Anti antacids

[HadenoughHA]

For the SN method it mentions ranatacide of something similar to that...for curbing stomach acid.

I can't get that in the U.K. any alternatives that would work as well please

 

[Brick In The Wall]

Tagamet was the old recommendation. Milk of magnesia is a good substitute too.

 

[Jean4]

Here you go. Things you can get.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/stans-guide-to-sn.27535/

 

[Quarky00]

"ranatacide" - wonderful amalgamation of antacid and rantidine

* Antacid: neutralizes acid on the spot - magnesium hydroxide.
* Acid-reducing drug: reduce acid creation - H2-receptor antagonists only - Cimetidine,Tagamet,Rantidine,Famotidine
None crucial though helpful/recommended .

SN Guide's original thread explains more than the official guide , like this post .

 

[HadenoughHA]

Tagamet was the old recommendation. Milk of magnesia is a good substitute too.

Thank you might have to get milk of magnesia then as Tagamet is not available in U.K. now without prescription or it's been discontinued

"ranatacide" - wonderful amalgamation of antacid and rantidine

* Antacid: neutralizes acid on the spot - magnesium hydroxide.
* Acid-reducing drug: reduce acid creation - H2-receptor antagonists only - Cimetidine,Tagamet,Rantidine,Famotidine
None crucial though helpful/recommended .

SN Guide's original thread explains more than the official guide , like this post .

I hadn't even thought of that, I have made a new word! ))))))

 

[Heart of Ice]

Here you go. Things you can get.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/stans-guide-to-sn.27535/

Guide does not answer OP's question, as the guide does not name any alternatives. Well done.

 

[k75]

Guide does not answer OP's question, as the guide does not name any alternatives. Well done.

Indirectly, it does. The OP asked about one specific acid regulator. The guide says absolutely any one you can buy will work.

 

[BPD Barbie]

Aren't good antacids in the UK Gaviscon and Rennie?

 

[Quarky00]

Guide does not answer OP's question, as the guide does not name any alternatives. Well done.

True. Antacid/Magnesium in particular. And FAQ.

Stan expanded original guide. I consider these posts essential [addendum] to guide. Those does not appear in the official guide.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-a-comprehensive-guide-including-method.25148/post-456978

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-a-comprehensive-guide-including-method.25148/post-457902

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-a-comprehensive-guide-including-method.25148/post-467360

 

[Quarky00]

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Aren't good antacids in the UK Gaviscon and Rennie?

Rennie - Stan recommended anything with Magnesium Hydroxide (others may work but I follow him). Check ingredients.
Gaviscon - No Magnesium Hydroxide + its description does not feel ideal for SN, but IHDK:
"Gaviscon works by forming a raft (a protective barrier) on top of the stomach contents. The raft acts as a strong physical barrier and helps to keep stomach contents in the stomach"

 

[Terminally ill]

Here is the information Suicide wiki has on Antacids:

Using antacids (also known as acid regulators) is discouraged. The antacid section of Suicide Wiki is provided here only because you will encounter with antacids in the PPH. The PPH recommends decreasing your stomach's fluid volume to make the sodium nitrite absorbed more quickly. This can be accomplished with drugs like ranitidine, famotidine, or cimetidine that reduce the stomach acid quickly. The recommended dose in the PPH is 800mg cimetidine (sold under the brand name Tagamet), which is equivalent to 3 – 4 * 75 mg ranitidine (sold under the brand name Zantac).

Stat dose (30 – 45 minutes before SN intake)

• 800 mg cimetidine (Tagamet)

or

• 3 * 75 mg ranitidine (Zantac)

The PPH previously recommended sodium bicarbonate as absorption accelerator. The PPH argued that sodium bicarbonate would raise the stomach's fluid pH. The raise in stomach's fluid pH hindered loss of consciousness in some patients—although it was expected, given that the blood pressure—lowering effect of orally ingested nitrite was abolished when test persons were pretreated with a proton pump inhibitor (PPI) to raise gastric pH (Montenegro et al., 2016). Similar to sodium bicarbonate, the blood pressure-lowering effect of orally ingested nitrite is abolished by a proton pump inhibitor (Piknova & Schechter, 2017). Since the release of the October 2018 revision, the PPH suggests Tagamet (instead of sodium bicarbonate) and has misguidedly argued "this effect is not related to gastric pH, but rather to the production rate of acid." While the PPH still incorrectly recommends using H2 receptor antagonists, such as cimetidine and ranitidine, simply not using them will result in a more peaceful death, owing to formation of nitric oxide, a vasodilator, in acidic (Malko, Kucernak & Lopes, 2016) gastric environment—in pH less than 6.51 (Pereira, Ferreira, Rocha, Barbosa & Laranjinha, 2013)—as shown in pathway A[1|2].

Without antacid: 3NaNO2 + 2HCl → 2NaCl + NaNO3 + 2NO + H2O


Questions:

1. Why does Suicide Wiki discourage Antacids and says " While the PPH still incorrectly recommends using H2 receptor antagonists, such as cimetidine and ranitidine, simply not using them will result in a more peaceful death, owing to formation of nitric oxide"

2. In Stans guide and people here do use Antacids in most cases from what I have seen. I am only able to find Famotidine in my country. The info I found on Famotidine is the following: Famotidine prooved to be 9X more potent than Ranitidine and 32 X more potent than Cimetidine. The dosage are is 40 mgs/tablet. Would I take one or two of these?

3. Since all the information on antacids is contradictory in Wiki suicide vs PPH what would be better? Take Famotidine above or take an Acid Reducer-I can only find RENNIE tabs and that does NOT have Magnsium Hidroxide as recommended by Stan but the following ingredients: calcium carbonate, magnesium carbonate, alginic acid amongst other ingredients

So what do you suggest to do, what would you do? Thanks

 

[Quarky00]

Here is the information Suicide wiki has on Antacids:

Using antacids (also known as acid regulators) is discouraged. The antacid section of Suicide Wiki is provided here only because you will encounter with antacids in the PPH. The PPH recommends decreasing your stomach's fluid volume to make the sodium nitrite absorbed more quickly. This can be accomplished with drugs like ranitidine, famotidine, or cimetidine that reduce the stomach acid quickly. The recommended dose in the PPH is 800mg cimetidine (sold under the brand name Tagamet), which is equivalent to 3 – 4 * 75 mg ranitidine (sold under the brand name Zantac).

Stat dose (30 – 45 minutes before SN intake)

• 800 mg cimetidine (Tagamet)

or

• 3 * 75 mg ranitidine (Zantac)

The PPH previously recommended sodium bicarbonate as absorption accelerator. The PPH argued that sodium bicarbonate would raise the stomach's fluid pH. The raise in stomach's fluid pH hindered loss of consciousness in some patients—although it was expected, given that the blood pressure—lowering effect of orally ingested nitrite was abolished when test persons were pretreated with a proton pump inhibitor (PPI) to raise gastric pH (Montenegro et al., 2016). Similar to sodium bicarbonate, the blood pressure-lowering effect of orally ingested nitrite is abolished by a proton pump inhibitor (Piknova & Schechter, 2017). Since the release of the October 2018 revision, the PPH suggests Tagamet (instead of sodium bicarbonate) and has misguidedly argued "this effect is not related to gastric pH, but rather to the production rate of acid." While the PPH still incorrectly recommends using H2 receptor antagonists, such as cimetidine and ranitidine, simply not using them will result in a more peaceful death, owing to formation of nitric oxide, a vasodilator, in acidic (Malko, Kucernak & Lopes, 2016) gastric environment—in pH less than 6.51 (Pereira, Ferreira, Rocha, Barbosa & Laranjinha, 2013)—as shown in pathway A[1|2].

Without antacid: 3NaNO2 + 2HCl → 2NaCl + NaNO3 + 2NO + H2O


Questions:

1. Why does Suicide Wiki discourage Antacids and says " While the PPH still incorrectly recommends using H2 receptor antagonists, such as cimetidine and ranitidine, simply not using them will result in a more peaceful death, owing to formation of nitric oxide"

2. In Stans guide and people here do use Antacids in most cases from what I have seen. I am only able to find Famotidine in my country. The info I found on Famotidine is the following: Famotidine prooved to be 9X more potent than Ranitidine and 32 X more potent than Cimetidine. The dosage are is 40 mgs/tablet. Would I take one or two of these?

3. Since all the information on antacids is contradictory in Wiki suicide vs PPH what would be better? Take Famotidine above or take an Acid Reducer-I can only find RENNIE tabs and that does NOT have Magnsium Hidroxide as recommended by Stan but the following ingredients: calcium carbonate, magnesium carbonate, alginic acid amongst other ingredients

So what do you suggest to do, what would you do? Thanks

Hi dear:) Sorry I didn't answer your question , did not have time

Please read FAQ

Note

Wiki says not to use acid-regulators

Ignore that. Stan researched it – plain antacid or acid-regulators work well. The wiki reference was deemed Incomprehensible – here, here, here Wrong – here, here, here

Antacid are not that important

I've already said. Out of the 3 that's the least important! If you don't have it, leave it out!

 

[Shu]

@Dot This is just one if the post. If you type "nitric oxide" in search and go through the post you can find more information
@Dot sorry wrong post