(Accidental) Opioid Overdose is Saved and a Vegetable

[lmon]

This is my only cause for hesitating with nitrogen hypoxia. If sodium nitrite fails, we've had members come back with their faculties fully intact. But the risks with a nitrogen failure could be the same as with an opioid overdose.

I'm undergoing a medical procedure in a couple weeks where I will be prescribed a liberal amount of oxycodone for pain management during recovery, and there's simply no way I would ever contemplate using a medication like that other than prescribed. (Actually, part of the reason I will be placed on oxycodone is precisely because my specialist KNOWS I'm suicidal, and he doesn't want me to CTB as a means of pain relief. Incidentally, making this post reminds me that I need to discontinue naltrexone, so I can be certain the oxycodone will be effective when I need it to be.)

I keep posting on here asking people if they've ever heard of someone becoming a vegetable from nitrogen hypoxia. no one has ever heard of it in all their research, and they point out that if there had been a case like this, it would be blown up by pro lifers in the media

 

[Ta555]

I keep posting on here asking people if they've ever heard of someone becoming a vegetable from nitrogen hypoxia. no one has ever heard of it in all their research, and they point out that if there had been a case like this, it would be blown up by pro lifers in the media

Just because it hasn't been mentioned doesn't mean it's not possible. Of course it's possible. The brain is not like a switch where you're absolutely fine and the next second you're dead. Cells start dying off and it's a process and from what I understand the frontal lobes/cortex goes first and the vital functions like breathing, heart beat etc goes last. So yes. If your bag was removed or enough oxygen got in while some of your brain cells had died but not others you'd end up with brain damage. So yes, it's definitely possible. Whether it has actually happened is another matter.
I have read of a guy who got memory and cognitive problems after using helium but he didn't actually know what he was doing. He did everything wrong basically. He filled his exit bag with helium then shut off the tank and sealed airtight around his neck. There was no helium flow so he was breathing in helium and replacing it with breathed out carbon dioxide so there was not enough helium to kill him. This is why you research and follow instructions carefully

 

[lmon]

Just because it hasn't been mentioned doesn't mean it's not possible. Of course it's possible. The brain is not like a switch where you're absolutely fine and the next second you're dead. Cells start dying off and it's a process and from what I understand the frontal lobes/cortex goes first and the vital functions like breathing, heart beat etc goes last. So yes. If your bag was removed or enough oxygen got in while some of your brain cells had died but not others you'd end up with brain damage. So yes, it's definitely possible. Whether it has actually happened is another matter.
I have read of a guy who got memory and cognitive problems after using helium but he didn't actually know what he was doing. He did everything wrong basically. He filled his exit bag with helium then shut off the tank and sealed airtight around his neck. There was no helium flow so he was breathing in helium and replacing it with breathed out carbon dioxide so there was not enough helium to kill him. This is why you research and follow instructions carefully

never said it wasn't possible yo

 

[Greenberg]

Just because it hasn't been mentioned doesn't mean it's not possible. Of course it's possible. The brain is not like a switch where you're absolutely fine and the next second you're dead. Cells start dying off and it's a process and from what I understand the frontal lobes/cortex goes first and the vital functions like breathing, heart beat etc goes last. So yes. If your bag was removed or enough oxygen got in while some of your brain cells had died but not others you'd end up with brain damage. So yes, it's definitely possible. Whether it has actually happened is another matter.
I have read of a guy who got memory and cognitive problems after using helium but he didn't actually know what he was doing. He did everything wrong basically. He filled his exit bag with helium then shut off the tank and sealed airtight around his neck. There was no helium flow so he was breathing in helium and replacing it with breathed out carbon dioxide so there was not enough helium to kill him. This is why you research and follow instructions carefully

I believe the question here is... presuming one uses nitrogen and fails, how likely would that person get brain damage?

 

[YMN]

I hate it when doctors play God and think stuff like this is some miracle. Seriously what goes through their minds? "Ah yes, this patient's going to be effectively braindead/a vegetable and have absolutely no quality of life or chance of recovery... let's bring them back to life." One of my biggest fears of ctb is that I'll become a vegatable via a failed attempt. And instead of pulling the plug, my family will lug me around in a wheelchair all while telling some sob story to media outlets as I have no ability to get a say in the matter.

 

[summers]

This was an "accidental" overdose. He wasn't trying to kill himself, just get high and took things a little too far.

If you don't have an opioid tolerance, most reports say 200mg is fatal. Unless you have some shit quality dope, or are already close to being a junkie, 2g of H is going to end you in a couple mins.

 

[Ta555]

This was an "accidental" overdose. He wasn't trying to kill himself, just get high and took things a little too far.

If you don't have an opioid tolerance, most reports say 200mg is fatal. Unless you have some shit quality dope, or are already close to being a junkie, 2g of H is going to end you in a couple mins.

I don't think it matters if it was accidental or on purpose...if you see someone is basically brain damaged to a large extent why keep them alive? I know that sounds cruel but I think most people would not want to live like this if they had a choice. I've made it clear to people close to me that under no circumstances am I ok with living with brain damage whatever the cause may be and to not keep me alive under any circumstances.

 

[summers]

I don't think it matters if it was accidental or on purpose...if you see someone is basically brain damaged to a large extent why keep them alive? I know that sounds cruel but I think most people would not want to live like this if they had a choice. I've made it clear to people close to me that under no circumstances am I ok with living with brain damage whatever the cause may be and to not keep me alive under any circumstances.

I agree 100% - that guy is basically in a living hell every moment he is conscious. The problem is, many people can be resuscitated from an od with minimal or no lasting effects. In this particular case, I don't think the response was wrong - he (probably) wasn't suicidal, just someone looking to party. It may not even have been his fault - if he was used to taking a certain amount of H, and this time it was cut with more F than usual or just higher purity, he may have thought he was bring safe and just getting high as normal.

I've read about a few failed opioid od's on ss. Many of them involve pills, patches, or simply not enough of the drug. Like I said, if 200mg is the minimal fatal dose for most non-tolerant people, it doesn't make sense to only do double that amount. H is definitely cheap enough to buy 10x the lethal dose.

I haven't found any concrete data, but I would imagine because you are cooking the solute into a solution using heat and citric or ascorbic acid, you could probably obtain a concentration of 500mg-1000mg/ml - which means at most, you would need to inject 5ml of the solution for 2000mg of H.

 

[Kristicide]

There can be only one , SN. The only method i haven't seen any brain damage in survivors , SN.

Just one mechanism how SN prevents brain damage is because SN causes extreme vasodilation of blood vessels in the brain .

I'm curious - since SN increases/widens the blood vessels in the brain, which is likely why you would get a headache from SN, the same mechanism which causes my migraines, I wonder if instead of taking ibuprofen as the pain med with it I could use Sumatriptan (Imitrex)? Sumatriptan constricts the blood vessels so would this be counterintuitive to the process? Wouldn't ibuprofen also be constricting/reducing inflammation of the blood vessels?

 

[grungeCat]

Bravo!! Congratulations doctors!!! You saved him, you saved his life!!!! Now he will suffer way more than before as a vegetable but who cares!!!!

Of course it's very dark sarcasm. Keeping suicidal person alive as a vegetable is the most sadistic and cruel thing doctors can do.

 

[summers]

Bravo!! Congratulations doctors!!! You saved him, you saved his life!!!! Now he will suffer way more than before as a vegetable but who cares!!!!

Of course it's very dark sarcasm. Keeping suicidal person alive as a vegetable is the most sadistic and cruel thing doctors can do.

He wasn't suicidal, unless I'm missing something. I think it was an honest od - partied too hard.

 

[Someone123]

How is it that SN doesn't cause damage if the attempt fails? I read that N is supposedly neuroprotective and this is responsible for it also not causing permanent damage in some cases that were reversed. But surely at some point the lack of oxygen will start to cause damage in the brain.

If you are rescued at just the right time there must be some risk of brain damage from Sn, but in practice it seems to never happen; it must be a small window of time.

 

[grungeCat]

He wasn't suicidal, unless I'm missing something. I think it was an honest od - partied too hard.

Oh shoot, my bad. You're right. Still, making somebody a vegetable is terrifying

 

[Ta555]

I agree 100% - that guy is basically in a living hell every moment he is conscious. The problem is, many people can be resuscitated from an od with minimal or no lasting effects. In this particular case, I don't think the response was wrong - he (probably) wasn't suicidal, just someone looking to party. It may not even have been his fault - if he was used to taking a certain amount of H, and this time it was cut with more F than usual or just higher purity, he may have thought he was bring safe and just getting high as normal.

I've read about a few failed opioid od's on ss. Many of them involve pills, patches, or simply not enough of the drug. Like I said, if 200mg is the minimal fatal dose for most non-tolerant people, it doesn't make sense to only do double that amount. H is definitely cheap enough to buy 10x the lethal dose.

I haven't found any concrete data, but I would imagine because you are cooking the solute into a solution using heat and citric or ascorbic acid, you could probably obtain a concentration of 500mg-1000mg/ml - which means at most, you would need to inject 5ml of the solution for 2000mg of H.

I never understand why people who go for OD CTB don't combine it with something else like partial, bag over head or just doing in the tub in the hopes of drowning. Like that would be my first plan. Actually my plan is already to combine at least two methods.

 

[summers]

I never understand why people who go for OD CTB don't combine it with something else like partial, bag over head or just doing in the tub in the hopes of drowning. Like that would be my first plan. Actually my plan is already to combine at least two methods.

When you od with an opioid IV (with the intention of dying), you usually only have seconds until you're unconscious. People who od on pure F are usually found with the syringe still in their arms because it hits so fast and hard. Done right, you don't need a backup when mainlining opioids. But that is the only good option - trying to od with pills or patches is foolish and risky when there is a guaranteed method. If you want to go the oral route, N or SN are much better options.

 

[Crazy4u]

I hate it when doctors play God and think stuff like this is some miracle. Seriously what goes through their minds? "Ah yes, this patient's going to be effectively braindead/a vegetable and have absolutely no quality of life or chance of recovery... let's bring them back to life." One of my biggest fears of ctb is that I'll become a vegatable via a failed attempt. And instead of pulling the plug, my family will lug me around in a wheelchair all while telling some sob story to media outlets as I have no ability to get a say in the matter.

this is the reason I'm considering shooting at my heart instead of my head. If I fail, I won't become a vegetable. It is really unfortunate to choose extremely painful way to go just because society WON'T let me go peacefully. I consider keeping someone alive after becoming a vegetable a CRIME against humanity