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fallendevil

fallendevil

Horrible Woman
Oct 6, 2024
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Save a fox's death actually broke me ngl, I saw the news of it on Twitter and I desperately prayed it wasn't the fox YouTuber who filmed her foxes laughing but turns out it was. Oh my god.

A lot of snark subs are genuinely evil, and I think they should be banned. They start off with good intentions of calling people out but then they spiral into a vortex of genuine hate. I remember I was on one for this mommy blogger and I got downvoted because I told them that it was fucked up to deny someone's experience with racism just because they didn't like her, I then realized they didn't actually care about her children they were just miserable and wanted to discredit her in anyway possible.

If you think someone is problematic (I've heard the allegations of her possibly mistreating the foxes which led to the snark) just ignore them, it's really not worth driving them into suicide especially if the intent is to help the foxes. Call the authorities, and uplift creators you think are better and make them more famous rather than hating so hard.
 
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Holu

Hypomania go brrr
Apr 5, 2023
902
I made a post about this once before, albeit more locally in regard to people on this forum, to some mixed responses. This was during a time where there were multiple deaths within a week. It sucked, not because I was ideologically opposed to their decisions, but just the generally emptiness it left without them.

I fully get how you feel. Death sucks for the living, regardless of your stance. The comfort of knowing the person is no longer suffering does not make the pain of loss go ahead.
 
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Unbearable Mr. Bear

Unbearable Mr. Bear

Sometimes, all a cub needs is a hug...
May 9, 2025
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It's harsh, but in the end, we should think about why they did it, and the answer to that is that their existence most likely sucks, and existence as a whole mostly sucks. Each death should be a warning to how much most people are being treated like trash when they really should be treated better. I'm talking in a systemic way, and these trolls are just a byproduct of this.

It aches, it hurts, seeing good people get ignored, hurt and eventually spirit away when they can't take it anymore. It's terrible, and we should think about it, but as something that has crept under the foundations of society itself: Let's make people we want dead feel horrible indirectly so we get rid of undesirables without anyone to directly blame.

I wish I could change it...
 
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EmptyBottle

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Apr 10, 2025
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It does feel quite disappointing seeing some users I occasionally interacted with CTB, and even users I don't know. I wish I could have helped, sometimes I try gently helping too.

All I can control is whether I CTB or not... and something tells me not to CTB, despite sometimes having death wishes... I learnt that death wishes can be substituted for escape wishes, and that seems to help me, hopefully it helps others too.

Maybe finding balance will help too? Balancing spare time with productive time, finding stuff beyond the forum, and doing little things to try and improve conditions... tho idk how effective my suggestions are.
 
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whitetaildeer

Widower
Aug 5, 2024
364
A lot of snark subs are genuinely evil, and I think they should be banned. They start off with good intentions of calling people out but then they spiral into a vortex of genuine hate. [...] If you think someone is problematic (I've heard the allegations of her possibly mistreating the foxes which led to the snark) just ignore them, it's really not worth driving them into suicide especially if the intent is to help the foxes. [...]
Agree but Mikayla's death was driven by former employees and other animal sanctuaries who decided to defame her. It is said directly in Ethan's video talking about her suicide.

It's harsh, but in the end, we should think about why they did it, and the answer to that is that their existence most likely sucks, and existence as a whole mostly sucks. [...]

It aches, it hurts, seeing good people get ignored, hurt and eventually spirit away when they can't take it anymore. It's terrible, and we should think about it, but as something that has crept under the foundations of society itself: Let's make people we want dead feel horrible indirectly so we get rid of undesirables without anyone to directly blame.
She died because some of the people around her failed her, not because of your noxious idea that existence (and therefore, every good thing in her life) sucks. Suicidal people are in the minority and will always be; we have not found some special truth that the "pro-lifers" cannot see just because we're miserable. Also what the actual fuck is that eugenics-esque line at the end
 
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SchizoPolyGymnast

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May 28, 2024
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It's normal to feel sad after a suicide. Not sure why this is controversial.
 
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Unbearable Mr. Bear

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May 9, 2025
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She died because some of the people around her failed her, not because of your noxious idea that existence (and therefore, every good thing in her life) sucks. Suicidal people are in the minority and will always be; we have not found some special truth that the "pro-lifers" cannot see just because we're miserable. Also what the actual fuck is that eugenics-esque line at the end
I guess I was a bit down at the time I wrote that, but I stand by what I said. I do think society as a whole is made to control and subdue most people, and that, in turn, makes a lot of people miserable. The people that failed around her, while bearing responsibility, are a byproduct of such a society. It's just that it's so slowly dripped down that almost nobody notices. Every screen will tell people what to feel, what to say, what to think, if you don't take control of the situation, and most people don't.

Nowadays, as people are more and more aware of such, and try to actively get control of their situations, we can see the rise of authoritarianism to shove down our throats what before was drip-fed: That undesirables (non cis/hetero people) should be cut off from society. With time, this will extend: Women, people of color, people of a certain descent, people of other countries, and other arbitrary definitions. We've seen it happen before. We're seeing it again. If you want to ignore it, that is fine. I won't.

This is not something that I feel special in thinking. It's just something I noticed, and for me, it makes sense. You don't need to take it for yourself if it doesn't suit you. That's what thinking for yourself means.
 
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Wolf Girl

"This place made me feel worthless"
Jun 12, 2024
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Suicidal people are in the minority and will always be; we have not found some special truth that the "pro-lifers" cannot see just because we're miserable.
Yes, this right here! Thank you for saying it.
 
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GhostInTheMachine

Safeguard
Nov 5, 2023
530
I'm pro-mercy, but I still think the vast majority of people who CTB don't deserve it. I thought the Save a Fox video was about them losing one of the foxes since I hadn't viewed their content in a while, but fucking hell. That they lost one of the driving forces behind the entire thing is heartbreaking. She should never been forced into that position, and it's disgusting that this is how things turned out.
 
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prettysurethistime

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Jun 24, 2025
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I guess I was a bit down at the time I wrote that, but I stand by what I said. I do think society as a whole is made to control and subdue most people, and that, in turn, makes a lot of people miserable. The people that failed around her, while bearing responsibility, are a byproduct of such a society. It's just that it's so slowly dripped down that almost nobody notices. Every screen will tell people what to feel, what to say, what to think, if you don't take control of the situation, and most people don't.

Nowadays, as people are more and more aware of such, and try to actively get control of their situations, we can see the rise of authoritarianism to shove down our throats what before was drip-fed: That undesirables (non cis/hetero people) should be cut off from society. With time, this will extend: Women, people of color, people of a certain descent, people of other countries, and other arbitrary definitions. We've seen it happen before. We're seeing it again. If you want to ignore it, that is fine. I won't.

This is not something that I feel special in thinking. It's just something I noticed, and for me, it makes sense. You don't need to take it for yourself if it doesn't suit you. That's what thinking for yourself means.
Suicide being a form of control, as you say, is why suicide by murder was a thing for a long time. Like, how fucked is it that people would murder other people so that they would suffer the death penalty, because suicide couldn't be absolved but murder can be?


Suicide would've been something worse in the past, when things often felt completely hopeless and our population was smaller. Too many people do it and you really nerf our ability to survive. Plus, everything was done manually. So you needed miserable people to live their miserable lives. Now we have so many people. I personally feel like a burden. I'm not an unkind person, certainly not deep down, but I'm so miserable that I'm cranky and increasingly aggressive with it. Quite the Karen. But worse, I do nothing. I don't earn, I don't have kids nor am likely to. I don't really have any hobbies beyond watching TV (although I want to do more/get less depressed and start reading and writing again). I'm a good conversationalist if you're the right sort of person but that's about it. So if I CTB'd, it shouldn't matter. What upsets me is that I'm not interested in learning how to kill. I'm confused about the method to take which is part of the reason I routinely try and focus on recovery but it's hard when I have no real external support to myself. If I had a legal route to pursue euthanasia, I believe the natural safeguarding my society would want should be enough to put in place some kind of support to try and see what could change that. Right now, it seems I'll only get help if I make a serious attempt on my life. And that makes me angry for everyone.


Sorry for the ramble, I'm essentially just agreeing if you TLDR;'d it.
 
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SchizoPolyGymnast

Paragon
May 28, 2024
942
I'm pro-mercy, but I still think the vast majority of people who CTB don't deserve it. I thought the Save a Fox video was about them losing one of the foxes since I hadn't viewed their content in a while, but fucking hell. That they lost one of the driving forces behind the entire thing is heartbreaking. She should never been forced into that position, and it's disgusting that this is how things turned out.
The saying goes, "Only the good die young; assholes live forever."
 
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TBONTB

Enlightened
May 31, 2025
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It does feel quite disappointing seeing some users I occasionally interacted with CTB, and even users I don't know. I wish I could have helped, sometimes I try gently helping too.

All I can control is whether I CTB or not... and something tells me not to CTB, despite sometimes having death wishes... I learnt that death wishes can be substituted for escape wishes, and that seems to help me, hopefully it helps others too.

Maybe finding balance will help too? Balancing spare time with productive time, finding stuff beyond the forum, and doing little things to try and improve conditions... tho idk how effective my suggestions are.
"death wishes = escape wishes". Thanks for that approach.
 
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User111885

I request my username and all posts be deleted.
Jun 22, 2025
553
I guess I was a bit down at the time I wrote that, but I stand by what I said. I do think society as a whole is made to control and subdue most people, and that, in turn, makes a lot of people miserable. The people that failed around her, while bearing responsibility, are a byproduct of such a society. It's just that it's so slowly dripped down that almost nobody notices. Every screen will tell people what to feel, what to say, what to think, if you don't take control of the situation, and most people don't.

Nowadays, as people are more and more aware of such, and try to actively get control of their situations, we can see the rise of authoritarianism to shove down our throats what before was drip-fed: That undesirables (non cis/hetero people) should be cut off from society. With time, this will extend: Women, people of color, people of a certain descent, people of other countries, and other arbitrary definitions. We've seen it happen before. We're seeing it again. If you want to ignore it, that is fine. I won't.

This is not something that I feel special in thinking. It's just something I noticed, and for me, it makes sense. You don't need to take it for yourself if it doesn't suit you. That's what thinking for yourself means.
i agree with you and think it's a smart comment.

it IS built into society that people different are going to be treated poorly and will not reproduce and may even kill themself

it is also built into society to say "oh we don't want people to die" because people are hypocritical pieces of shit who will be mean and cruel and hurtful... but also preach suicide prevention. "You suck... but make sure not to kill yourself... OR YOU'LL GO TO HELL!!! Now go sleep outside if you can't pay you're rent so we can arrest you for not having a permit!!!"

it is also built into society to have suicide hotlines and the desired outcome the suicide hotline staff people have is ALWAYS to get you "support" and if you are suicidal, that means being put on drugs, and these drugs... they may it much less likely to procreate. They make people overweight, shaking, unable to orgasm, and then they gas-light you and say you're fucking bad for not taking them. "On a Wednesday after taking them, you said you felt sort of happy that day. You were improving! Don't you care about health and safety? I'm a doctor, take the drugs!!!!" And that's if it's voluntary, for a lot of people they are locked up, forcibly drugged, and have horrible side-effects. Some people have side effects that don't go away.

It's all by design, and even if it's not a planned conspiracy (although who knows), if people in society objected to this, they would change it.

Instead it's "work harder! you're weird! we hate you! now here's a gun... some cigs... some alcohol... you do whatever you want... BUT DON'T SAY YOU'RE SUICIDAL OR YOU NEED TO TAKE THE STERALIZAT.... HAPPINESS PILLS!!!!!"

You aren't saying anything pro-eugenics, you are just calling it like it is. Super hot women rarely end up homeless unless they are addicted to something... because if you are a woman, and super hot, someone is willing to help you out. If you are a nice looking athletic normal guy, doors just open. If you have issues and problems, doors sometimes open, but you have to knock a lot, and the opportunities often involve more personal pain and degradation.

"You want to stay alive huh? Deliver these 100 packages per day and piss into a bottle if you need to go to the bathroom, or else!!!! Now you can enjoy life with the little time you have, after paying rent, and getting food, whatever you can afford at least."

And yes, there are always people who are slightly different and make it to the top, are great successes, and then there will be news articles and feel good stories: "See! Everyone can be a success!" they will say, despite the fact that things are the way they are, and people are the rare outliers and may have high IQs or other unusual abilities, while most people who are a bit different in one way or another struggle much much more.

It's the horrible fucking reality and truth. Social security for the disabled exists so Christians (who believe in imaginary bullshit) can pretend they are nice people. "It's not like the cripples are rotting on the street... only those who could work and choose not to!" And even then, it pays so little that someone on it will never dare reproduce unless they are willing to give their kids up for adoption...
 
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