist
Dec 27, 2020
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You brought them into this world, so it's up to you to take care of them, so they can have a chance at living a good life.
That seems logical, but I don't feel I can judge having not been in that situation myself.

From mothers I've spoken to, the issue tends to be lacking support and being expected to cope with unlimited stress, endless expenses and non-stop chores. Partners may be absent or may be adding to the difficulties. Nobody should have to go through this. It's a horrible situation.

Feeling guilt actually adds to the suicidal feelings. God forbid these poor women are allowed to actually have problems of their own and get support with them. Hats off to them.
 
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EndlessDespair

Lonely
Nov 6, 2022
114
That seems logical, but I don't feel I can judge having not been in that situation myself.

From mothers I've spoken to, the issue tends to be lacking support and being expected to cope with unlimited stress, endless expenses and non-stop chores. Partners may be absent or may be adding to the difficulties. Nobody should have to go through this. It's a horrible situation.

Feeling guilt actually adds to the suicidal feelings. God forbid these poor women are allowed to actually have problems of their own and get support with them. Hats off to them.
They knew what they were getting into when they got pregnant and had the child. If they weren't up for the task, abortion and plan b is accessible.

I will never support any mother that ctb while they still have kids that are dependent on them. That is simply not fair for the child, and can cause mental health issues for them.
 
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Pluto

Cat Extremist
Dec 27, 2020
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I will never support any mother that ctb while they still have kids that are dependent on them.
I agree that we should offer all possible care and support to them to try and help them to push on. But please understand that nobody can know what it is like being a parent until it has actually happened. Nobody knows how the future will turn out, or how their relationships will end up. You and I are lucky we do not have the stress of any young lives depending on us, difficult relationships, etc.
 
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EndlessDespair

Lonely
Nov 6, 2022
114
You and I are lucky we do not have the stress of any young lives depending on us, difficult relationships, etc.
I wouldn't say lucky, as it is unfortunate that i won't be able to have kids. Though, If I was able to have a child, I would have someone to live for, and it would motivate me to keep going so my kid can have a chance at a better life.
 
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Pluto

Cat Extremist
Dec 27, 2020
5,077
I wouldn't say lucky,
I agree with that too. I'm nervous to admit that lack of family is a major part of why I'm suicidal. It's all so ironical that both being a parent, or not being a parent are both reasons life can become unbearable. Doesn't life suck! :devil:

PS. Apologies to OP for butting in. I am not trying to make this thread about myself.
 
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Anonymus

Enlightened
May 6, 2022
1,355
They knew what they were getting into when they got pregnant and had the child. If they weren't up for the task, abortion and plan b is accessible.

I will never support any mother that ctb while they still have kids that are dependent on them. That is simply not fair for the child, and can cause mental health issues for them.
This is not the way to solve anything. A person is suffering inordinately for a life he can't stand and your advice is to put up with it for the sake of his children when in fact his children are also living this situation (of this you can be sure). If she keeps this up anything pretty nasty can happen (we know too much about these things already) for all concerned.

The least bad solution is that she can get her life together while someone else takes care of her children until she finds the heart to take over.

I am tired of reading news of suicides and infanticides where everyone claims that action should have been taken sooner. You can't force anyone to go much further than they can handle.

(It seems to me that my reply is harsher than necessary in its tone, it is not intentional. I'm sorry if you all perceive it that way).

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Així no sol·lucionem rés. Una persona està patint de forma desmesurada per una vida que no suporta i el teu consell es que s'aguanti pel bé dels seus fills quan en realitat els seus fills també estàn vivint aquesta situació (d'això pots estar-ne segur). Si continua així pot passar qualsevol cosa força desagradable (ja en sabem massa d'aquestes coses) per totes les persones implicades.

La sol·lució menys dolenta es que ella pugui refer la seva vida mentre's algú altre s'ocupa del seus fills fins que es vegi amb cor de fer-se'n càrrec.

Estic cansat de llegir notícies de suïcidis i infanticidis on tothom assegura que s'hauría d'haver actuat abans. No es pot forçar a ningú a anar molt més enllà del que pot suportar.

(Em sembla que la meva replica és mes dura del necessari en el seu to, no és pas intencionat. Ho sento si ho percebeu així).
 
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LetMeFree
Apr 22, 2019
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I'm a mom and I love my kids but I don't love life. I'm here in the doctors office now unsure what to say. Not like I can tell them I cut myself last night and all I want to do is die. But what about my children?! How can I leave them. It's so damn hard!!!
 
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EndlessDespair

Lonely
Nov 6, 2022
114
This is not the way to solve anything. A person is suffering inordinately for a life he can't stand and your advice is to put up with it for the sake of his children when in fact his children are also living this situation (of this you can be sure). If she keeps this up anything pretty nasty can happen (we know too much about these things already) for all concerned.

The least bad solution is that she can get her life together while someone else takes care of her children until she finds the heart to take over.

I am tired of reading news of suicides and infanticides where everyone claims that action should have been taken sooner. You can't force anyone to go much further than they can handle.

(It seems to me that my reply is harsher than necessary in its tone, it is not intentional. I'm sorry if you all perceive it that way).

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Així no sol·lucionem rés. Una persona està patint de forma desmesurada per una vida que no suporta i el teu consell es que s'aguanti pel bé dels seus fills quan en realitat els seus fills també estàn vivint aquesta situació (d'això pots estar-ne segur). Si continua així pot passar qualsevol cosa força desagradable (ja en sabem massa d'aquestes coses) per totes les persones implicades.

La sol·lució menys dolenta es que ella pugui refer la seva vida mentre's algú altre s'ocupa del seus fills fins que es vegi amb cor de fer-se'n càrrec.

Estic cansat de llegir notícies de suïcidis i infanticidis on tothom assegura que s'hauría d'haver actuat abans. No es pot forçar a ningú a anar molt més enllà del que pot suportar.

(Em sembla que la meva replica és mes dura del necessari en el seu to, no és pas intencionat. Ho sento si ho percebeu així).
I simply do not agree with parents who ctb while their kids are still reliant on them. How exactly are the kids "living the same situation"??? Don't make sense to me.

Do not bring a child in the world if you struggle with mental health, it's as simple as that. The child did not choose to live, the mom made that choice for them. leaving your child alone to suffer in this world, is disgusting and selfish. Parents that ctb can cause their young children to have mental health issues, which will eventually lead to depression.

How can you ctb knowing that the child you forced in this world will likely experience the same thing, because you couldn't wait until they were adults.
 
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Regen

I stay in my power
Aug 20, 2020
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I try very hard to stay in life because of my children.

They did not decide to be born. Or to be born with a depressive mum. I am alone with them, If I die their life will change in every single thing. It would be traumatic for their hole life.

I dont want to give them the pain I had. So I really try to stay alive and to be the best mum I can.

If Things grow worse, I would better give them to another Family then to leave them by comitting suicide.

Sometimes it is very difficult to stay alive. Then I daydream how they come home and the home is empty and lost of mum love. That helps me to go on.
 
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Anonymus

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May 6, 2022
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I simply do not agree with parents who ctb while their kids are still reliant on them. How exactly are the kids "living the same situation"??? Don't make sense to me.

Do not bring a child in the world if you struggle with mental health, it's as simple as that. The child did not choose to live, the mom made that choice for them. leaving your child alone to suffer in this world, is disgusting and selfish. Parents that ctb can cause their young children to have mental health issues, which will eventually lead to depression.

How can you ctb knowing that the child you forced in this world will likely experience the same thing, because you couldn't wait until they were adults.
What I am saying is that in the newspapers, from time to time, there are infanticides by mothers who have not been able to withstand the pressure of the life they lead and who at the same time also commit suicide.

It is not possible to know how a person driven to the extreme is going to react in a very deteriorated personal situation. We are not talking about personal decisions, we are literally talking about enduring until literally exploding, precisely that which we always criticize of those who want to force others to live, no matter who, until the end of their days.

Right now she does not see herself capable of giving the attention she needs to her children, exposing herself and others to an unforeseeable situation. No one can be forced to live in such a desperate situation in which the only way out is to end her life.
You have to help her and this means understanding that there are no good solutions, but there are less bad ones. And what do I mean when I say that her children are already suffering? I mean that they will surely remember everything that she is going through and the discomfort that this abnormal situation is causing them? you can't avoid, right now, that it will affect them for the rest of their lives in one way or another.

The least bad solution is for you to stay away from your children until you can pull yourself together and take charge with assurance. Continuing right now is nonsense, it only directs her to a forced CTB and the loss of enjoying her children in the future.
That the children may never understand this decision, well it is normal, the forum is full of reproaches of users towards their parents making them responsible for all their ills, that we will do ... they will grow up I say (this does not mean that there are stories of parents who have been very raw disdainful of the appreciation for their children or have abused them).

Have you read his signature? it is clear that he has suffered more than necessary and has struggled to have a better life that he did not know how to manage. Sometimes it seems that on the forum some people forget that parents are people too, with their weaknesses and with their own mistakes loaded on top.

It is not time to reproach her for anything, it is time to help her as has been done with so many people on this forum, supporting her, giving her love and if someone knows how, directing her to follow a path that makes her feel better and allows her to lay a stronger foundation to build a new life, not excluding those she loves (including herself), with which to move forward.

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Jo el que dic, es que al diaris, de tant en tant, surten infanticidis per part de mares que no han sabut soportar la pressió per la vida que porten i que alhora també es suiciden.

No es possible saber com reaccionarà una persona portada a l'extrem en una situació personal molt deteriorada. No estem parlant de decisions personals, estem parlant literalment d'aguantar fins explotar literalment, precisament allò que sempre critiquem dels que volen forçar a viure als altres, peti qui peti, fins la fi del seus dies.

Ara mateix ella no es veu capaç de donar l'atenció que necessita als seus fills, exposant-se a si mateixa i als altres a una situació imprevisible. No es pot obligar a ningú a viure en aquesta situació tan desesperada on l'única sortida que troba es posar fi a la seva vida.
Cal ajudar-la i això passa per entendre que no hi ha solucions bones, però si menys dolentes. I que vull quan dic que els seus fills ja ho estàn patint? vull dir que segurament recordaràn tot el que està passant ella i el malestar que els hi causa a ells aquesta situació anòmala... no pots evitar, ara mateix, que els hi afecti la resta de la vida d'una manera o un altre.

La solució menys dolenta es que s'allunyi dels seus fills fins que pugui refer-se i fer-se'n càrrec amb garanties. Continuar ara mateix és un disbarat, només l'aboca al CTB forçat i la pérdua de gaudir dels seus fills en un futur.
Que els fills no comprendràn potser mai aquesta decissió, doncs és normal, el fòrum n'es ple de retrets d'usuaris cap al seus pares fent-los responsables de tots els seus mals, que hi farem.. ja creixeràn que dic jo (això no treu que hi hagin històries ben crues de pares que s'han desdit de l'estima cap als seus fills o han abusat d'ells).

Has llegit la seva signatura? es evident que ha patit mes del que calía i ha lluitat per tenir una vida millor que no ha sabut gestionar. De vegades sembla que en el fòrum alguns s'obliden que els pares també són persones, amb les seves febleses i amb els seus propis errors carregats muntanya amunt.

No es hora de retreure-li rés, és hora d'ajudar-la com amb tantes i tantes persones s'ha fet en aquest fòrum, donant-li suport, escalf i si algú sap com, adreçant-la a seguir un camí que la faci sentir millor i li permeti posar uns fonaments més forts per construïr una nova vida, sense excloure aquells que estima (inclòs a si mateixa), amb la que seguir endavant.
 
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Tesha

Life too shall pass
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I am a mother of two children. When we had them (over 10 years ago), I wasn't suicidal, I was over joyed, planning a full life of fun and adventure. That changed three years ago. I am now standing on the precipice of killing myself, knowing my children will have to live with their other parent. A parent they don't particularly relate to emotionally.

I feel like crap for just thinking about leaving them, but I feel worse thinking about forcing myself to live for the sake of someone else. That isn't a life I want. That's additional emotional torture on top of what I'm already feeling.

Suicide should never be an easy, quick decision, but the adding complication of having people who literally depend on you is stifling. Only the person who is dealing with this situation really has the insight into how difficult this decision is.

l truly feel for you, hockeymum9999.
 
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Being a mother is sacrificing in many things and for you it will be to survive, a son always needs his mother, I would live or die for a son, I would give everything, I sincerely hope that you decide to enjoy your loved ones and that God bless you and strength so that you can give them everything they need, a hug and a kiss
 
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Im.so.tired

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For anyone who has kids, and are thinking to ctb, please wait until your kids are adults and are able to fend for themselves. Especially if you're a single mom. You brought them into this world, so it's up to you to take care of them, so they can have a chance at living a good life.
Oh i thought it took two people to make a baby. Maybe the father can take care of the child after the mother is gone. Just a thought.
The child did not choose to live, the mom made that choice for them.
Again... i thought it took two people to create a child.
 
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EndlessDespair

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Oh i thought it took two people to make a baby. Maybe the father can take care of the child after the mother is gone. Just a thought.

Again... i thought it took two people to create a child.
If you're a mom, then you know a father can never replace a mother's role. No matter how much they try, it will never be the same as growing up with a mom.

And the father is not the one who chooses whether or not a child will be born. It is up to the mom, to make that decision as it is their body.

In some cases the father can surely take care of the child when the mother chooses to ctb, but it will still effect the child's life significantly.
I feel like crap for just thinking about leaving them, but I feel worse thinking about forcing myself to live for the sake of someone else.
Living for the sake of "someone else". You're children are not "someone else" they are your flesh and blood. When you decided to have them, you devoted you're life to ensure that your kids grow up, and can have a chance at an amazing life. Until your kids are adults and can fend for themselves, ctb should not be an option for you. I understand that depression can be unbearable, and a struggle to live with, but you have to keep fighting for your kids sake, thats what mothers do, they sacrifice everything to ensure their child can have a chance at a good life.

Once they are adults and you believe you can no longer keep fighting, it's up to you if you wanna leave your son/daughters life early, but by then you would have fulfilled your duty as a Mother, and you can finally rest, and choose to be at peace.
 
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b a n g
Sep 15, 2020
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If you're a mom, then you know a father can never replace a mother's role. No matter how much they try, it will never be the same as growing up with a mom.

And the father is not the one who chooses whether or not a child will be born. It is up to the mom, to make that decision as it is their body.
you have a very myopic view of parenting. same sex couples exist. adoption exists. artificial insemination exists. would be nice if you considered these factors

also, your profile is states that you are male. you are very being very judgmental of the women here, and will never be able to understand the role of a mother yourself. do women get the okay to kill themselves once their kids hit 18? or are you holding men to the same standard
 
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Mia11

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I wouldn't say lucky, as it is unfortunate that i won't be able to have kids. Though, If I was able to have a child, I would have someone to live for, and it would motivate me to keep going so my kid can have a chance at a better life.
You say that if you had a child, you would have someone to live for. You don't know that. I can't believe a member here think it's ok to lecture and judge another fellow member here. You have no clue what the OP is going through. Or actually you should have a clue since you're in this group too.
There are people with children who off themselves everyday, mothers, even more fathers, and you think that all these people were irresponsible parents who didn't love and care about your children? There were people just like you, who suffered like hell and who couldn't enjoy life and continue living. I bet these parents hurt even more because they were crushed thinking about what it would do to their kids but they simply couldn't go on. We don't know their journey, their past experiences, what they had to live through, and it's easy to say 'when you have kids, it motivates you to live'. When you hurt, you hurt and that's all there is to it, being a parent or not. Do you think that when they decided to have children, they knew that one day they'd be suicidal?
Not being in their shoes, it's not your place to talk and to assume you would have done better if you had been a parent.
 
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you have a very myopic view of parenting. same sex couples exist. adoption exists. artificial insemination exists. would be nice if you considered these factors

also, your profile is states that you are male. you are very being very judgmental of the women here, and will never be able to understand the role of a mother yourself. do women get the okay to kill themselves once their kids hit 18? or are you holding men to the same standard
You're right I can never understand what it is like to be a mother. However, I have a understanding of what a mothers role is, every mother has the same role in nature and in life. I witnessed my mother raise 7 kids, and she sacrificed so much just to make sure that we were fed, and had a house to live in. There were times when my mom would never leave her room for days, and I was worried that she would ctb, but no matter what she always made sure her kids were never hungry, and had all the basic things to live. She worked 2 jobs, but still we were poor, she would come home tired everyday. As soon as I got old enough I helped paid bills and help care for my siblings. I know it can be tough to live with depression, but I will never support a mother ctb while she still has a role to fulfill.

Don't get me wrong, I am pro choice, and understand that mothers sometimes have alot on their plates, and their quality of life can be terrible, but all I'm asking is that they wait until their job as a parent is done, and the child is an adult and can fend for themselves.
You say that if you had a child, you would have someone to live for. You don't know that. I can't believe a member here think it's ok to lecture and judge another fellow member here. You have no clue what the OP is going through. Or actually you should have a clue since you're in this group too.
There are people with children who off themselves everyday, mothers, even more fathers, and you think that all these people were irresponsible parents who didn't love and care about your children? There were people just like you, who suffered like hell and who couldn't enjoy life and continue living. I bet these parents hurt even more because they were crushed thinking about what it would do to their kids but they simply couldn't go on. We don't know their journey, their past experiences, what they had to live through, and it's easy to say 'when you have kids, it motivates you to live'. When you hurt, you hurt and that's all there is to it, being a parent or not. Do you think that when they decided to have children, they knew that one day they'd be suicidal?
Not being in their shoes, it's not your place to talk and to assume you would have done better if you had been a parent.
Until the mother fulfills their role as a mom ctb should not be an options. I AM NOT AGAINST CTB. If you brought a child in the world without giving them a choice, then you can't sabotage their life because you didn't want to fulfil ur role as a Mother. You will not find any mom in nature ctb, because they couldnt handle life anymore. Unless they die, from natural causes, they will always fulfil their roles as a mom, until the child leaves the nest and can fend for themselves.
 
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Jun 9, 2022
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I can only say I know that sticking around purely to avoid destroying someone else's life is a special kind of feeling trapped. If you've been so absolutely miserable that you can't go on any longer, then you really are to be pitied. Haven't you held out absolutely for as long as you can for your kids? Then ctb with a clean conscience. We'll all join you in oblivion sooner or later.
 
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You're right I can never understand what it is like to be a mother. However, I have a understanding of what a mothers role is, every mother has the same role in nature and in life. I witnessed my mother raise 7 kids, and she sacrificed so much just to make sure that we were fed, and had a house to live in. There were times when my mom would never leave her room for days, and I was worried that she would ctb, but no matter what she always made sure her kids were never hungry, and had all the basic things to live. She worked 2 jobs, but still we were poor, she would come home tired everyday. As soon as I got old enough I helped paid bills and help care for my siblings. I know it can be tough to live with depression, but I will never support a mother ctb while she still has a role to fulfill.

Don't get me wrong, I am pro choice, and understand that mothers sometimes have alot on their plates, and their quality of life can be terrible, but all I'm asking is that they wait until their job as a parent is done, and the child is an adult and can fend for themselves.

Until the mother fulfills their role as a mom ctb should not be an options. I AM NOT AGAINST CTB. If you brought a child in the world without giving them a choice, then you can't sabotage their life because you didn't want to fulfil ur role as a Mother. You will not find any mom in nature ctb, because they couldnt handle life anymore. Unless they die, from natural causes, they will always fulfil their roles as a mom, until the child leaves the nest and can fend for themselves.
Your mother seems to be a great mother who did what millions of mothers and fathers do everyday: sacrifice, provide and care for their children.
However, I don't think you got the point which is : doesn't matter you have children, when life is pure torture, you can't see any other solution. Some parents even think their children will be better without them. This is very sad but when someone has poor self esteem and see themselves as a nothing, they think that they're not good enough for their kids.
And by the way, you talk only about mothers and say they shouldn't ctb until kids are grown.
Do you hold fathers to the same standard because let me tell you, a father is as important as a mother. It's actually sad that family courts always assume that the mom is the most important parent. A lot of fathers have been shortchanged and had their kids taken away because of this kind of mentality.
I also disagree with other points you made (ex: when you say that children once adults are less affected by the loss of a parent) but I will leave it to that. I wish some people were not as harsh in their judgments and would show more compassion and understanding.
 
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