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Bartleby

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Feb 8, 2023
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The first thing to note is that I'm an alter too. When you have DID, every part of the person is an alter.
The second thing to note is that some people might have DID where they have 1 "host" who is like the "real person" and everyone else is more like a character or stereotype, but I don't have that sort of DID. Different alters have been the "main alter" for different parts of my life. I say "my life" just to not be confusing but it's really our life.

My other alter used to be the main alter for many years, but he developed a bad psychosomatic stutter and tics. I didn't have them, so I became the main alter. Problem solved, no one has to worry about the tics or stutter because now it doesn't happen in public. That alter just resigned himself to only existing in private, and having no public presence.

Before anyone asks this was years before tik tok and the recent plague of social media-induced mental illnesses, and I don't use any social media besides out-of-the-way forums like this.

So this alter has been basically completely isolated for the past seven years. And now he's just openly suicidal.
I think a big part of it is I've found that I love my career field, which is very public and requires a good deal of responsibility. If I was going into IT or something, maybe I would say, hey you know what, I can present with psychosomatic illnesses sometimes and everyone can go complain to HR if they want, it's a disability and they can go fuck themselves. But that's not possible with the line of work I'm in. And I don't want to change lines of work.
So there's no clear way this guy can have a life. Or it feels that way. He's also (understandably) terrified of being in public after nearly a decade of not being in public, so he isn't even really willing to try having a life.

I don't really experience anxiety or depression, I'm moderately successful in life, everything is looking up for me. I have these bizarre conversations with therapists because even when I tell them about my miserable alter, they don't want to talk about him or talk to him, they try to get me to mention alters as little as possible. I've seen so many therapists it's not even funny, so I know why that is- they don't know how to handle alters, or they're only used to people who randomly internet-dx themselves with alters and don't actually have DID, so it's best to just ignore all that and try to treat whatever they really do have going on. So I keep going to therapy and basically the therapists tell me I seem like a nice, successful, resilient guy. And I pay my 40 dollar copay and walk out like "wtf they won't help me." Because they won't ever talk to my alter. Who is too scared to go himself. And he's the fucker who wants to die. He doesn't hide that at all. He's tried to CTB several times in my life and even therapists tend to see that as some wacky fantasy thing and don't understand it was reality with our shared real body, even when I explicitly clarify. They get so bewildered. I don't really know what to say or what to do. I want help for my alters but no one will even try.
 
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LocalAngel

LocalAngel

Lost, wanting out.
Feb 7, 2023
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Hiya, another system here, professionally diagnosed and all.
Firstly, i'm self diagnosis as long as it's done with enough research and thought. I don't think categorizing people as fake simply because you think so is helpful to really anyone- it hurts them and doesn't benefit you, besides getting angry at someone.

Secondly, i'm... sadly unsurprised. Therapists usually just don't have enough years behind their belt to do anything with this- i'd highly recommend seeking out a clinical psychologist, one that specializes in dissociation. Easier said then done though, obviously. I just so happened to get lucky.

This shit isn't easy to deal with and i'm really sorry you're going through all of this. The best thing he needs is lots of care, affection, and just general understanding.. which you aren't getting from them. We're lucky to be in a position were we can try and support each other though, so that's probably your best bet while you try and get someone else to understand.

Kinda unrelated, but i think it's genuinely so fucking interesting that the brain can compartmentalize different aspects into different alters. My autism isn't the same as anothers in our system- things that would send me screaming in pain don't effect another at all- Just.. wild.
 
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Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
May 4, 2022
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Sorry to sound so naive- but is it something you have conscious control over? Can you choose to bring certain alters to the forefront? Could you maybe just bring him to the forefront before you speak to the therapist? Don't even tell them about the DID- just present them with him and his problems. Or- are there any that specialise in DID?

I suppose the main problem though- is many people try to avoid being totally truthful about their ideation- for fear of being sectioned. Still- so long as you say you have the thoughts- but, no intention of carrying them out- maybe it would be ok. I hope you can find someone to help.

Just a thought- but- if you can change your alters at will- could you maybe start taking him out? Not to work obviouly but simple stuff- going for a walk in a park. Somewhere where you don't have to do anything stressful but you could just be around other people. Do you have any friends that know about your condition that would be happy to spend time with him? I agree- I think isolation definitely adds to depression and ideation. Still- I imagine there are some public areas where you could be him unnoticed. I hope you can find something that works.
 
Sovereign

Sovereign

Sovereignty ought to be the prerogative.
Feb 23, 2023
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It sounds like you're going through a really difficult time and I'm sorry that you're not getting the help you need. It's important to remember that therapy is a collaborative effort and you have a right to advocate for the type of support that you need. If your therapist isn't willing to work with your alters, it may be worth seeking out a therapist who has experience working with dissociative disorders.

In the meantime, you might consider looking into support groups for people with DID or reaching out to organizations that specialize in providing support for people with dissociative disorders. It might also be helpful to develop a crisis plan in case your alter becomes suicidal again.

It's important to take care of yourself and your alters. Remember that you're not alone (ironic statement, I know) and there are people and resources available to help you through this difficult time.
 
SexyIncél

SexyIncél

🍭my lollipop brings the feminists to my candyshop
Aug 16, 2022
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My first thought: you'd benefit from a good radical therapist. Because competence is currently radical

The shrink-industrial complex seems to filter out imaginative people/traditions, in favor of normies-replicating-normies. But some slip through. It's not 100% or anything

I don't know all the traditions, but I like "person-centered therapy". One counselor likens it to walking alongside the client, as the client explores their universe

Also, I might consider "doubling" or "role reversal". Where the therapist/counselor plays your suicidal alter, and you continue as your public alter. (Or vice versa?) But I don't have experience in dealing with whatever problems come up, so YMMV

It's not only limited to therapy. For example, during disagreements it helps to show you can defend opponents' sides at least as well as they can. And activists use it to simulate difficult interactions

Where to find good therapists? I'll ask a therapist I know. Off the top of my head, I'd contact people who wrote decent papers on these two topics: person-centered therapy and psychodrama. I like Dave Mearns, but a quick googling doesn't show me his contact info
 
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Ah.ow

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Mar 12, 2024
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My first thought: you'd benefit from a good radical therapist. Because competence is currently radical

The shrink-industrial complex seems to filter out imaginative people/traditions, in favor of normies-replicating-normies. But some slip through. It's not 100% or anything

I don't know all the traditions, but I like "person-centered therapy". One counselor likens it to walking alongside the client, as the client explores their universe

Also, I might consider "doubling" or "role reversal". Where the therapist/counselor plays your suicidal alter, and you continue as your public alter. (Or vice versa?) But I don't have experience in dealing with whatever problems come up, so YMMV

It's not only limited to therapy. For example, during disagreements it helps to show you can defend opponents' sides at least as well as they can. And activists use it to simulate difficult interactions

Where to find good therapists? I'll ask a therapist I know. Off the top of my head, I'd contact people who wrote decent papers on these two topics: person-centered therapy and psychodrama. I like Dave Mearns, but a quick googling doesn't show me his contact info
can you elaborate some slip through?
 
fleetingnight

fleetingnight

incapable of shutting up
May 2, 2024
358
You've probably already tried this, but just in case I guess, have you looked for a therapist who specializes/has experience with DID? (It would be great to find one who actually has DID too, but I assume that has to be pretty rare.) The only site I know is therapyden, where you can look for specific traits/experience in a therapist, but I bet there are a lot of other sites, hopefully available in a lot of different areas around the world. (Also, I can't vouch for therapyden too much, because it was easy to use and all the therapists there had all their degrees and credentials and stuff listed, but I've never actually used a therapist recommended by them.)
 
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Forveleth

I knew I forgot to do something when I was 15...
Mar 26, 2024
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I've followed quite a few systems on social media and the recurring theme they all say (unfortunately) is that most therapists are not trained or equipped to even begin to help with DID. It's so frustrating to see the so-called "experts" in mental health leave out an entire sector of the field.

As others have suggested, have you thought about joining a DID support group? Maybe trying to find an actual DID expert even if they are few and far between.

As I am coming at this from the outside, excuse me if I sound a bit naive. It sounds like your alter is extremely lonely from being isolated and from suffering from some sort of social anxiety or something like that. Is there a way for you to slowly reintroduce them to the outer world? Are you able to go co-conscious with them? Maybe have them in the background while you do things to get them used to outer sights/sounds. Then potentially give them short time fronting? My thought is that if you can give them a safe space to be "out" and existing it would give them a big confidence boost and may help with their desire to ctb.

I know there is another user here who has DID and they might have some thoughts but I cannot remember their name of the life of me...
 
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