Amitriptyline reliability

[121792]

Hello, I'm thinking of using the amitriptyline method but I'm worried about whether or not it will work. Also, what damage could be done if you were unsuccessful?

In the 2019 peaceful pill handbook, it says reliability is 8/10, but in the recent peaceful pill ehandbook, it says 6/10. Is this because of how long it can take to kill you - 12 to 24 hours or longer, thus increasing the risk of being found before you are dead? It says in the 2019 book that survival from amitriptyline is rare.

I never want to go back to a mental hospital again, so do you think I will be successful? 10 grams of ami with 300mg of diazepam and 30mg of metoclopramide.

Have I got anything to worry about apart from being found? I really want this method to work.
Most people here seem to be going the SN route but there doesn't seem much mention about amitriptyline.

I'd just love my mind to be put at ease and feel confident that this method will work. I won't be found as I live alone and nobody visits me.

Any info you have that would put my mind at ease would be much appreciated.

 

[LostSoul1965]

Hello, I'm thinking of using the amitriptyline method but I'm worried about whether or not it will work. Also, what damage could be done if you were unsuccessful?

In the 2019 peaceful pill handbook, it says reliability is 8/10, but in the recent peaceful pill ehandbook, it says 6/10. Is this because of how long it can take to kill you - 12 to 24 hours or longer, thus increasing the risk of being found before you are dead? It says in the 2019 book that survival from amitriptyline is rare.

I never want to go back to a mental hospital again, so do you think I will be successful? 10 grams of ami with 300mg of diazepam and 30mg of metoclopramide.

Have I got anything to worry about apart from being found? I really want this method to work.
Most people here seem to be going the SN route but there doesn't seem much mention about amitriptyline.

I'd just love my mind to be put at ease and feel confident that this method will work. I won't be found as I live alone and nobody visits me.

Any info you have that would put my mind at ease would be much appreciated.

No one can say if it will work for certain. If you follow the correct protocol as described in the PPeH then chances of success are very good.

 

[121792]

No one can say if it will work for certain. If you follow the correct protocol as described in the PPeH then chances of success are very good.

Thanks for the reply. I hope so!

 

[athiestjoe]

Also, what damage could be done if you were unsuccessful?

Greatly could depend at far along it was, if the brain lost oxygen, etc. But the biggie to consider would be that excessive amounts (TCAs like amitriptyline raise serotonin levels) may result in serotonin syndrome with symptoms like confusion, rapid heart rate, high blood pressure, and muscle rigidity. But it is hard to say what the actual liklihood would be for an attempt but I always figure people should go into an attempt with two scenarios (1) it is going to be successful and be sure it is what you want as if you can't take back the action and die well that's it and (2) be willing to deal with any permanent consequences of a failure and research what those could be for each method. So I am glad you asked as it means you are considering what's the worst case scenario for surviving the attempt and thus are not acting impulsively and trying to carefully plan your self-deliverance.

Any info you have that would put my mind at ease would be much appreciated.

I am not sure if it will put you at ease, but let me try to address a few things about this method and maybe something will be helpful, maybe not.

it can take to kill you - 12 to 24 hours or longer,

It could possibly take even longer than that 12-24 hour period. Suggestions go as high as not to be found for 48 hours.

From w o z z's Ways to a dignified self-determined death it also sounds like a pretty long, drawn out way to CTB:

Lethal dose
For all tricyclic antidepressants we recommend a dose of 6 g. For a long and deep sleep, the combination with benzodiazepine is necessary (see below). Tricyclic antidepressants slow down the digestive process and thus their own absorption. Death should normally occur 12 to 24 hours after ingestion of these deadly drugs. However, one should know that dying sometimes takes 24 to 48 hours.
In order for self-determined dying to succeed, it is essential that no life-saving measures are initiated in the first 48 hours.

Then the issue about inconsistent dosing, for example even the PPH changed its dosing over the years until it got to the current 10g. Other literature though say 6g-7.5g of the TCA:

Lethal dose

The lethal dose of all mentioned tricyclic antidepressants is given with a quantity between 6g and 7.5g.

In the book of the WOZZ - Foundation a dose of 6g is mentioned (cf. Admiraal, Chabot, Ogden, Loenen, van, Pennings: Wege zu einem humanen, selbstbestimmten Sterben, Amsterdam, 2008, p.91). Chabot gives a lethal dose of 7.5g (cf. Chabot: Dignified Dying.
A Guide. 2014, p.96). The dose of the long-acting benzodiazepine taken in combination should be at least 500mg (cf. Admiraal, Chabot, Ogden, Loenen, van, Pennings: Ways to a humane, self-determined dying, Amsterdam, 2008, p.92 and Chabot: Dignified Dying.
A Guide. 2014, p.96).
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Then as you noted the PPH says 10g (when not part of a 5-drug cocktail, 8g in the 5-drug mix). PPH suggests not being found for 24 hours, which along with wozz's mention of 48 hours sure makes this method sound not very ideal, but again I can totally understand the desire to get out of this miserable world and looking for an available method.

It sounds you have previous copies, you will also notice the dosage in the PPH/PPEH has changed over the years from a lower dose to its current 10g suggestion, adding to the wiggle room to find a sweet spot. In 2012 it said 5g, in 2019 it said 8g, then began to say 8-10g, now says 10g. So in 12 years the dose suggestion doubled. And along the way the meto dose changed from 60mg to 30mg. I think what I am sort of getting at as things change, while there is a scienfic basis to it the PPH/PPEH is still subject to changes as Dr. PN is adjusting as it goes along doing the best he and his partner can to provide information but this 12 year change doubling the dose should kind of show why perhaps there are still some reliability concerns for this or other methods (no method is without its risk of course).

There is a discussion as to how they got to their rating and I bet one of the factors is the fact this is not a peaceful way to die (it literallly says 'it is not peaceful' in their blurb on it and note that while it can be done as a single agent, it is 'greatly enhanced' as part of the cocktail mentioned above and it scores very low on the process side given how slow it is).

Taking into account that even in the current MAID protocol of DDMAPh, it calls for 8g of Amitriptyline on top of all the other medications so take with that as you will as to if a lower dose of a TCA alone would be sufficient: https://www.acamaid.org/pharmacologyinfoupdates/

That's a pretty range of so-called lethal doses. Individual facts like weight and health likely also play a role so it is not really a one-size fits all situation, leading to more ambiguity on a successful dosing.

With whatever you decide, I hope you find everything you are looking for and get peace & serenity.

 

[121792]

Greatly could depend at far along it was, if the brain lost oxygen, etc. But the biggie to consider would be that excessive amounts (TCAs like amitriptyline raise serotonin levels) may result in serotonin syndrome with symptoms like confusion, rapid heart rate, high blood pressure, and muscle rigidity. But it is hard to say what the actual liklihood would be for an attempt but I always figure people should go into an attempt with two scenarios (1) it is going to be successful and be sure it is what you want as if you can't take back the action and die well that's it and (2) be willing to deal with any permanent consequences of a failure and research what those could be for each method. So I am glad you asked as it means you are considering what's the worst case scenario for surviving the attempt and thus are not acting impulsively and trying to carefully plan your self-deliverance.


I am not sure if it will put you at ease, but let me try to address a few things about this method and maybe something will be helpful, maybe not.



It could possibly take even longer than that 12-24 hour period. Suggestions go as high as not to be found for 48 hours.

From w o z z's Ways to a dignified self-determined death it also sounds like a pretty long, drawn out way to CTB:


Then the issue about inconsistent dosing, for example even the PPH changed its dosing over the years until it got to the current 10g. Other literature though say 6g-7.5g of the TCA:

Then as you noted the PPH says 10g (when not part of a 5-drug cocktail, 8g in the 5-drug mix). PPH suggests not being found for 24 hours, which along with wozz's mention of 48 hours sure makes this method sound not very ideal, but again I can totally understand the desire to get out of this miserable world and looking for an available method.

It sounds you have previous copies, you will also notice the dosage in the PPH/PPEH has changed over the years from a lower dose to its current 10g suggestion, adding to the wiggle room to find a sweet spot. In 2012 it said 5g, in 2019 it said 8g, then began to say 8-10g, now says 10g. So in 12 years the dose suggestion doubled. And along the way the meto dose changed from 60mg to 30mg. I think what I am sort of getting at as things change, while there is a scienfic basis to it the PPH/PPEH is still subject to changes as Dr. PN is adjusting as it goes along doing the best he and his partner can to provide information but this 12 year change doubling the dose should kind of show why perhaps there are still some reliability concerns for this or other methods (no method is without its risk of course).

There is a discussion as to how they got to their rating and I bet one of the factors is the fact this is not a peaceful way to die (it literallly says 'it is not peaceful' in their blurb on it and note that while it can be done as a single agent, it is 'greatly enhanced' as part of the cocktail mentioned above and it scores very low on the process side given how slow it is).

Taking into account that even in the current MAID protocol of DDMAPh, it calls for 8g of Amitriptyline on top of all the other medications so take with that as you will as to if a lower dose of a TCA alone would be sufficient: https://www.acamaid.org/pharmacologyinfoupdates/

That's a pretty range of so-called lethal doses. Individual facts like weight and health likely also play a role so it is not really a one-size fits all situation, leading to more ambiguity on a successful dosing.

With whatever you decide, I hope you find everything you are looking for and get peace & serenity.

Thanks for your detailed message, sorry for the late reply.

I'm fairly sure I will be undisturbed for up 48 hours as I live alone and nobody visits me... so I should be okay there.

I have the Peaceful Pill Handbook 2019 edition and it says the peacefulness is a 7 out of 10. I also have the info from the PP E-Handbook (updated version), but the 3 pages I have doesn't mention anything about peacefulness. In the PPH, it says that the benzodiazepam is needed to make it peaceful. So with a 7/10 score and the fact that it says the BD will make it peaceful, surely it will be? You said it says it isn't peaceful? What exactly does it say?

Yeah, I'm taking my time with this and not rushing into anything. Another worry I have is whether the benzodiazepam will be effective. The reason I worry is because I found a place to get them online and took them recreationally to relax me. The last time I took them, high doses didn't really seem to have much of an effect, so I'm worried they might not be as effective now. I didn't abuse them, but I took 20mgs a few times as I felt really relaxed and they made me sleep which was pleasant. Then I bought them again and high doses didn't seem to have much effect. So I'm a little worried. The last time I took them was April this year... so it's been a while and if I do decided to go through with my plans, it wouldn't be until the new year. I'm not sure when really as I'm worried about the shelf life of the pills. One of the websites I bought pills from before had an upcoming expiration date of like a few months. So I'm also worried about what the amitriptyline will be... will they have an expiration date that is soon up. If so, should I take them sooner.

I googled a bit about it and it said that drugs can last a lot longer than their expiration date... if that's the case I might possibly wait until next summer, but I'm not sure.

You said in 2019, it said 8 grams, but I have the 2019 edition and it says 10 grams in it. The same as the updated version.
The reliability was 8 in 2019 and now I believe it is 6 out of 10.

Why do you think more people aren't opting for the amitriptyline route? Is it because it can take so long to die?

Is serotonin syndrome something you can get over at home or would you need to go to the hospital. If if didn't work, it would be nice if I could just stay at home and recover from whatever side-effects occur as I really don't want to go to a mental hospital.

I'm not really prepared for the side-effects but this seemed like one of the best methods. I had the link to the place you get sodium nitrate but I've forgot it now unfortunately. I don't think I would be able to test it for purity and I also heard it can turn you blue and certain things which put me off.

It's a pity it wasn't more simple and we could all get nembutal. I've thought about suspension hanging and tried it a few years ago but couldn't get it to work, so I don't have that method either. Amitriptyline seems like the only route to go down for me.

Anyway, thanks for your information. Good luck!

 

[littleadonis]

I was thinking about amitriptyline too but now after reading this thread, I'm not so sure lol. I initially preferred it at first because pills are simple and not ugly whilst the hypoxia method requires lots of equipment and research and you have to die with a plastic bag over your head which might be ugly and traumatising for anyone who finds you, but I don't want to suffer for 48hrs lol. Plus, I don't know how I'm supposed to get that amount of amitriptyline and benzodiazapine in the UK all at once. Hypoxia it is I guess.

 

[maniac116]

In general, prescription drugs have less than 14% success & yes, there is a possibility of physical or mental disability & further suffering.
Personally I wouldn't do it, but I hope you find peace in whatever you decide

 

[Mayonaise]

Since you're not rushing things, you may want to consider adding digoxin (if you can find it in powdered form) and following the DDMA protocol Joe linked for you. If you have trouble finding morphine you can use other synth opioids (fentanyl, nitazenes, bromadol and such) which are way more potent than morphine

 

[I_go_in]

Hello, I'm thinking of using the amitriptyline method but I'm worried about whether or not it will work. Also, what damage could be done if you were unsuccessful?

In the 2019 peaceful pill handbook, it says reliability is 8/10, but in the recent peaceful pill ehandbook, it says 6/10. Is this because of how long it can take to kill you - 12 to 24 hours or longer, thus increasing the risk of being found before you are dead? It says in the 2019 book that survival from amitriptyline is rare.

I never want to go back to a mental hospital again, so do you think I will be successful? 10 grams of ami with 300mg of diazepam and 30mg of metoclopramide.

Have I got anything to worry about apart from being found? I really want this method to work.
Most people here seem to be going the SN route but there doesn't seem much mention about amitriptyline.

I'd just love my mind to be put at ease and feel confident that this method will work. I won't be found as I live alone and nobody visits me.

Any info you have that would put my mind at ease would be much appreciated.

If it makes you feel any better most failed attempts with stuff like this are due to human error. Humans are horrible as a whole at following strict guidelines perfectly. If you do it properly and aren't found you should be gone.

 

[lilah]

In general, prescription drugs have less than 14% success

i think it depends on the dose and on the drug. Amitriptyline is extremely lethal for anyone at 10gm. in fact, 10gm is 10 times the lethal dose (according to chatgpt and the pph).

the whole problem with this method is that it seems to be slow enough to allow people to find you :/

 

[Echofox7]

How would i get hold of Amitriptyline?

 

[121792]

How would i get hold of Amitriptyline?

I'll private message you later.

 

[mattoman]

I wouldn't recommend. I'll leave these two links down below.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/why-ods-fail-miserably-a-guide.181394/

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/non-methods-that-should-not-be-attempted.177799/

 

[121792]

I wouldn't recommend. I'll leave these two links down below.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/why-ods-fail-miserably-a-guide.181394/

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/non-methods-that-should-not-be-attempted.177799/

Amitriptyline can be used in an overdose though. It's in The Peaceful Pill Handbook.

 

[mattoman]

Amitriptyline can be used in an overdose though. It's in The Peaceful Pill Handbook.

I don't doubt you, but in case you are OD'ing on anti-depressants, I hope you do your research just so that you don't damage yourself/your organs and be in pain permanently.

Also what is The Peaceful Pill handbook, curious about that.

 

[Echofox7]

I

I'll private message you later.

I did not get your private message?

 

[121792]

I

I did not get your private message?

I messaged you but the screen went white after. I'll try again and if it doesn't work maybe I can email you?

 

[Peter Skellern]

If you're going to to use powerful synthetic opiods to help the process, wouldn't an OD of that just do the job itself?

 

[danny10]

I take Amitriptyline as my antidepressant. I take the 25 mgs pills and I did the maths and it would require me to swallow 400 pills to reach 10gs. That's an awful lot of pills to swallow... I also considered Amitriptyline as a CTB method but I am afraid that halfway through swallowing 400 pills, I would puke and wouldn't be able to swallow the necessary amount. That's why I'm opting for SN method instead.

 

[121792]

If you're going to to use powerful synthetic opiods to help the process, wouldn't an OD of that just do the job itself?

They're not opoids, they are benzodiazepams. They will not kill you on their own. They are just to make you fall asleep while the amitriptyline kills you.

 

[Peace2peace]

I take Amitriptyline as my antidepressant. I take the 25 mgs pills and I did the maths and it would require me to swallow 400 pills to reach 10gs. That's an awful lot of pills to swallow... I also considered Amitriptyline as a CTB method but I am afraid that halfway through swallowing 400 pills, I would puke and wouldn't be able to swallow the necessary amount. That's why I'm opting for SN method instead.

U can mix with water i think

 

[nobodycaresaboutme]

From https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/suicide-methods-other-than-hanging-in-japan.215424/

Right, the GHSCD was written arround 2006 but i don't think human physiology has changed so much that the dose recommended in the guide needs an update (other than being too small imo). We have to note that book was written for a society where AS/VE is far more widely accepted than in other parts of the world so maybe the authors did assume people would have their family/friends support for their plans so nobody would intervene even if the death took longer. Most of us don't have this option so if someone only has a few hours, let's say from today's late evening until tomorrow morning, amitritpyline is definitely not for them, SN would be far more reliable in that case. Which brings us to the PPeH changing the required dose several times: they probably have reports of people not having enough time, that were discovered and rescued so the authors thought that by increasing the dose the TTD will be shorter therefore more reliable. I have no doubt amitriptyline is lethal but its reliability hugely depends on how much time alone a person has. This is critical in my opinion and it applies to other methods that would take longer to die such as long-acting barbiturates.

It's questionable that the increased dose brings death more quickly. Why did those guides not suggest the maximum dose that causes the quickest death from the beginning? Time is a very important factor in CTB attempts because it directly affects the risks that someone spots you or benzos wear off. Given that PPH 2022 changed the reliability rating, it's possible that 10g is still not enough. The ideal dose may be 15g as you mentioned, or 20g or 25g or... To be honest I believe SN is superior to amitriptyline in almost every aspect even if it is lethal. I could not find the advantage of this drug except the availability for some people.

 

[intr0verse]

From https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/suicide-methods-other-than-hanging-in-japan.215424/

It's questionable that the increased dose brings death more quickly.

I don't see how this is questionabe...

Why did those guides not suggest the maximum dose that causes the quickest death from the beginning?

I really don't know but i assume because there is no max. dose while there's definitely is a minimum dose at which a drug becomes toxic and lethal.

Time is a very important factor in CTB attempts because it directly affects the risks that someone spots you or benzos wear off.

I absolutely agree. Time is critical for every method but especially for OD on drugs that are known to be lethal but takes a long time like amitritpyline; if one doesn't have enough time alone, this method is definitely not suitable. Considering this, it's true, SN is by far a better option.
There have been cases of survival with N in doses higher than 10g simply because people were found too soon, so time is a very very important factor.

Given that PPH 2022 changed the reliability rating, it's possible that 10g is still not enough. The ideal dose may be 15g as you mentioned, or 20g or 25g or...

Sure, the sky is the limit... The same can be said about almost any drug out there. For example, the minimum lethal dose of any barbiturate is thought to be arround 6 grams, yet i only know about a couple of people who used this minimum amount (they were successful) not because they gave credit to the different guides out there, but because that's all they've got and had to go through with it. Instead, most people would use 2x or 3x the minimum dose just because they feel safer with a higher dose. In addition to that, i think a higher dose shorten the TTD. Probably another reason why guides such as GHSCD and others don't talk about an "ideal" dose but about a minimum lethal dose; if someone feels safer with a higher amount, they're free to use a higher amount.

To be honest I believe SN is superior to amitriptyline in almost every aspect even if it is lethal. I could not find the advantage of this drug except the availability for some people.

As i said, lethality doesn't always equals reliability; when all factors are considered, i too think SN is a better option but that's not to say the amitriptyline, if very well planned with enough time alone, is useless.

 

[nobodycaresaboutme]

I don't see how this is questionabe...

It isn't the case that the process can unlimitedly be shortened by unlimitedly increasing the amount. I believe the authors were convinced that the suggested doses cause the quickest death. Otherwise those handbooks mush have recommended higher doses to make the amitriptyline method more reliable. Even the latest version of PPH says that this method requires at 24 hours as well as GHSCD. I am sure 24 hours is the answer regardless of the dose.

Probably another reason why guides such as GHSCD and others don't talk about an "ideal" dose but about a minimum lethal dose; if someone feels safer with a higher amount, they're free to use a higher amount.

This contradicts with the fact that the SN dose is designated as 25g (per cup) and people don't take more. I honestly doubt that 6g (GHSCD) meant a minimum lethal dose. Every OD method depends on individual weight and tolerance to the drug. The "minimum lethal dose" may not be lethal for some people. If someone failed for this reason and this is why the recommended dose has been gradually doubled, it means the devastating mistakes of GHSCD and PPH as suicide method guides. On the other hand in the SN method 25g is high enough to ensure almost every individual's death. A smaller amount can kill you so licking SN is warned.

As i said, lethality doesn't always equals reliability; when all factors are considered, i too think SN is a better option but that's not to say the amitriptyline, if very well planned with enough time alone, is useless.

Considering that SN is no longer largely accessible, I agree that lethality is not everything and amitriptyline might help those who unluckily have no access to the salt. But I'm concerned that this method has so many shortcomings, such as the uncertain dose, lower reliability(PPH rating), potentially painful process(if benzos wear off), a lot of preparation(amitriptyline, two types of benzos, meto) and needing longer time(24 hours).

 

[intr0verse]

It isn't the case that the process can unlimitedly be shortened by unlimitedly increasing the amount.

Of course not, but higher doses do shorten the time to death

I believe the authors were convinced that the suggested doses cause the quickest death.

I believe the authors were convinced the suggested dose cause death.

Otherwise those handbooks mush have recommended higher doses to make the amitriptyline method more reliable. Even the latest version of PPH says that this method requires at 24 hours as well as GHSCD. I am sure 24 hours is the answer regardless of the dose.

I am not so sure. I think a higher dose could shorten the time but that's just speculation. We don't have data to show the relation between the TTD and dose for this method unfortunately.

This contradicts with the fact that the SN dose is designated as 25g (per cup) and people don't take more.

If i'm not mistaken people do drink a second cup with 25g because they (almost everytime) puke the first dose (or part of it), even with the antiemetic. At least that's what i've read here. It's not a method that i would do so i didn't read too much about it.

I honestly doubt that 6g (GHSCD) meant a minimum lethal dose.

I don't. It would be the most logical thing to do: to recommend the minimum dose they think, based on their experience, would cause death in most people. If the authors thought 6g would be enough for most people, why would they say 10g? On the other hand, they clearly didn't thought 5g would do it, otherwise they would have suggested 5g.

Every OD method depends on individual weight and tolerance to the drug. The "minimum lethal dose" may not be lethal for some people.

There are indeed variation from one individual to another but they are usually very small. According to some authors. there are some exceptions though like opioids and some argue barbiturates too. In some cases increasing the dose might overcome these problems, in others it won't.

If someone failed for this reason and this is why the recommended dose has been gradually doubled, it means the devastating mistakes of GHSCD and PPH as suicide method guides.

People have failed, even with doses far greater than what's recommended, and that's because they didn't carefully planned their attempt.

On the other hand in the SN method 25g is high enough to ensure almost every individual's death. A smaller amount can kill you so licking SN is warned.

As i said, it's not a method i would personally consider so i haven't read about it too much. As such i don't know about the lethal dose history, how did they came up with it, if it was updated and such. The difference in TTD between the two methods, clearly turns the balance in SN's favor.

Considering that SN is no longer largely accessible, I agree that lethality is not everything and amitriptyline might help those who unluckily have no access to the salt. But I'm concerned that this method has so many shortcomings, such as the uncertain dose, lower reliability(PPH rating), potentially painful process(if benzos wear off), a lot of preparation(amitriptyline, two types of benzos, meto) and needing longer time(24 hours).

Most of these shortcomings could be overcomed by careful planning and reading alot about a method before deciding if it's suitable or not.

 

[copioushopelessness]

How much amitriptyline would need to be taken?

 

[nobodycaresaboutme]

@intr0verse
I don't mean to oppose taking 15g or more, however I still believe this would not help to shorten the process. To begin with if there is a wiggle room to increase the dose on speculation, it means that this method is far from backed up with the sufficient number of researches and precedents. We've already exhausted credible sources about amitriptyline CTB. None of them suggest to take more than 10g to die more quickly. I think that PPH changes reflected this uncertain nature of the method getting clear. If the individual failures of amitriptyline attempts have mainly come from a lack of mature plans, PPH didn't need to be revised. Frankly I think that to pursue the option with low or moderate reliability at a quite large effort is not to make a careful plan. I appreciate that this discussion is giving me insight into amitriptyline but I'm not feeling comfortable to portray this medication as a viable CTB method especially to those who recently join us and prefer OD.

How much amitriptyline would need to be taken?

The latest PPH says that it is 10g. We have no idea whether this is accurate or not. To begin with I believe this is close to a non-method.

 

[copioushopelessness]

@intr0verse
I don't mean to oppose taking 15g or more, however I still believe this would not help to shorten the process. To begin with if there is a wiggle room to increase the dose on speculation, it means that this method is far from backed up with the sufficient number of researches and precedents. We've already exhausted credible sources about amitriptyline CTB. None of them suggest to take more than 10g to die more quickly. I think that PPH changes reflected this uncertain nature of the method getting clear. If the individual failures of amitriptyline attempts have mainly come from a lack of mature plans, PPH didn't need to be revised. Frankly I think that to pursue the option with low or moderate reliability at a quite large effort is not to make a careful plan. I appreciate that this discussion is giving me insight into amitriptyline but I'm not feeling comfortable to portray this medication as a viable CTB method especially to those who recently join us and prefer OD.


The latest PPH says that it is 10g. We have no idea whether this is accurate or not. To begin with I believe this is close to a non-method.

How many pills is that? It sounds like a slow death.

 

[nobodycaresaboutme]

How many pills is that? It sounds like a slow death.

I don't know what the dosage form of yours is. When it's 25mg, 400 tablets (25mg * 400 = 10,000mg). Reputable guides say it takes about 24 hours. It would be a very painful death.

 

[copioushopelessness]

I don't know what the dosage form of yours is. When it's 25mg, 400 tablets (25mg * 400 = 10,000mg). Reputable guides say it takes about 24 hours. It would be a very painful death.

That's a lot of tablets. If I had joined this forum sooner and knew how hard it would be I wouldve done some things differently in my life... I gave up everything thinking I'd be gone by now. I'm not sure why amitriptyline is talked about as a method. I don't think I have that many and they are long expired.