Discussion AMA Former CTB Chat Volunteer

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I am reading the answers because it showed in 'alerts'. I have already put them on ignore, and I have been sickened by the behaviour of others before, no doubt I will be again. Hard for me to fathom your belief in what they say. A liar lies, and anyone who volunteers on one of those so-called 'help lines' has to lie in order to do their job. As for giving 'insight'? Surely you jest. They are told what to say period, and they say it. If you do not like what I do or say please put me on ignore. Thank you.

It seems someone has hurt you very badly at some point.

 

[NodusTollens]

lol thnx? thats a first XD

Sorry, if that was weird.

yes, i can understand their would be a liability but its also like you said you were often thanked and as we saw in the other thread (im sorry id tag you but im really bad with online names and have to double check a million times even when the name is right there)......isnt this kind of the needs of many out weight the needs of one. that one suicidal person could help so many other simply by giving insight.

I just realized that I missed this; I agree with you wholeheartedly, it should, but the issue begins with the government, until those changes are made- these services will continue to be staffed by people who just don't get it.

 

[Ghost2211]

Maybe it's because I've been with this group so long, but I never understand when mental health professional act like suicidal thoughts are something our body is imposing on us, and we don't really want to act on our feelings or desire the result but our body or mind is forcing us to. Almost like a separate force than the true us. I suppose this is a hard concept to articulate. Did this seem to be the case with callers? Did they want to be saved from themselves or just heard?

Sorry if this made no sense. I don't think mental health people really understand us every time I hear "if you think you might hurt yourself call 911 or go to emergency".

 

[NodusTollens]

Maybe it's because I've been with this group so long, but I never understand when mental health professional act like suicidal thoughts are something our body is imposing on us, and we don't really want to act on our feelings or desire the result but our body or mind is forcing us to. Almost like a separate force than the true us. I suppose this is a hard concept to articulate. Did this seem to be the case with callers? Did they want to be saved from themselves or just heard?

Sorry if this made no sense. I don't think mental health people really understand us every time I hear "if you think you might hurt yourself call 911 or go to emergency".

I found a lot of callers wanted to be heard, often they were tangled in a web of life stressors with no idea how to objectively solve the problem (harder to see a solution when you're in it) or had no one to talk to about there stressors that they became depressed, then had thoughts of CTB. Some people would use them as acute counselling.

I never had to call for emergency service for anyone. Agencies that do suggest that people call are doing so so they aren't liable. It's an unfortunate truth.

 

[Deleted member 1768]

It seems someone has hurt you very badly at some point.

Everyone gets hurt by someone at some point, but I take umbrage at those who use deceit at a time when a living being is at their most vulnerable. I am surprised, and horrified that there are those who claim to be suicidal who support the so-called 'mental health' policies that the world has adopted. When the rights of an individual are usurped by a government agency you can guarantee that sooner or later those rights will be eroded for all. I cannot think of any other time that one can be incarcerated by another due to a subjective opinion, without recourse, except under the mental health act. This, and the drugs they ladle out need to be investigated by an independent body. But the people on this site refuse to come together and fight back. Completely beyond my ken. But I do not suffer from depression, OCD, or anything else mentally, and it is not my place to make baseless accusations or come to erroneous conclusions due to what another has said. I do not however condone deceit, injustice, or sadism.

 

[NodusTollens]

When thinking about my time as a responder, I think about how often I found myself in the midst of internal struggle. I don't believe others should have the ability to discounts anyone's choice to suicide & the person who taught me had AWFUL things to say about BPD. Grr.
Which is why on Goodbye's threads I never say anything to discount the OP.

I volunteered through post-secondary as part of a requirement to graduate, being a responder was not a passion for me. But it sure opened my eyes to systemic flaws.

If things were different & CTB wasn't a desire of mine, I would want to create a safe space for people like us. Another member mentioned dating for people who were depressed/wanting to CTB, imagine what it would be like to have a place to meet people in person without worry of being held, —sigh— what a "dream" it is.

 

[PDAnnie2610]

I'll like to think that there are some of us who while struggles, would also want to try our best to support others who struggle. The struggle against self-stigma is very real, as well as society stigma against those who want to ctb.
Thanks for sharing,

Everyone gets hurt by someone at some point, but I take umbrage at those who use deceit at a time when a living being is at their most vulnerable. I am surprised, and horrified that there are those who claim to be suicidal who support the so-called 'mental health' policies that the world has adopted. When the rights of an individual are usurped by a government agency you can guarantee that sooner or later those rights will be eroded for all. I cannot think of any other time that one can be incarcerated by another due to a subjective opinion, without recourse, except under the mental health act. This, and the drugs they ladle out need to be investigated by an independent body. But the people on this site refuse to come together and fight back. Completely beyond my ken. But I do not suffer from depression, OCD, or anything else mentally, and it is not my place to make baseless accusations or come to erroneous conclusions due to what another has said. I do not however condone deceit, injustice, or sadism.

 

[NodusTollens]

I'll like to think that there are some of us who while struggles, would also want to try our best to support others who struggle. The struggle against self-stigma is very real, as well as society stigma against those who want to ctb.
Thanks for sharing,

I'm not sure if you're speaking to me or the other person, if you are speaking to me, thank you. :)

 

[PDAnnie2610]

I'm not sure if you're speaking to me or the other person, if you are speaking to me, thank you. :)

Was talking to you =)

 

[AnnonyBox]

Did you ever manage to change anyone's mind? What line of reasoning or logic was most effective?

 

[NodusTollens]

They trained us to use solution focused language to help chatters/callers hopefully find solutions to life stressors. Then offer referrals to local services to help facilitate.

I did have a few people thank me for listening, saying I helped them solve a problem where they seemed "stuck," or helped stop their mind from spiraling.

I think these individuals may have been acutely suicidal.

 

[bornfree]

Everyone gets hurt by someone at some point, but I take umbrage at those who use deceit at a time when a living being is at their most vulnerable. I am surprised, and horrified that there are those who claim to be suicidal who support the so-called 'mental health' policies that the world has adopted. When the rights of an individual are usurped by a government agency you can guarantee that sooner or later those rights will be eroded for all. I cannot think of any other time that one can be incarcerated by another due to a subjective opinion, without recourse, except under the mental health act. This, and the drugs they ladle out need to be investigated by an independent body. But the people on this site refuse to come together and fight back. Completely beyond my ken. But I do not suffer from depression, OCD, or anything else mentally, and it is not my place to make baseless accusations or come to erroneous conclusions due to what another has said. I do not however condone deceit, injustice, or sadism.

well said. Psychiatric/mental health care is an oppressive system not a protective system. It is a tyranny of evil disguised as care that has committed so many crimes and crimes against humanity.

Doctors talk about how legalising assisted suicide will erode trust and faith in doctors but what they do to suicidal individuals and other victims of psychiatric oppression - if anyone can actually see the truth about what doctors have been doing to victims then they will never trust the medical profession. Is it one of the reasons to die that the human rights movement won't protect me or other suicidal individuals because doctors have dehumanised suicidal individuals and, of course, they are monsters.

 

[Deleted member 1768]

Why do you assume every person who works for one of these lines is doing it for their own aggrandisement? Because I really don't think that's the case.

That is a valid point. We are all different, but really how can anyone believe that they are 'helping' others, when their disinterest in the human they are supposed to help is so obvious? Those who volunteer to lie to extremely vulnerable people are beneath my contempt. Sorry, but adding to the suffering of the living is the antithesis of all I am, stand for and believe in.