Any Doctors Here

[Ms.Starr]

I am curious about whether any medical professionals (doctor, nurse) are available on the site because I have a few medical questions I need to ask in relation to cbt'ing. There is no need to "out" yourself below; just contact me directly. I would like to advoid risks of certain methods of cbt'ing that I experienced with past attempts.

I has been six years since my last attempt and I ready again. I can't speak for any other member. I have been suffering such a long time.This isn't an overnight decision. My first suicide attempt was at age ten years old. I have been suffering my entire life.

Mental health issues are not why I want to cbt though. This society and my lived experiences are. I have come to my own conclusions about my life, myself, people, the world I live in ect. It is beyond having i.e. depression. I have far more things to consider that have went into this decision.

There are permanent consequences for behavior of others and your own actions that have ripple effects throughout your future. People opposed to the site forget we are more than depressed people. We have lived experience to base our decisions on.

Not that my encounters with psychiatric abuse by therapist and cruelty in psychiatric facilities has helped my will to live. Both as a minor and adult I have accumulative life experiences related to mental health industry and others non-related that have helped me to be at peace with the end of my life . I am now in my late thirties and never been more certain that "cbt" is my right to utilize as a consenting adult. I am on this forum seeking support for myself so I can end with dignity and my human rights respected.

I have had my entire adult life to come to this decision so it is not being made in haste or without careful thought and consideration. I have no family, friends, children, or pets. I am entirely completely alone in the world and have been for a long time. I am of sound mind, calm, collected, and extremely high functioning. If you are a medical professional and take the time to talk to me you will realize this. Thank you!

 

[Elle]

I don't think there are doctors on here, but someone might know.

 

[GasMonkey]

A doctor used to a post a lot here (@Greenberg), but he's no longer around.

I have no family, friends, children, or pets.

The positive side of that is that you don't have anybody to hurt with your death.

 

[Ms.Starr]

A doctor used to a post a lot here (@Greenberg), but he's no longer around.


The positive side of that is that you don't have anybody to hurt with your death.

Exactly! That is why I included that. I can't speak for any other member but myself. If someone is debating whether to help me to complete cbt I want to reassure them that I am being responsible. I don't have any attachments to any person, place, or thing. I am not leaving behind anyone or anything I am responsible for.

I am a chronically homeless mentally ill transient. No one is even going to notice I am missing(gone). No one is in my life so there will be no one to file a missing person's report. I have no social connections. I am part of an invisible element of society.

The point being I don't want people like a medical professional or anyone else to have reservations based on thinking I have family and friends. The truth is no one needs to feel bad about helping me. It is not like I have kids and they would be contributing to why they wouldn't have a mother anymore ect... No kids, never married, single, no friends or family. It is already like I don't exist.

I am not a fully functional adult nor person in general. I have endured so much trauma, abuse, injustice ect my mind just began deteriorating. My health is deteriorating. I have an extremely low quality of life and I am never at peace. Passing would be mercy at this point. There comes a time when a person must make a choice. I have made mine and want some advice so things go smoothly.

 

[befree]

But you don't expect the person to help you to commit suicide ?

 

[Ms.Starr]

But you don't expect the person to help you to commit suicide ?

What are you even talking about...?

Posting for advice is not the same thing as posting for a partner!

A member with a medical background providing medical information online to help understand medical risks associated with cbt does not constitute them being a cbt partner. So, your question doesn't even make sense therefore I can not answer it.

Nothing in my post nor comments in the thread pertain to a cbt partner. As the title clearly implied I want to speak with a medical professional who is a member on the site. Your question is out of context and confusing. Normally, requesting to ask a person questions pertaining to their profession is just that. They have no other obligations beyond that to become involved as a "partner".

I think you should make sure you understand the post and the OP's comments before you start creating narratives that don't exist in their content.

Why do you assume that giving a person advice means they should have to cbt with the person? People post for advice all the time. By your logic everyone who provides it should cbt with them?

I have no idea what you are trying in infer but you seem confused and your question doesn't pertain to my post.

A side note: Members are not allowed to police another member's decisions around cbt'ing. I think you are trying to inflame my post for some reason. I think you should worry about your own cbt plans not try to critique mine which you clearly don't understand and don't need too. The site is about free will and human rights. However a member decides to cbt is up to them and should not be policed by you nor anyone here.

 

[befree]

I can't understand your overreaction. Who said partner? Nobody. But there is a big difference between suicide partner (you are not looking for as you say) and assisted suicide, e.g. by a medical professional. Therefore my question was not negative and is completely misinterpreted by you.

Yes, everyone should decide for himself whether he wants to end his life. That´s why this forum exists.

 

[Ms.Starr]

I can't understand your overreaction. Who said partner? Nobody. But there is a big difference between suicide partner (you are not looking for as you say) and assisted suicide, e.g. by a medical professional. Therefore my question was not negative and is completely misinterpreted by you.

Yes, everyone should decide for himself whether he wants to end his life. That´s why this forum exists.

Me merely issuing a response to your question is not "overreacting". You were policing my post/what you thought was my method. Maybe you should stick to your own words that everyone has a right to decide for himself. If you had you wouldn't have been policing me.

My post is not for medical assisted suicide. You are just making stuff up at this point. Asking a medical professional questions using the chat feature on here DOES NOT constitute medical assisted suicide. You are creating narratives that don't exist (again).

You should look up the definition of what actual medical assisted suicide is. It doesn't consist of an casual online conversation. I am not the only member seeking advice yet you target my post. Why?

You also are backtracking from your first comment that does pertain to you assuming my post/comments pertained to a cbt partner. So, please be honest about it. You wanted to know why I supposedly didn't expect the person who provided me help through answering medical questions to cbt with me. Asking a person questions doesn't mean they have to cbt with me. Now you bring up medical assisted suicide which my thread also does not discuss. I have no idea what post you are reading but it must not be mine. You are making things up.

People are allowed to provide advice and information to each other on here yet you question me about why a person who may offer me advice isn't going to cbt with me. What are you even talking about. Members can offer support, help through their personal knowledge, and ect without actively participating in cbt with them. Why are you inflaming my post?

If everyone has a right to decide then why are you policing my post and questioning what you erroneously thought my plan was? You are distracting from the purpose of my post with weird prying questions and assumptions that have nothing to do with the purpose of my post which is not medically assisted suicide nor seeking a partner.

 

[saddestbunny]

it might be more fruitful for you to simply ask the questions in a thread. lots of people on this site are quite knowledgeable about different aspects of Ctb - this is basically asking to ask no offense

I hope you find the peace you are looking for

 

[befree]

LOL, something is wrong with you.

My post is not for medical assisted sucide. You are just making stuff up at this point. You also are backtracking from your first comment that does pertain to you assuming my post/comments pertained to a cbt partner. You are creating narratives that don't exist (again).

Again: My question was not negative and is completely misinterpreted by you.

You should look up the definition of what actual medical assisted suicide is.

Read my posts and you know that I have helped people apply for VAD for many years, not only in this forum, but in real life. But this is not the topic of this thread.

 

[Ms.Starr]

Again: My question was not negative and is completely misinterpreted by you.

Read my posts and you know that I have helped people apply for VAD for many years, not only in this forum, but in real life. But this is not the topic of this thread.

I don't need to reread your original question. I did not misinterpret it. You misinterpreted my post and comments I left in the thread and you refuse to take accountability for your error. You should reread what I posted and my comments because you have made two implications about my content that are blatantly fasle. What you do in your free time has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Which is you misinterpreting my content.

 

[befree]

you refuse to take accountability for your error.

Now it becomes ridiculous and boring at the same time.

I´m going to bed. Good night and sweat dreams !

 

[Ms.Starr]

Again: My question was not negative and is completely misinterpreted by you.

Read my posts and you know that I have helped people apply for VAD for many years, not only in this forum, but in real life. But this is not the topic of this thread.

I don't want to read your content. What does your content even have to do with what we are talking about? The point is you misinterpreted my post and was policing it.

Now it becomes ridiculous and boring at the same time.

I´m going to bed. Good night and sweat dreams !

Good Riddens! How convenient I call out your behavior that you can't justify or excuse. Then instead of take accountability you exit the conversation. I knew you were trolling from the start.

Trolls inflame post then abruptly exit when they have been confronted with their disruptive inappropriate behavior. Stop policing people's post and cbt plans. You don't even know what mine are and questioning me about it.

This sites encourages the freedom for everyone to choose their own path. I don't have to answer to you. What is worse you didn't even know what you were talking about. Yes, please go away. Finally!

Again: My question was not negative and is completely misinterpreted by you.

Read my posts and you know that I have helped people apply for VAD for many years, not only in this forum, but in real life. But this is not the topic of this thread.

Yes, NOTHING you have commented has anything to do with the topic of my thread is the WHOLE point! You finally get it. Therefore I am not overreacting. You have been making comments that have nothing to do with the purpose of my post. EXACTLY MY POINT!

it might be more fruitful for you to simply ask the questions in a thread. lots of people on this site are quite knowledgeable about different aspects of Ctb - this is basically asking to ask no offense

I hope you find the peace you are looking for

I hear you. I understand what you are saying. However, just because others prefer to take that route doesn't mean I should. You don't know the reason why I choose this route instead of the one you mentioned; that is commonly used.

I have my reasons and I am content with seeking the information I need directly through a medical professional. Opposed to a random member who may provide me harmful inaccurate information because they don't have a medical background. Which has already happened and almost left me paralyzed(true story). I tried the route you recommended and it was a horrible idea. I am need medically accurate information so I will have the greatest chance of being successful in my pursuit.

Most people share advice about certain stuff with confidence here. Sometimes stating their opinions as facts. Sometimes what is shared may be helpful and factual. However, everything should be heavily vetted. I was so desperate for help that I bypassed common sense. Now I read random threads about cbt then do my own research. It would be great though to connect with a member who is pro-choice and can provide medically accurate answers to my questions.

I know the intention by most members is to be helpful by sharing what is in their knowledge bank. Most of us can relate to wanting to cbt. Intent doesn't impact result.

People are playing Russia Roulette with their lives following random advice about how to cbt on here. Definitely, sharing knowledge is good but I encourage everyone to do their own research.

Everyone has a right to take chances and risks that make sense to them though. I am extremely pro-choice. I don't blame the members for me almost becoming paralyzed. I was stupid and choose to blindly follow their advice. I should have vetted the information better. I think they thought what they shared was accurate. I don't believe any of them had any malice. They were trying to be helpful in best way they knew how.

However, a medical professional would have been able to dismiss their errors. I came so close to losing my ability to move from neck down. I bought the recommended thing and followed the advice here verbatim.

For me personally, I will never be as naive again. I may take what a random member says into consideration in general but when it comes to medical questions I am going to reserve them for the appropriate people.

Posting in general for advice may garner quicker responses. If I posted the way you suggested I would have had tons of comments already; I know that. The factuality of them I would not know though. However, trying to connect with members who actually have a medical background is a way to get more accurate medical advice; if any even exist on the site.

I appreciate where your advice came from. I know you were trying to be helpful and made the suggestion to try to connect me with the help I need. Thank you for your suggestion. It is a reflection of how helpful most users are and wanting to be of assistance if they can to others here. Take Care

 

[saddestbunny]

Hm, I would assume any advice provided here would be well researched by the asker before being taken to heart, but U do u boo, maybe that's just me since I'm more cautious than trusting random members

 

[Ms.Starr]

Hm, I would assume any advice provided here would be well researched by the asker before being taken to heart, but U do u boo

Or someone could do what I did and try to connect with a member who actually has a medical background opposed to your suggestion of asking random members who most don't work in the medical field boo... I strongly feel if you believed that you wouldn't have suggested I post medical questions to random users who may not have a medical background opposed to just directly seeking a member with a medical background. I am not ashamed to share what happened because members like you will continue to encourage people to seek advice from the general population about things that a professional should really be sought for. Nothing wrong with asking the general population. Everyone needs to do what makes the most sense to them. My post is a better idea than trying to post for specifics about medical aspects to the general population opposed to attempting locating an actual medical professional on the site. I hope people read what happened to me and don't make the same mistake I did. Lots of people do on here. They post the way you suggested and think members really know what they are talking about. Sometimes they do but usually their knowledge base is sources from the same resources the asker has access to vet it: the internet. This is why seeking an actual medical professional makes sense. I may not find one on here but it was worth the try to achieve my desired result with less chance of failure.

 

[saddestbunny]

Or someone could do what I did and try to connect with a member who actually has a medical background

you wouldn't fully know if they gave you good advice either without researching :) but I'm glad you're trying a way U think will be good - best of luck in ur search

 

[Ms.Starr]

you wouldn't fully know if they gave you good advice either without researching :) but I'm glad you're trying a way U think will be good - best of luck in ur search

You don't know that. People can verify their medical background. I have spoken to people offline. If you gain a member's trust they may open up if they think you are genuine. Lots of medical professionals are for our cause. You would be surprised how many believe in this human right and may be on sites like this. Canada just legalized Euthanasia for mental health suffers. There are medical professionals on our side and see cbt as a human right. A closed mouth doesn't get fed. If you don't ask you will never know. Which is why I made a clarion call via my post that if they are here I would love an opportunity to speak with them.

Someone offering medical advice they sourced from the internet then me using the internet to try to verify it is not the best method. If possible, getting in contact with a medical professional who can be trusted i.e. a member pro-choice, is everyone's best bet. The internet has confusing misleading contradictory information. The asker and the respondent on the site are so limited in verifying things beyond a certain point for surety.

I appreciate you trying to be helpful. I had to share my experience though so you understand why I had to reject it and why it may not be a good idea. You take care too. Yes, I am doing my best to have the most successful result. All any of us can do is try out best. Most of us are already so broken down and worn out. It is hard.

I really want a wholehearted genuine cbt. I have to get it right this time. That is so important to me. This isn't a game to me. I am not having a depressive moment that will pass. I take cbt seriously and really want this last time to end this once and for all.

 

[saddestbunny]

You don't know that. People can verify their medical background. I have spoken to people offline. If you gain a member's trust they may open up if they think you are genuine. Lots of medical professionals are for our cause. You would be surprised how many believe in this human right and may be on sites like this. Canada just legalized Euthanasia for mental health suffers. There are medical professionals on our side and see cbt as a human right. A closed mouth doesn't get fed. If you don't ask you will never know. Which is why I made a clarion call via my post that if they are here I would love an opportunity to speak with them. Someone offering medical advice they sourced from the internet then me using the internet to try to verify it is not the best method. If possible, getting in contact with a medical professional medical who can be trusted i.e. a member pro-choice, is everyone's best bet. The internet has confusing misleading contradictory information. The asker and the respondent on the site are so limited in verifying things beyond a certain point for surety. I appreciate your trying to be helpful. I had to share my experience though so you understand why I had to reject it and why it may not be a good idea. You take care too. Yes, I am doing my best to have the most successful result. All amy of us can do is try out best. Most of us are already so broken down and worn out. It is hard.

hope U find what ur looking for :) if you trust ppl like that I see why you're cautious after your first attempt

I wouldn't trust anyone even with a medical background, but I hope u find the person ur looking for to give U the factual information ur looking for

 

[Ms.Starr]

hope U find what ur looking for :) if you trust ppl like that I see why you're cautious after your first attempt

I wouldn't trust anyone even with a medical background, but I hope u find the person ur looking for to give U the factual information ur looking for

Oh, that wasn't my first attempt. My first attempt was when I was ten years old. The first time wasn't a success. The second time almost killed me. They had to pump my stomach and put me in the pediatric intensive care.

The attempt related to the site happened after I joined the site and seen so many post of members providing detailed information about cbt. It was a method I had never thought to try before.

I thought people knew what they were talking about. Members have followed advice on the site and been successful. It was not entirely illogical assumption. Hence, people wanting to shut the site down due to accuracy of advice sometimes.

It was a poison. They usually kill you if you ingest enough. I won't go into too much detail but if you would have been in the situation you may have done the same thing. People can be very convincing on here. Everything could sound totally legit. It can be disarming.

Yes, you do have to do your own research like you said. I asked the right questions and even looked up things like the poison and method recommended. I browsed medical sites for info about the nature of the poison ingested. People said they knew people who tried that method.

Sometimes it is the blind leading the blind on here. If both people use the internet to vet their info it may differ from site to site. Both parties may find the same faulty information on sites apparently validating invalid information.

This is why I support Euthanasia for anyone who wants it. It allows people to have the medical support they need to pass with dignity. All methods have a failure rate hence my obsession with accuracy. I really truly want to pass. Medically assisted death is a certain way to pass but there is so much resistance to our community.

It is so unfortunate Euthanasia is not legal in my country for mental health suffers. If it was we could pass with dignity. Instead, we are reduced to trying to plan our exit ourselves. Which leaves so much room for errors. I wish they would approve Euthanasia in my country for people like me. I wouldn't even need to experiment and figure out dosages, where to buy, or how to tie a knot, or how to point "it" the right way. I just want a way out...

Thank you for wishing me I need it. I hope everyone, including you, finds your happy ending. Whatever that may be for you.

 

[saddestbunny]

I understand, I hope you find the peace you search for <3

 

[Ms.Starr]

I understand, I hope you find the peace you search for <3

Thank you @saddestbunny

 

[befree]

Good Riddens! How convenient I call out your behavior that you can't justify or excuse. Then instead of take accountability you exit the conversation. I knew you were trolling from the start.

I'm not going to spend all night on the forum to keep reading your inappropriate texts. I've been going to bed at 10:30 pm all my life. And as for the "troll", you should read the rules of this forum before you insult anyone.

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[Ms.Starr]

I understand, I hope you find the peace you search for <3

I'm not going to spend all night on the forum to keep reading your inappropriate texts. I've been going to bed at 10:30 pm all my life. And as for the "troll", you should read the rules of this forum before you insult anyone.

Rules and FAQ

Sanctioned Suicide Welcome to Sanctioned Suicide, a suicide discussion forum. We provide a safe space to discuss the topic of suicide without the censorship of other places, as well a community that can understand you and let you be yourself without judging you or forcing you to do anything...

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Stop harassing me! If you feel I broke a rule the appropriate mature way to handle that without being dramatic is to simply report me. If I have broken a rule the (actual mods) of which you aren't one or site owner will handle it.

There is no need for you to keep coming back doing this further inflaming the situation. Let the mods and site owner handle it! Whatever decision they make I will accept but lets get one thing clear I don't have to answer to you! You don't intimidate me. I will always defend myself no matter the outcome.

You won't because your behavior is problematic which is why you choose to make more instigative comments instead of just report me if you think I have broken a rule.

If you don't stop I will report YOU. I have been on this site a while and dealt with leading questions like yours met to police member's content to start drama. I know what you were trying to do and I tried to put a stop to it. Even you forcing the word s**de when I used the word cbt frequently is you being problematic. I wanted advice from a medical professional relating to medical risks associated with (cbt). There is a reason why people use the specific language they use on the site and you know that!

What does your original question and follow up comments even have to do with medical advice or you being a medical professional? Exactly! Absolutely nothing.

You were not respecting my post, asking prying questions, accusing me of posting for stuff I didn't i.e. "medically assisted suicide" which isn't even legal in my country. You were being messy. You were trying to get me to engage in a narrative you wanted to analyze that was irrelevant to the purpose of my post.

A whole day has passed and you still are distracting from my post making slanderous accusations. You are the problem here not me.

 

[befree]

ridiculous