Discussion After you die...?

[suicidalenby]

So I guess I just wanted to talk about something that I've talked about with some of the people I know irl and wanted to see your guys' thoughts on it.
When I die, I'm so hopeful that it's just,, nothing. I don't want to exist after I've already lived this life. Like, the whole concept of certain people getting rewarded while others get punished... that's just... scary. But one of my roommates feels the exact opposite of that, she's scared that she won't exist after they die. Wants to make a difference with the people they care about, which makes sense. I'm torn between desperately wanting to matter to someone to leave an impact and feeling like it's completely futile. And if I do end up successfully ctb at some point, I wouldn't want to have to see the people I left behind. Curious of your guys' opinions.

 

[Zegers]

Back to earth? not sure, maybe it would only under specific circumstances

 

[ringo99]

The concept of the afterlife was invented to assuage the fears of oblivion after death and to provide us with a sense of accountability for the actions taken and choices made throughout our lives. I believe there's nothing after death. You simply cease to exist. The only things you leave behind are the consequences of your actions.

 

[R.E.N.]

If nonexistence is infinite after death, then why was it not infinite before? If your answer to that is something along the lines that you are a random chance of sapience, then you probably affiliate with it all being futile most than the alternative.

 

[lonely_men23]

If nonexistence is infinite after death, then why was it not infinite before? If your answer to that is something along the lines that you are a random chance of sapience, then you probably affiliate with it all being futile most than the alternative.

exactly bro, so what do you think brought us alive today,do you believe in god.

 

[asphyxiangel]

after death is the same as before birth. you've already experienced the nothingness void before

 

[qw3rty259]

If nonexistence is infinite after death, then why was it not infinite before? If your answer to that is something along the lines that you are a random chance of sapience, then you probably affiliate with it all being futile most than the alternative.

You're misunderstanding nonexistence, you're talking like you were in that nonexistence and then it suddenly stopped for your by your birth. There weren't you and you hadn't your "temporal nonexistence". It's just that biologicall organism was created whose brain is capable of conscious thinking, when it's dead - it's over.

exactly bro, so what do you think brought us alive today,do you believe in god.

Parents dude

 

[R.E.N.]

exactly bro, so what do you think brought us alive today,do you believe in god.

I still believe it's chance and infinity

You're misunderstanding nonexistence, you're talking like you were in that nonexistence and then it suddenly stopped for your by your birth. There weren't you and you hadn't your temporal nonexistence. It's just that biologicall organism was created whose brain is capable of conscious thinking, when it's dead - it's over.

What is stopping this perception and experience from being reconstructed again in infinite time so seemingly instantaneous for that conscious?
People discredit this with the idea of continued conscious, a "You". However, if your conscious is merely attributed to the brain, then it is replicable and the gaps are simply not perceived. You're betting against probability.

 

[suicidalenby]

exactly bro, so what do you think brought us alive today,do you believe in god.

honestly i think it probably was just random chance, i don't really know though. there *could* be a god, but if there is then they're cruel and awful to let this much suffering happen in the world. it makes a lot more sense in my head, the way evolution works it would make sense for everything to just be chance.

 

[venin]

The concept of the afterlife was invented to assuage the fears of oblivion after death and to provide us with a sense of accountability for the actions taken and choices made throughout our lives. I believe there's nothing after death. You simply cease to exist. The only things you leave behind are the consequences of your actions.

Well put

 

[qw3rty259]

What is stopping this perception and experience from being reconstructed again in infinite time so seemingly instantaneous for that conscious?
People discredit this with the idea of continued conscious, a "You". However, if your conscious is merely attributed to the brain, then it is replicable and the gaps are simply not perceived. You're betting against probability.

It's impossible because your brain and everything what is responsible for your personality is destroyed when you're dead. I don't know what you're imagining there, you're not born with your "reconstructed" knowledge and characteristics, you know nothing at the beginning. New babies are being born, but it's just another individuals, not you.

I guess you're talking about reincarnation or something like that. Then you have to understand, that there are more and more people on this earth, if everyone was reincarnated, there couldn't be new souls so to say. Of course, you can always come up with another fascinating idea of souls creating new souls somewhere or something like that. It's just ridiculous.

 

[spacewaster]

A few friends of mine have died during surgery. They were all brought back but they all had similar experiences of going to a facility and speaking to "God". I've heard other people share stories of the same facilty and a similar "God" figure. There was no heaven or hell. They just woke up in a different place.

I believe you either go back to the nothingness that was before youre born..or you just go somewhere else like they did.

I've been to the void in DMT trips. Haven't had a break through yet. Maybe I'm scared to meet those same people on the other side or scared to realize it really is all hallucinations from a natural DMT brain dump upon death and there is just nothing waiting for me.

 

[WhyWasIBorn]

"I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark." - Stephen Hawking

"All those pathetic lonely people fooling one another into their clumsy games of afterlife and cosmic relevance just to avoid noticing the nauseating sadness of their real lives" - Edgar Cantero

 

[lonely_men23]

honestly i think it probably was just random chance, i don't really know though. there *could* be a god, but if there is then they're cruel and awful to let this much suffering happen in the world. it makes a lot more sense in my head, the way evolution works it would make sense for everything to just be chance.

the thing is after watching some documentories about near death experience, it will make think about life and the soul.

I still believe it's chance and infinity

What is stopping this perception and experience from being reconstructed again in infinite time so seemingly instantaneous for that conscious?
People discredit this with the idea of continued conscious, a "You". However, if your conscious is merely attributed to the brain, then it is replicable and the gaps are simply not perceived. You're betting against probability.

have you watched some documentories about near death experience, it will make you question evertything about life and the soul.

 

[Forever Sleep]

If nonexistence is infinite after death, then why was it not infinite before? If your answer to that is something along the lines that you are a random chance of sapience, then you probably affiliate with it all being futile most than the alternative.

Why do you suppose the states of before birth and after death are the same though? Just because we don't know about either- it makes them the same? We don't know about other galaxies either. Does that mean they will contain planets with all the elements we already know about? We don't even know about all the creatures that inhabit this earth. Does that mean they don't exist?

The nature of consciousness clearly isn't understood yet. Maybe it is something that survives without a physical entity. Maybe it's just something that exists as a byproduct of how our brains work. Who's to say this sense of self we have isn't just another evolutionary adaption- like losing our tails and walking on two legs? Why does it need to come from anywhere?

Who's to say we aren't taught some of it? Like language. Language doesn't come from some mystic void. We happen to have brains that can learn stuff like it and we're taught. From an early age, we are taught how important we are as an individual. Our parents, family, school and society all inform us that how WE perceie the world is important. How we're feeling is important. What we like to do. What we're good at. Aren't our identities formed from this? We're not born as fully developed and self conscious beings. Babies are more like animals- functioning on instincts. In part- we are taught to become so self aware.

Even if our consciousness is recylced- chances are your future incarnations won't remember your current life- or- any of your past lives. Do you remember any of your past lives? In which case- whatever is recylced- if it even is- likely doesn't retain memory. So- for those of us who hate the idea of reincarnation (me included,) perhaps, we have nothing to worry about- in terms of being aware of living billions of years. If reincarnation IS a thing- chances are- we've already lived billions of years. But- we only retain the memories/ experience of one life cycle. So- if 'you' do come back- you'll just be someone else starting out again as you were this time round. Fingers crossed the next life goes better.

Personally, I'm not sure but I think consciousness may well just be an evolutionary trait that gave the human species an edge over other creatures. It makes sense that it would... Having an enormous sense of self importance is likely to enable a species to dominate. You have to hand it to our race- according to us- we don't even die! Lol.

 

[FuneralCry]

I very strongly believe we completely cease existing after we leave this world and to me this is the only relief, the thought of eternal nothingness is comforting and I only wish to completely forget about this existence, I see existence as just being a tragic, unnecessary mistake in the first place, death is finally freedom.

 

[Starry✧･ﾟDaze]

I'm gonna quote myself from another thread yesterday:

I see life as the little fire of a candle.
It suddenly sparks out of nothing, burns a while and when it is blown out, it doesn't just disappear. It becomes smoke.
Nothing that ever existed truly disappears ever. It just becomes something different. Energy never disappears.

So I don't believe in afterlife, or any conscious stuff happening after death. But I believe in physics, science and energy conservation law and that we go back to whatever we were before and therefore never really cease to exist.

It sounds peaceful to me Idk.

 

[sammiechzxv]

So I guess I just wanted to talk about something that I've talked about with some of the people I know irl and wanted to see your guys' thoughts on it.
When I die, I'm so hopeful that it's just,, nothing. I don't want to exist after I've already lived this life. Like, the whole concept of certain people getting rewarded while others get punished... that's just... scary. But one of my roommates feels the exact opposite of that, she's scared that she won't exist after they die. Wants to make a difference with the people they care about, which makes sense. I'm torn between desperately wanting to matter to someone to leave an impact and feeling like it's completely futile. And if I do end up successfully ctb at some point, I wouldn't want to have to see the people I left behind. Curious of your guys' opinions.

There's obviously no way to 100% know what happens when you die but I've heard stories from people who've been clinically dead for a bit & most have basically just said "it's like sleeping without dreaming." which sounds like the best possible scenario imo... & yeah, I agree that the concept of "heaven & hell" is terrifying. I think religion is a cult like any other though, and the idea of heaven & hell is just a way into scaring you to join it.

 

[R.E.N.]

It's impossible because your brain and everything what is responsible for your personality is destroyed when you're dead. I don't know what you're imagining there, you're not born with your "reconstructed" knowledge and characteristics, you know nothing at the beginning. New babies are being born, but it's just another individuals, not you.

I guess you're talking about reincarnation or something like that. Then you have to understand, that there are more and more people on this earth, if everyone was reincarnated, there couldn't be new souls so to say. Of course, you can always come up with another fascinating idea of souls creating new souls somewhere or something like that. It's just ridiculous.

I am not saying I understand it all, just that it is likely that if you existed once then it is likely to happen again. And by reconstruction, I mean rebirth yes.
>muh personality
I am saying continued conscious is likely forever, like an object staying in motion. You only live once in the sense of your self now, but to say your perception will stop sensing for eternity is impossible with that time not felt until eventual rebirth (like this one).
I don't even know what you are trying to refute in the second paragraph. Plus, it gets btfo'd by the idea that every living being has the same conscious/soul experiencing it all (I am agnostic of souls in a way)
It seems to me you staunchly wish to not exist afterwards.

the thing is after watching some documentories about near death experience, it will make think about life and the soul.

have you watched some documentories about near death experience, it will make you question evertything about life and the soul.

Dying can release a lot of neurotransmitters that produce hallucinations and the like that correspond to that person's perceptual set. It seems unreliable to me because they are not actually dead too

 

[ANONYMOUSM]

personally i believe in Agnosticism I dont know if there is a god or not the after life could just be a void of nothingness or there could be a whole heaven or hell scenario the universe is filled with infinite possibilities so anything could happen

 

[qw3rty259]

I am saying continued conscious is likely forever

Roughly saying, you're basically losing consciousness every night by lowering your brain activity. If your brain is dead you're just lost forever.

I don't even know what you are trying to refute in the second paragraph.

In the second paragraph I tell you, that if everybody is reincarnating then why there's more and more souls for some reason. Where do they come from then? For example take 1000 people, they reproduce, and one year later there is more than a thousand. But you always can develop your fairy tale more by imagining mechanism of creating of souls or something, like I said.

It seems to me you staunchly wish to not exist afterwards.

No, I don't care, even If the theory of reincarnation were real, it would change absolutely nothing. You're not remembering your former self or anything whatsoever, so why would it bother me? I'm saying that there is absolutely nothing that implies or hints that the thing like that is real. It's just people who can't put up with the fact that they and their loved ones will die and that our life is not so special and sacral in any way, so they come up with these different ideas of what comes next. People did it constantly throughthout history with religion and metaphysic philosophers who were trying to explain the word with the lack of scientific knowlege.

I am not saying I understand it all, just that it is likely that if you existed once then it is likely to happen again.

In general, such a brilliant conclusion, "if you did it once then you'll likely do it again", lmao. I have nothing to say to this. But in the end, yeah, you can see the things like you want and are comfortable with.

 

[fxndi]

Babies are more like animals- functioning on instincts. In part- we are taught to become so self aware.

I think thats because their brains are underdeveloped, not because you are taught to become self aware but rather your brain developing over time

 

[R.E.N.]

Roughly saying, you're basically losing consciousness every night by lowering your brain activity. If your brain is dead you're just lost forever.

In the second paragraph I tell you, that if everybody is reincarnating then why there's more and more souls for some reason. Where do they come from then? For example take 1000 people, they reproduce, and one year later there is more than a thousand. But you always can develop your fairy tale more by imagining mechanism of creating of souls or something, like I said.

No, I don't care, even If the theory of reincarnation were real, it would change absolutely nothing. You're not remembering your former self or anything whatsoever, so why would it bother me? I'm saying that there is absolutely nothing that implies or hints that the thing like that is real. It's just people who can't put up with the fact that they and their loved ones will die and that our live is not so special and sacral in any way, so they come up with these different ideas of what comes next. People did it constantly throughthout history with religion and metaphysic philosophers who were trying to explain the word with the lack of scientific knowlege.

In general, such a brilliant conclusion, "if you did it once then you'll likely do it again", lmao. I have nothing to say to this. But in the end, yeah, you can see the things as you want and comfortable with.

You are just attacking the believer rather than the argument. It really bothers you enough to reply like this. Well then, I don't really care to entertain someone who refers to themselves as a "pathetic failure" and mocks a civil discussion. I said what I wanted to say about reincarnation.

 

[qw3rty259]

You are just attacking the believer rather than the argument. It really bothers you enough to reply like this. Well then, I don't really care to entertain someone who refers to themselves as a "pathetic failure" and mocks a civil discussion. I said what I wanted to say about reincarnation.

hehehe, you were even creeping on my profile looking for something to mock me or what, idk... a very confident move i must say...

 

[Forever Sleep]

I think thats because their brains are underdeveloped, not because you are taught to become self aware but rather your brain developing over time

I guess that's kind of my point though- does that not mean what we understand as consciousness develops as the brain does? So- it is connected to the brain. It's not sonething that is fully developed that floats in at birth or- when the child becomes more self aware. I do kind of agree- it's not exactly something that is taught. But it IS something we learn in a way- because we become aware of it. We become aware of our own thinking and emotions. So- why is consciousness not just another sense like sight and hearing? Something that is utterly dependant on our physical bodies and specifically, the brain. I wonder why some of us have the feeling it is something more. I'm unsure myself on what I believe to be honest.

I suppose it depends on what you think consciousness is. Is it just awareness? Then- anything with a nervous system has it surely. OR- do we REALLY mean the ability/ perhaps curse of SELF awareness. To realise that we are alive and to be able to contemplate our own death. In which case- we DON'T have that at birth and I'm not convinced all animals have it either. I'm not saying animals don't have emotions or mourn over dead relations. I'm just not so sure they contemplate their own deaths like we do. I don't think babies do either. So- if self awareness is a part of consciousness and consciousness is something separate from the human body- why does it not express itself in full form in animals and infants?

 

[Myexit]

Of course there is nothing after ctb and successfully reaching the final destination. Nobody will meet n greet you, there is nothing, just peace n quite like being in a deep sleep forever

 

[アホペンギン]

My mentality used to be: "I'll be a legend!" I disregarded what would happen to me after death and not how other people would feel about the situation. Even then, they would still not remember me as a legend but as a coward. Or they'd miss me. Now, i really don't care how people remember me as long as theres nothing for me. I'd love it if i was forgotten, as if i never existed. As for how it would be for me, I'd like it if it was nothing, void. Its much more preferable than being alive, in my opinion. Life is dreadful.

 

[Zegers]

I think the concept of "life after death" and even what this rolling rock is, is something deeply personal and subjective, is it a simulation? is it something totally random? nobody knows, just as nobody knows what will happen afterwards.

you've already experienced the nothingness void before

For some, the void is now

 

[fxndi]

I suppose it depends on what you think consciousness is. Is it just awareness? Then- anything with a nervous system has it surely. OR- do we REALLY mean the ability/ perhaps curse of SELF awareness.

Well we will never know for sure what exactly it is until the human brain is fully understood biologically

 

[mothercoin]

The truth is nobody knows for sure what happens after you die, so your belief becomes the truth. It makes sense to me that people get to choose after they die whether the soul merges back into collective consciousness, and then you continue to evolve your soul through reincarnation, or choose for your soul to dissipate and never experience consciousness again.

It also makes me think of a short story called The Egg by Andy Weir, you can find it if you google.