All of life should be destroyed – objections?

[bubo]

I agree whole heartedly.


if we're just born to die then what's the point in living? What's the point in dying even? It doesn't matter how successful we become, how far we get into life cuz' in the end we all die anyways. Wealth and looks will never matter. The things that make us happy right now, the people who traumatized us, none of it will ever matter. Once something dies it is forever gone, it can not come back to life and it never will. Humans are hypocrites anyways, it's in human nature to lie and betray for our own benefit. Humans are inherently violent and disgusting creatures. We don't like pain but we like the feeling it brings us, we make laws then don't even follow them but deem anyone who doesn't a "criminal" despite us raping children, or killing people anyone who does is a "bad person" and yet we don't even know how to define a "bad person" humans just care about their own image, not other people's lives or suffering. They only pretend to care so they can be seen as a "good person". We're just animals and yet have been put inside of a "society" whose rules we knew from the start wouldn't fit our animalistic impulses. I can't help but think "that's what we get.", it's our punishment. Since all humans are disgusting and vile creatures and life means nothing why *shouldn't* we just end it all? End humanity? It would only be doing good.

 

[Rapière]

Objections-- against what exactly? You haven't brought forth any real arguments that we could counter. You're merely expressing your resentment and discontent with life, which we can either agree or disagree wirh based on how we feel about the world. In the same way you say life is awful becaause there is suffering, someone could just as well say that life is great because there is pleasure.It's like making a thread titled "Vanila is my favorite ice cream flavor - objections?"

Maybe you should start by explaining why you think we have a moral duty to exterminate all life on earth?

 

[BEATNGU]

This response is neither right nor wrong. There can be multiple ways to reach a moral conclusion resulting in annihilation or universal ambition on the scope of survival. However this is dependent on the conclusion that morality is applicable to us and all life. Morality is a construct invented by us and any that give it recognition. This does not make it correct, imperical or otherwise. As someone who does not care for decisions made for me by others, if I had to make a choice it would be no. Not because I agree, disagree or even have an opinion on the matter. Rather, out of defiance of another saying what they believe is "best" for myself and others that they do not know. Fall that aside, intelligent design had it's say and it decided on creation. If there is no guarantee then there is no proof to the statement. It can suck for some but making such a unilateral choice is far too narrow.
This response is neither right nor wrong. There can be multiple ways to reach a moral conclusion resulting in annihilation or universal ambition on the scope of survival. However this is dependent on the conclusion that morality is applicable to us and all life. Morality is a construct invented by us and any that give it recognition. This does not make it correct, imperical or otherwise. As someone who does not care for decisions made for me by others, of I had to make a choice it would be no. Not because I agree, disagree or even have an opinion on the matter. Rather, out of defiance of another saying what they believe is "best" for myself and others that they do not know. All that aside, intelligent design had it's say and it decided on creation. If there is no guarantee then there is no proof to the statement. It can suck for some but making such a unilateral choice is far too narrow to be meaningfully enlightening.
This response is neither right nor wrong. There can be multiple ways to reach a moral conclusion resulting in annihilation or universal ambition on the scope of survival. However this is dependent on the conclusion that morality is applicable to us and all life. Morality is a construct invented by us and any that give it recognition. This does not make it correct, imperical or otherwise. As someone who does not care for decisions made for me by others, of I had to make a choice it would be no. Not because I agree, disagree or even have an opinion on the matter. Rather, out of defiance of another saying what they believe is "best" for myself and others that they do not know. All that aside, intelligent design had it's say and it decided on creation. If there is no guarantee then there is no proof to the statement. It can suck for some but making such a unilateral choice is far too narrow to be meaningfully enlightening.

 

[CowsAreCool]

Objections-- against what exactly? You haven't brought forth any real arguments that we could counter. You're merely expressing your resentment and discontent with life, which we can either agree or disagree wirh based on how we feel about the world. In the same way you say life is awful becaause there is suffering, someone could just as well say that life is great because there is pleasure.It's like making a thread titled "Vanila is my favorite ice cream flavor - objections?"

Maybe you should start by explaining why you think we have a moral duty to exterminate all life on earth?

I object chocolate is my favorite ice cream flavor. You have a moral duty to like chocolate ice cream

 

[NumbItAll]

When I am feeling bad I think life is terrible and shouldn't exist. When I am feeling okay I don't really think about it. Either way it is only an opinion so I wouldn't impose it on the rest of the planet. It is also a geocentric view since there could be infinite other life throughout the universe, and this wouldn't make any difference on a cosmic scale. Because my dumb ape brain has such a limited understanding of the problem, I would never take such an invasive measure. And that is a real shame because I actually have a giant planet-zapping space laser that is getting no use right now. :(

Also I am pretty sure the OP once made a thread admitting to smashing a kitten's skull for no reason, which was promptly deleted. Kinda wish it would have been left up just as an archive and to contextualize future posts.

 

[Dead Ghost]

Also I am pretty sure the OP once made a thread admitting to smashing a kitten's skull for no reason, which was promptly deleted. Kinda wish it would have been left up just as an archive and to contextualize future posts.

The message can still be found on the internet,... but I wouldn't dare rate it in the context of this thread. That message has its own well-defined context.
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El missatge encara es pot trobar a Internet,... pero no m'atreviría a valorar-lo en el contexte d'aquest fil. Aquell missatge te el seu propi contexte ben definit.

 

[Maudlin]

"It's a hell of a thing; killin' a man. You take away everything he ever had and ever would have."

Good movie quote from Clint.

Offing ones' own self is a personal right. Trying to extend that right to arbitrarily include others in your fantasy is toxic.

I should know. People call me toxic.

Think of it this way... if you off yourself, you no longer have to deal with all the rest of life out there. You leave it all to its' own devices... which you can't tolerate, anyway- or else why are you on this forum? If you truly hate all life enough to kill it, isn't it more insidious to leave it to its' own hateful devices while you check out... thus avoiding all its' problems and complexity entirely while it festers and tortures itself in all the ways that brought you to hate it so?

That's the way I see it for me, anyway. Except, of course for the flights of fancy I entertain for a despicable few. Sometimes I fear those flights of fancy are the only thing still keeping me from my own end.

But Everyone? All Life?

No. I'm simply incapable of mustering that much hate.

I have a soft spot for innocence, purity. And idealism (obviously). I still think innocence exists. Far be it from me to kill it.

 

[JustSwingingTheD]

Your username tells me how seriously to take this but for the sake of venting I'll share my view. You offer no real reason in your proposal to commit genocide. If you're going to say its the most humane thing that's about as logical as the fixers views only from an opposite end of the scale. I suspect there's an element of trolling going on here though and I doubt you really believe what you're suggesting. If you do then this is me raising my hand as one of the people in objection.

We are not talking about "genocide" here, you are using the word incorrectly. What i'm talking about is more like "armageddon" or something.

I offer no real reason because in the end, the wickedness of life is something you either see or you don't.

Honestly, what's the point of a universe without life? Gasses, rocks and minerals floating around coliding. Taking up space and negative space with nothing or nobody there to witness, wonder at or enjoy it.

And what exactly is the point of life?

Humans are parasites sure. I can't and won't argue against that but life is not the problem there. I believe in treating the issue not the symptoms. I don't believe the issue is life.

And what is the issue then?

I thought about replying to OP's second direct reply to me, but then it hit me that they're either a troll or a total psychopath - in either case I am better off not wasting my time and energy engaging. I encourage everyone who opposes this perspective to do the same.

You never had anything to say in the first place except "you have no authoritee". Good riddance.

Objections-- against what exactly? You haven't brought forth any real arguments that we could counter. You're merely expressing your resentment and discontent with life, which we can either agree or disagree wirh based on how we feel about the world. In the same way you say life is awful becaause there is suffering, someone could just as well say that life is great because there is pleasure.It's like making a thread titled "Vanila is my favorite ice cream flavor - objections?"

Maybe you should start by explaining why you think we have a moral duty to exterminate all life on earth?

To me, it's the deceptive nature of life that has convinced me of its wickedness. The way it keeps hiding it's true purposes, stabbing us in the back with our own essence.

We are all slaves to this purposeless dance. Bottomless hunger, pain and fear, for what? Just that generations after generations could be enslaved after us, to keep the wheels rolling for nothing. This goes for other animals too, not just for humans. One just can't look at how life functions at it's core and accept what they are seeing, unless one is either a mindless idiot, or a sadist.

I don't want to die, if i wanted to then that could be arranged quite easily. But i do wish i never had existed. I sincerely believe it would have been for the best. I project this belief to everything outside of me. There is nothing sadistic about this, on the contrary.

When I am feeling bad I think life is terrible and shouldn't exist. When I am feeling okay I don't really think about it. Either way it is only an opinion so I wouldn't impose it on the rest of the planet. It is also a geocentric view since there could be infinite other life throughout the universe, and this wouldn't make any difference on a cosmic scale. Because my dumb ape brain has such a limited understanding of the problem, I would never take such an invasive measure. And that is a real shame because I actually have a giant planet-zapping space laser that is getting no use right now. :(

Also I am pretty sure the OP once made a thread admitting to smashing a kitten's skull for no reason, which was promptly deleted. Kinda wish it would have been left up just as an archive and to contextualize future posts.

It would have been quite nice if we could have freely discussed what happened in that thread. But obviously it was too much for many people. And possibly against the forum rules.

That discussion was for that thread, and it wasn't allowed, so why come and ruin this thread by talking about it? Why don't you fuck off?

Think of it this way... if you off yourself, you no longer have to deal with all the rest of life out there. You leave it all to its' own devices... which you can't tolerate, anyway- or else why are you on this forum? If you truly hate all life enough to kill it, isn't it more insidious to leave it to its' own hateful devices while you check out... thus avoiding all its' problems and complexity entirely while it festers and tortures itself in all the ways that brought you to hate it so?

That's a one way to look at it.

No. I'm simply incapable of mustering that much hate.

I have to correct you there, it's not hatred that's motivating me here. On the contrary.

I have a soft spot for innocence, purity. And idealism (obviously). I still think innocence exists. Far be it from me to kill it.

Innocence is nothing but mental slavery. Something that given time, turns either into cynicism or despair, or possibly both.

There are also those who are born into this world already without a shred of innocence. Something to keep in mind.
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People accusing me of being a hateful, genocidal mass murderer to be, should remember that we are already all dead. The dozens of generations that will inevitably follow us to this life, are not.

 

[Maudlin]

We are not talking about "genocide" here, you are using the word incorrectly. What i'm talking about is more like "armageddon" or something.

I offer no real reason because in the end, the wickedness of life is something you either see or you don't.

And what exactly is the point of life?

And what is the issue then?

You never had anything to say in the first place except "you have no authoritee". Good riddance.

To me, it's the deceptive nature of life that has convinced me of its wickedness. The way it keeps hiding it's true purposes, stabbing us in the back with our own essence.

We are all slaves to this purposeless dance. Bottomless hunger, pain and fear, for what? Just that generations after generations could be enslaved after us, to keep the wheels rolling for nothing. This goes for other animals too, not just for humans. One just can't look at how life functions at it's core and accept what they are seeing, unless one is either a mindless idiot, or a sadist.

I don't want to die, if i wanted to then that could be arranged quite easily. But i do wish i never had existed. I sincerely believe it would have been for the best. I project this belief to everything outside of me. There is nothing sadistic about this, on the contrary.

I'd bet you'd have a great future ahead of you working with the World Economic Forum in any capacity, OP.

Then again, you might already be on board.

What is the point of life? You'll never know until you've lived, and lost it.

Some things have intrinsic value, until they don't anymore. Surely, you can understand that.
The profound beauty of some experiences can never be taken away, because they happened to you... you were there. The wrenching horror of other experiences are the same, but less palatable. The beautiful horrors are the ones that really make your mind whirl.

Would but I deny you those experiences, and you not think me sadistic? Could be I take pleasure in denying you... would that not be sadistic? Could be I take no pleasure, but would you not think it so? Just because you don't understand a thing, or its' purpose does not give you authority over it.

You don't understand the point of life. Learn it, before you deign to end it for another. With your own, you are free to do as you wish.

 

[odradek]

 

[Maudlin]

We are not talking about "genocide" here, you are using the word incorrectly. What i'm talking about is more like "armageddon" or something.

I offer no real reason because in the end, the wickedness of life is something you either see or you don't.

And what exactly is the point of life?

And what is the issue then?

You never had anything to say in the first place except "you have no authoritee". Good riddance.

To me, it's the deceptive nature of life that has convinced me of its wickedness. The way it keeps hiding it's true purposes, stabbing us in the back with our own essence.

We are all slaves to this purposeless dance. Bottomless hunger, pain and fear, for what? Just that generations after generations could be enslaved after us, to keep the wheels rolling for nothing. This goes for other animals too, not just for humans. One just can't look at how life functions at it's core and accept what they are seeing, unless one is either a mindless idiot, or a sadist.

I don't want to die, if i wanted to then that could be arranged quite easily. But i do wish i never had existed. I sincerely believe it would have been for the best. I project this belief to everything outside of me. There is nothing sadistic about this, on the contrary.

It would have been quite nice if we could have freely discussed what happened in that thread. But obviously it was too much for many people. And possibly against the forum rules.

That discussion was for that thread, and it wasn't allowed, so why come and ruin this thread by talking about it? Why don't you fuck off?

That's a one way to look at it.

I have to correct you there, it's not hatred that's motivating me here. On the contrary.

Innocence is nothing but mental slavery. Something that given time, turns either into cynicism or despair, or possibly both.

There are also those who are born into this world already without a shred of innocence. Something to keep in mind.
_____________________________

People accusing me of being a hateful, genocidal mass murderer to be, should remember that we are already all dead. The dozens of generations that will inevitably follow us to this life, are not.

"Innocence is nothing but mental slavery. Something that given time, turns either into cynicism or despair, or possibly both.
There are also those who are born into this world already without a shred of innocence. Something to keep in mind."

How did you come to these conclusions?

 

[symphony]

Have you heard of the "benevolent world exploder" thought experiment? There's an argument to be made, that, if there existed a button, that when pressed, would instantaneously and painlessly end all life, well, it might be justifiable to press that button.

I would seriously consider pressing that button. But of course, there can be no real-world analogue that's instantaneous and painless like the button is. I agree that it would be better on all metrics if all life ended, but I wouldn't want to realize that in practice.

Regardless, I don't think you're trolling.

 

[Maudlin]

Have you heard of the "benevolent world exploder" thought experiment? There's an argument to be made, that, if there existed a button, that when pressed, would instantaneously and painlessly end all life, well, it might be justifiable to press that button.

I would seriously consider pressing that button. But of course, there can be no real-world analogue that's instantaneous and painless like the button is. I agree that it would be better on all metrics if all life ended, but I wouldn't want to realize that in practice.

Regardless, I don't think you're trolling.

That's a new one to me. That's a head-scratcher. Thanks for bringing it up.

 

[Shivali]

What wants to live may live. I have no problem with that. But no one should feel compelled to live ...

 

[𖣴 nadia 𖣴]

Also I am pretty sure the OP once made a thread admitting to smashing a kitten's skull for no reason, which was promptly deleted. Kinda wish it would have been left up just as an archive and to contextualize future posts.

Fully agree, reputations shouldn't be laundered for people who confess to things like that, and it is relevant to the topic of this thread.

 

[Rounded Apathy]

Also I am pretty sure the OP once made a thread admitting to smashing a kitten's skull for no reason, which was promptly deleted. Kinda wish it would have been left up just as an archive and to contextualize future posts.

Fully agree, reputations shouldn't be laundered for people who confess to things like that, and it is relevant to the topic of this thread.

Sadly vindicating to see one of my previous theories apparently accurate.

 

[Disappointered]

Should one unit of suffering be allowed so that one unit of pleasure can exist? Never mind the units: does pleasure justify any suffering at all, even just a tiny amount? Should any suffering be justified by its interdependence with pleasure? I think I'd hit the button.

 

[WhatPowerIs]

Sadly vindicating to see one of my previous theories apparently accurate.

Shouldn't he be punished?

 

[JustSwingingTheD]

Fully agree, reputations shouldn't be laundered for people who confess to things like that, and it is relevant to the topic of this thread.

Doesn't make any difference, nothing stops me from making an another account. Why would i stick around as a persona non grata, when I didn't even get to properly discuss the incident, the only reason i made the cat killing thread in the first place?

Shouldn't he be punished?

You are welcome to try. But first, some free perspective: in certain western countries housecat gone feral is a pest animal that gets exterminated literally by millions by the local governments. Often by poisoning and other quite painful methods. Go direct your frustration to irresponsible cat owners. I never was a one. And for the record, i think that there should be a mandatory nationwide registry for domestic cats, as well as for dogs. Would pretty much stop potential cat killing maniacs such as myself on their tracks. None of this changes what happened on a personal level of course.

I didn't want to talk about this again, since the thread where i explained my actions and motivations thoroughly was removed. Really annoying that i have to repeat myself. Removing the thread did no service to anyone. I had, and still have some perspectives about violent behaviour and what causes it in a person, and I was willing to share, but i guess such discussion is forbidden in a suicide forum.

It many was years ago, I got bullied and neglected until i snapped. I felt like a hypocrite because i had eaten meat all my life and never "gotten my hands dirty". So i wanted to chance that. That was the rational line of thought behind the act. Of course the truth is that i just got pushed over the edge. Rational reasoning for violent behaviour can always be found when necessary. One simple, important truth about violence that i have realized.

Do i regret what i did? I'd put it this way: I could do much worse things (worse in the eyes of the law), i'm perfectly capable of. But i don't need to, and I didn't need to do even that. It was completely unnecessary.

People are now talking about the incident out of context in threads that have nothing to do with it. I didn't get to properly discuss the incident, but still have to deal with the feedback. Because of this I'm going to abandon this account and once i feel like posting something to this forum again, i will make a new one. I really don't have to explain myself or my behaviour, criminal or otherwise, to anybody, save a judge perhaps. I do it because i want to. I guess some people just rather shut their ears (and the ears of others as well) than talk about difficult stuff.

Should one unit of suffering be allowed so that one unit of pleasure can exist? Never mind the units: does pleasure justify any suffering at all, even just a tiny amount? Should any suffering be justified by its interdependence with pleasure? I think I'd hit the button.

The treacherous thing about pleasure is that it sometimes turns into pain. You get to experience some pleasure, but will be forced to regret it later on. The more pleasure you had, greater the regret.

Pain on the other hand, it usually stays as pain.

 

[Wormfood]

I firmly believe that on the grand scale, euthanizing all life would be ethically and morally the right thing to do.

There is no fixing life. Natures very nature is quite sadistic. Not all the way through, of course, but enough to make existence a pretty dreadful experience, even for many apex predators such as us humans. I think that is a pretty important point to make in relation to this discussion. Many of us humans live in luxury compared to most other living organisms.

Going beyond that, there is no reason for any of this. It's all a painful (sometimes extremely painful), completely pointless exercise.

Destroying all life on earth could be done pretty easily. Just create a few huge holes to the atmosphere for example, i'm sure that with modern scientific knowledge this could be done relatively easily.

Any time i bring this up anywhere, it seems that people either think i'm trolling, or they haven't even seriously considered the possibility, since nobody comments on my views in any way and just goes silent. Please give me your opinion. I feel like I need some feedback, tell me what's wrong with the way i think.

I know it's a quite narcissistic idea for one, thinking that i would have the authority to make a decision about something like this. But aren't all big dreams essentially narcissistic? We all must do (and dream to do) what we consider the right thing, regardless of our level of expertise or overall intelligence.

I understand enough about psychology to know that the human race would most likely never make a democratic decision in favor of something like this.

I firmly believe that on the grand scale, euthanizing all life would be ethically and morally the right thing to do.

There is no fixing life. Natures very nature is quite sadistic. Not all the way through, of course, but enough to make existence a pretty dreadful experience, even for many apex predators such as us humans. I think that is a pretty important point to make in relation to this discussion. Many of us humans live in luxury compared to most other living organisms.

Going beyond that, there is no reason for any of this. It's all a painful (sometimes extremely painful), completely pointless exercise.

Destroying all life on earth could be done pretty easily. Just create a few huge holes to the atmosphere for example, i'm sure that with modern scientific knowledge this could be done relatively easily.

Any time i bring this up anywhere, it seems that people either think i'm trolling, or they haven't even seriously considered the possibility, since nobody comments on my views in any way and just goes silent. Please give me your opinion. I feel like I need some feedback, tell me what's wrong with the way i think.

I know it's a quite narcissistic idea for one, thinking that i would have the authority to make a decision about something like this. But aren't all big dreams essentially narcissistic? We all must do (and dream to do) what we consider the right thing, regardless of our level of expertise or overall intelligence.

I understand enough about psychology to know that the human race would most likely never make a democratic decision in favor of something like this.

If you were a psychopath you'd only want to destroy the world. You my friend are a troll. One troll can see another from a far. I know you're not serious. Post more.
I take that back you're not trolling ( cause you want to live). Well... If you don't have a conscience then there's no reason against destroying all life. You basically be stopping all of the suffering in the world and all the pleasure at the same time. You'd be destroying families, killing kids, pets, butterflies and everything good about life. I would judge you as evil but I'm limited by a conscience. I
am not an Übermensch.

 

[Dead Ghost]

Doesn't make any difference, nothing stops me from making an another account. Why would i stick around as a persona non grata, when I didn't even get to properly discuss the incident, the only reason i made the cat killing thread in the first place?

You are welcome to try. But first, some free perspective: in certain western countries housecat gone feral is a pest animal that gets exterminated literally by millions by the local governments. Often by poisoning and other quite painful methods. Go direct your frustration to irresponsible cat owners. I never was a one. And for the record, i think that there should be a mandatory nationwide registry for domestic cats, as well as for dogs. Would pretty much stop potential cat killing maniacs such as myself on their tracks. None of this changes what happened on a personal level of course.

I didn't want to talk about this again, since the thread where i explained my actions and motivations thoroughly was removed. Really annoying that i have to repeat myself. Removing the thread did no service to anyone. I had, and still have some perspectives about violent behaviour and what causes it in a person, and I was willing to share, but i guess such discussion is forbidden in a suicide forum.

It many was years ago, I got bullied and neglected until i snapped. I felt like a hypocrite because i had eaten meat all my life and never "gotten my hands dirty". So i wanted to chance that. That was the rational line of thought behind the act. Of course the truth is that i just got pushed over the edge. Rational reasoning for violent behaviour can always be found when necessary. One simple, important truth about violence that i have realized.

Do i regret what i did? I'd put it this way: I could do much worse things (worse in the eyes of the law), i'm perfectly capable of. But i don't need to, and I didn't need to do even that. It was completely unnecessary.

People are now talking about the incident out of context in threads that have nothing to do with it. I didn't get to properly discuss the incident, but still have to deal with the feedback. Because of this I'm going to abandon this account and once i feel like posting something to this forum again, i will make a new one. I really don't have to explain myself or my behaviour, criminal or otherwise, to anybody, save a judge perhaps. I do it because i want to. I guess some people just rather shut their ears (and the ears of others as well) than talk about difficult stuff.

The treacherous thing about pleasure is that it sometimes turns into pain. You get to experience some pleasure, but will be forced to regret it later on. The more pleasure you had, greater the regret.

Pain on the other hand, it usually stays as pain.

You can always post the thread link in the cache of some web search engines and let people judge for themselves. As long as you think people can separate the two thread contexts and not interrelate them.
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Sempre pots penjar l'enllaç del fil que hi ha a la catxé d'alguns cercadors web i que la gent jutji per si mateixa. Sempre i quant creguis que la gent pot separar els dos contextes del fils i no interrelacionar-los.

 

[freevoid]

Should one unit of suffering be allowed so that one unit of pleasure can exist? Never mind the units: does pleasure justify any suffering at all, even just a tiny amount? Should any suffering be justified by its interdependence with pleasure? I think I'd hit the button.

This is my beef with this reality.

If every single person had perfect health, all their needs met, and the happiest lives ever but only so long as one singular person was tortured for the entirety of their existence, does that make it worth it? Does that make it right? In my opinion no it is never right. Although there would be plenty of people willing to make it right - so long as they are not the ones being tortured. I mean, it's already happening, that is our current reality.

If it's a "press a button and all life ceases to exist immediately with zero suffering and pain"deal, not like some drawn out thing, then yeah I am in favour. A reality where things endure horrible suffering in the first place is inherently broken in my opinion. A reality where things HAVE to endure suffering for the survival of others is absolutely unconscionable.

Also non existence is just....non existence. It's nothingness. Bizarre how people treat it as some horrifically awful thing. For anyone who ever undergone anaesthesia, or gotten absolutely black out drunk, congratulations you know the feeling. Why is that concept so violently and hysterically opposed? Was your time under anaesthesia awful and torturous? Was your time black out drunk awful and torturous? No, but i bet the hangover was, which can only happen with existence.

Also it's inevitable anyway. Who care if it's now, in a hundred years, in a million years. What does it matter when it happens, or how it happens, or who or what is involved? Things only mean things because you (the general "you") say they do. A person pressing a button to peacefully and immediately end life is a psychopath but a global disaster violently wiping out life is Natural and Right. Okay, if you say so *shrugs*

 

[gomenasai]

This is my beef with this reality.

If every single person had perfect health, all their needs met, and the happiest lives ever but only so long as one singular person was tortured for the entirety of their existence, does that make it worth it? Does that make it right? In my opinion no it is never right. Although there would be plenty of people willing to make it right - so long as they are not the ones being tortured. I mean, it's already happening, that is our current reality.

If it's a "press a button and all life ceases to exist immediately with zero suffering and pain"deal, not like some drawn out thing, then yeah I am in favour. A reality where things endure horrible suffering in the first place is inherently broken in my opinion. A reality where things HAVE to endure suffering for the survival of others is absolutely unconscionable.

Also non existence is just....non existence. It's nothingness. Bizarre how people treat it as some horrifically awful thing. For anyone who ever undergone anaesthesia, or gotten absolutely black out drunk, congratulations you know the feeling. Why is that concept so violently and hysterically opposed? Was your time under anaesthesia awful and torturous? Was your time black out drunk awful and torturous? No, but i bet the hangover was, which can only happen with existence.

Also it's inevitable anyway. Who care if it's now, in a hundred years, in a million years. What does it matter when it happens, or how it happens, or who or what is involved? Things only mean things because you (the general "you") say they do. A person pressing a button to peacefully and immediately end life is a psychopath but a global disaster violently wiping out life is Natural and Right. Okay, if you say so *shrugs*

Bravo, I quoted your whole post, because I like it so much. This is a sick game that the nature designed for us. Where those who are intelligent, attractive, and healthy are the natural winners, because they will not have to endure much suffering (by default). It's a disgusting system. Even if I had the most advantages in the world I would still prefer to never have been born instead of being a participant of this ugly game.

 

[freevoid]

Bravo, I quoted your whole post, because I like it so much. This is a sick game that the nature designed for us. Where those who are intelligent, attractive, and healthy are the natural winners, because they will not have to endure much suffering (by default). It's a disgusting system. Even if I had the most advantages in the world I would still prefer to never have been born instead of being a participant of this ugly game.

Yep 100%. Anything with Heirarchy is inherently flawed and evil in my opinion, because it will always mean one beings elevation at another beings expense. The game is rotten at it's core, by design, and the only way to win is to not play.

Which is why CTB is the only way for me. Even if my health became perfect overnight and I won the lottery and got everything I wanted, I would still go, because I morally cannot stomach this place.

Thank goodness I've pretty much always felt this way and never had kids, never subjected some poor beings to this realm.

 

[Maudlin]

I think I just realized very few folks on this forum have ever killed anything.

Well, that's good... I suppose.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I think this world WOULD be better off without HUMAN life but even then- if I was given the means/ decision to do it personally- I couldn't.

Nature may seem incredibly harsh and cruel to us but I'm not sure animals see it that way. I think most of the time, they are running mostly on instinct. I doubt when a prey animal is bring eaten alive that they are ruminating on how unfair it all is. If they manage to survive, I doubt they hold a grudge or feel bitter about it. They just go on and try to survive another day or, they die. Not to say that's a good or bad thing- it just is. Sometimes I wonder if it's our self awareness that is our biggest problem.

Like many other people here have said- it doesn't seem right to obliterate everything that looks 'evil' to us- because really- we don't actually understand any of it. As humans, we have this tendency to think we know what's best for everyone and everything whereas history really ought to have shown us by now that it's probably better to leave well alone and try harder to step back and understand rather than destroy.

 

[Maudlin]

I think this world WOULD be better off without HUMAN life but even then- if I was given the means/ decision to do it personally- I couldn't.

Nature may seem incredibly harsh and cruel to us but I'm not sure animals see it that way. I think most of the time, they are running mostly on instinct. I doubt when a prey animal is bring eaten alive that they are ruminating on how unfair it all is. If they manage to survive, I doubt they hold a grudge or feel bitter about it. They just go on and try to survive another day or, they die. Not to say that's a good or bad thing- it just is. Sometimes I wonder if it's our self awareness that is our biggest problem.

Like many other people here have said- it doesn't seem right to obliterate everything that looks 'evil' to us- because really- we don't actually understand any of it. As humans, we have this tendency to think we know what's best for everyone and everything whereas history really ought to have shown us by now that it's probably better to leave well alone and try harder to step back and understand rather than destroy.

I think you're on to something, there.

 

[Line]

Distinguish the world from feelings. Other people suffering has nothing to do with you and there's no responsibility that you should care for them. You only want to end suffering because you 'feel' like it, not because of some mathematical proof. Nothing would change if all lives are destroyed.

This is poor conduct of imposing opinions on others and ecouraging violent acts.

 

[jodes2]

I'm pro-choice, not pro-death

 

[JustSwingingTheD]

Distinguish the world from feelings. Other people suffering has nothing to do with you and there's no responsibility that you should care for them.

And i'm the psychopath?

You only want to end suffering because you 'feel' like it, not because of some mathematical proof.

Mathematical proof being central in the context how?

Nothing would change if all lives are destroyed.

Nothing except everything.

This is poor conduct of imposing opinions on others and ecouraging violent acts.

Life is a violent act. Ending for once and for all is the opposite of that.