About killing yourself with near 100 % certainty

[Arak]

As an introduction, I'm approaching my fifties, in very poor health and it's likely to get a lot worse. In my case 'the doctors did it'. I live in a so-called 'safe country' in Western Europe. A lot is regulated, no guns etc. If I were to survive a suicide attempt with serious injuries it could be gruesome.

I wouldn't expect a combination of barbiturates and opiates to work. Prescription drug history.

After a lot of in depth research I have come to the conclusion that the odds are a lot worse than I had imagined. Death by blood loss ? All those compensatory mechanisms, and a human body can survive 40 to 50 % loss of blood volume. And there is always the danger of being 'rescued'. You're not that likely to survive a suicide attempt in very remote areas, in the end dehydration, infection or predators would get you. Unfortunately, it's densely populated here and there is no way I could travel to a high mountain in the Himalayas. Health.

Two approaches.

1) Poison. Potassium cyanide or sodium cyanide would work, but access to those substances is extremely restricted. I'm no hero and if it takes weeks to 'work' I can see myself asking for 'help'. Most plant poisons are unreliable. I wouldn't want to take an industrial chemical without knowing how it actually works. I mean, how do I know it would work for me ? Availability of lethal pesticides is poor to absent. 'safe society'. I wish it was still the 1970s ...

So I'm asking here for options that are reasonably quick, almost certainly lethal, and practical

2) Blunt force trauma. Firing a projectile with sufficient mass and speed through the brain stem would work. Someone suggested a mini rail gun, but those do not exist yet ... I don't see myself getting a gun (legal/practical restrictions) and heavy caliber bullet. Other options ? I know a small nuke would work ...

3) Fantasy options ? Like something you do before going to bed and never waking up. Like pressing a button, not likely.

4) Again a bit like a fantasy I think. I know carbon monoxide would work, but actually getting a sealed room, very high concentration of that substance without 'complications' like walking out in a delirious state ... Strangulation and surviving that somehow seems gruesome. I know in theory it's easy ...

 

[hunter_lewis]

As an introduction, I'm approaching my fifties, in very poor health and it's likely to get a lot worse. In my case 'the doctors did it'. I live in a so-called 'safe country' in Western Europe. A lot is regulated, no guns etc. If I were to survive a suicide attempt with serious injuries it could be gruesome.

I wouldn't expect a combination of barbiturates and opiates to work. Prescription drug history.

After a lot of in depth research I have come to the conclusion that the odds are a lot worse than I had imagined. Death by blood loss ? All those compensatory mechanisms, and a human body can survive 40 to 50 % loss of blood volume. And there is always the danger of being 'rescued'. You're not that likely to survive a suicide attempt in very remote areas, in the end dehydration, infection or predators would get you. Unfortunately, it's densely populated here and there is no way I could travel to a high mountain in the Himalayas. Health.

Two approaches.

1) Poison. Potassium cyanide or sodium cyanide would work, but access to those substances is extremely restricted. I'm no hero and if it takes weeks to 'work' I can see myself asking for 'help'. Most plant poisons are unreliable. I wouldn't want to take an industrial chemical without knowing how it actually works. I mean, how do I know it would work for me ? Availability of lethal pesticides is poor to absent. 'safe society'. I wish it was still the 1970s ...

So I'm asking here for options that are reasonably quick, almost certainly lethal, and practical

2) Blunt force trauma. Firing a projectile with sufficient mass and speed through the brain stem would work. Someone suggested a mini rail gun, but those do not exist yet ... I don't see myself getting a gun (legal/practical restrictions) and heavy caliber bullet. Other options ? I know a small nuke would work ...

3) Fantasy options ? Like something you do before going to bed and never waking up. Like pressing a button, not likely.

4) Again a bit like a fantasy I think. I know carbon monoxide would work, but actually getting a sealed room, very high concentration of that substance without 'complications' like walking out in a delirious state ... Strangulation and surviving that somehow seems gruesome. I know in theory it's easy ...

don't have any tips for you but totally feel you on this-it is a bitch!!!

 

[leavinghope]

As an introduction, I'm approaching my fifties, in very poor health and it's likely to get a lot worse. In my case 'the doctors did it'. I live in a so-called 'safe country' in Western Europe. A lot is regulated, no guns etc. If I were to survive a suicide attempt with serious injuries it could be gruesome.

I wouldn't expect a combination of barbiturates and opiates to work. Prescription drug history.

After a lot of in depth research I have come to the conclusion that the odds are a lot worse than I had imagined. Death by blood loss ? All those compensatory mechanisms, and a human body can survive 40 to 50 % loss of blood volume. And there is always the danger of being 'rescued'. You're not that likely to survive a suicide attempt in very remote areas, in the end dehydration, infection or predators would get you. Unfortunately, it's densely populated here and there is no way I could travel to a high mountain in the Himalayas. Health.

Two approaches.

1) Poison. Potassium cyanide or sodium cyanide would work, but access to those substances is extremely restricted. I'm no hero and if it takes weeks to 'work' I can see myself asking for 'help'. Most plant poisons are unreliable. I wouldn't want to take an industrial chemical without knowing how it actually works. I mean, how do I know it would work for me ? Availability of lethal pesticides is poor to absent. 'safe society'. I wish it was still the 1970s ...

So I'm asking here for options that are reasonably quick, almost certainly lethal, and practical

2) Blunt force trauma. Firing a projectile with sufficient mass and speed through the brain stem would work. Someone suggested a mini rail gun, but those do not exist yet ... I don't see myself getting a gun (legal/practical restrictions) and heavy caliber bullet. Other options ? I know a small nuke would work ...

3) Fantasy options ? Like something you do before going to bed and never waking up. Like pressing a button, not likely.

4) Again a bit like a fantasy I think. I know carbon monoxide would work, but actually getting a sealed room, very high concentration of that substance without 'complications' like walking out in a delirious state ... Strangulation and surviving that somehow seems gruesome. I know in theory it's easy ...

Why not full suspension hanging?

 

[Trashcan]

Maybe hanging or the exit bag? People have done partial with a scarf, belt, and the belt of a bath robe. You don't even have to be in contact with the floor. I'm sorry about your situation and hopefully you can find something.

 

[nasblue]

Inert gases and CO are fail-safe if done properly.
Can't live without oxygen.

 

[Arak]

Why not full suspension hanging?

Hanging versus strangulation: low body weight. Sources recommend strangulation.

Several variations. In the place I live in the ceiling is low. I know I could try to rent a place or something else ...
Basically, I´d need a place where I´d be alone for quite some time and certain parameters are met.

I read about strangulation with your feet on the ground. Basically, I can forsee all kinds of survival mechanisms kicking in. Actually not so much survival as the wish to escape the extreme suffering. I´ve read remarks about death convulsions, autonomous nervous system kicking in ... I could ´see´ a place at least 4 meters high ceiling, the correct rope, a point to fasten the rope to ... even then, I might try to loosen the rope, climb up and if it lasts too long call for help ... I´m no hero. If I´d survive with serious CNS injury that would be truly horrific, given my current health situation.

I don´t like the odds. And it seems like a gruesome way to die.

 

[Arak]

Maybe hanging or the exit bag? People have done partial with a scarf, belt, and the belt of a bath robe. You don't even have to be in contact with the floor. I'm sorry about your situation and hopefully you can find something.

Exit bag ? If I recall correctly, put something over your head to prevent accces to oxygen or use some gas like nitrous oxide (at best hard to get locally, in sufficient quantities). It seems unreliable. What would prevent it from sliding off, me removing it while not being dead yet near death moment autonomous nervous system kicking in ?

 

[Arak]

Inert gases and CO are fail-safe if done properly.
Can't live without oxygen.

True. Implementation is much harder.

 

[PatKat]

As an introduction, I'm approaching my fifties, in very poor health and it's likely to get a lot worse. In my case 'the doctors did it'. I live in a so-called 'safe country' in Western Europe. A lot is regulated, no guns etc. If I were to survive a suicide attempt with serious injuries it could be gruesome.

I wouldn't expect a combination of barbiturates and opiates to work. Prescription drug history.

After a lot of in depth research I have come to the conclusion that the odds are a lot worse than I had imagined. Death by blood loss ? All those compensatory mechanisms, and a human body can survive 40 to 50 % loss of blood volume. And there is always the danger of being 'rescued'. You're not that likely to survive a suicide attempt in very remote areas, in the end dehydration, infection or predators would get you. Unfortunately, it's densely populated here and there is no way I could travel to a high mountain in the Himalayas. Health.

Two approaches.

1) Poison. Potassium cyanide or sodium cyanide would work, but access to those substances is extremely restricted. I'm no hero and if it takes weeks to 'work' I can see myself asking for 'help'. Most plant poisons are unreliable. I wouldn't want to take an industrial chemical without knowing how it actually works. I mean, how do I know it would work for me ? Availability of lethal pesticides is poor to absent. 'safe society'. I wish it was still the 1970s ...

So I'm asking here for options that are reasonably quick, almost certainly lethal, and practical

2) Blunt force trauma. Firing a projectile with sufficient mass and speed through the brain stem would work. Someone suggested a mini rail gun, but those do not exist yet ... I don't see myself getting a gun (legal/practical restrictions) and heavy caliber bullet. Other options ? I know a small nuke would work ...

3) Fantasy options ? Like something you do before going to bed and never waking up. Like pressing a button, not likely.

4) Again a bit like a fantasy I think. I know carbon monoxide would work, but actually getting a sealed room, very high concentration of that substance without 'complications' like walking out in a delirious state ... Strangulation and surviving that somehow seems gruesome. I know in theory it's easy ...

Why not use N? Just fall asleep and its over and its near 100%

 

[Arak]

Why not use N? Just fall asleep and its over and its near 100%

Nitrous oxide ? Like used by dentists in the USA ? I could get small quantities, but I wouldn´t know where to get a large tank. Again, not in the USA. I take it sources are tricky ... I just checked Amazon UK ... nope.

 

[PatKat]

Nitrous oxide ? Like used by dentists in the USA ? I could get small quantities, but I wouldn´t know where to get a large tank. Again, not in the USA. I take it sources are tricky ... I just checked Amazon UK ... nope.

No N is Phenobarbital

 

[Arak]

Thre was a reason for 1) and 2) in my opening post.

 

[Arak]

No N is Phenobarbital

Likely you mean pentobarbital. i don´t think it would work. A combo of that and a powerful opiate might sedate and help with something else, but cross tolerance is a bitch ...

Phenobabital, impossible to overdose at least for me. Maybe 10 kg would do it ...

 

[PatKat]

Likely you mean pentobarbital. i don´t think it would work. A combo of that and a powerful opiate might sedate and help with something else, but cross tolerance is a bitch ...

Phenobabital, impossible to overdose at least for me. Maybe 10 kg would do it ...

Pretty sure 2 bottles of N would kill you just sayin.

 

[Marystevenson1001]

Sodium Nitrite (SN)?

 

[Deivis]

Arak, you're clearly a newcomer here, so welcome!

You can get a tank of nitrogen virtually everywhere in the world. Pure Nitrogen, not NOX.
Ask around. And you can test-run it. It's not that goddamn Novichok chemical weapon :)
It wont kill you if you remove the bag within 1 minute. But you'll have the understanding how
peaceful and reliable it is.

 

[Trashcan]

Exit bag ? If I recall correctly, put something over your head to prevent accces to oxygen or use some gas like nitrous oxide (at best hard to get locally, in sufficient quantities). It seems unreliable. What would prevent it from sliding off, me removing it while not being dead yet near death moment autonomous nervous system kicking in ?

Lots of people have done it, if done properly, it won't slip off. Not really sure how to do it but I also know someone used a full face scuba diving mask (but those are very expensive). Hopefully you do find something else that works for you. Potassium chloride might also be another option.
You just need:
Potassium chloride (you can get it in the powder form OTC here in the US, I'm not sure about your country. Then you can grind it up).
IV catheter (I have been able to order them online. Another option is a hypodermic needle but you'll need to make sure it doesn't slip out, an IV is less likely to slip out). There's also tons of tutorials on how to insert an IV.
A tourniquet could help you find a vein.
An IV bag.
Then just connect the IV bag to the IV, put in potassium chloride mixed with minimal water (just enough to dissolve), put the bag up, and then cardiac arrest will quickly follow.

I almost did this method. I used a hypodermic needle and was able to hit a vein easily. The only reason it didn't work was because it slipped out. The IV is more secure because the needle won't be sticking out at all. In fact there is a straw that will replace the needle.

 

[Arak]

@Deivis ,

Nitrogen ? To make nitrous oxide, or to commit the deed with nitrogen itself ?

Potassium chloride ? Took a quick look, http://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/cyanide-potassium-chloride Not the most reliable and possibly quite painful. Yes, in theory you could inject yourself with sodium chloride ... A few sources, it seems the odds go up when combined with other drugs/methods. What if you survive with brain damage ?
I'll read more but it doesn't seem like a first choice method. I like my options 1) and 2) better ...

 

[Arak]

I once read a report about someone killing himself with a crossbow ...
Seems very difficult to execute properly, especially without experience/strength/aim. You'd neeed the right crossbow.

There are way too many options for suicide that are likely not to prove lethal. As for jumping from great heights: aside from osteoporosis and low body weight, there are no truly high buildings or mountains over here. The odds are that I'd be clumsy be enough to surivive a 80 meter fall. And get 'help'. As for drowning, horrific and lots of practical issues.

Lethal, instant blunt force trauma or quick death by poisoning.

 

[weedoge]

As an introduction, I'm approaching my fifties, in very poor health and it's likely to get a lot worse. In my case 'the doctors did it'. I live in a so-called 'safe country' in Western Europe. A lot is regulated, no guns etc. If I were to survive a suicide attempt with serious injuries it could be gruesome.

I wouldn't expect a combination of barbiturates and opiates to work. Prescription drug history.

After a lot of in depth research I have come to the conclusion that the odds are a lot worse than I had imagined. Death by blood loss ? All those compensatory mechanisms, and a human body can survive 40 to 50 % loss of blood volume. And there is always the danger of being 'rescued'. You're not that likely to survive a suicide attempt in very remote areas, in the end dehydration, infection or predators would get you. Unfortunately, it's densely populated here and there is no way I could travel to a high mountain in the Himalayas. Health.

Two approaches.

1) Poison. Potassium cyanide or sodium cyanide would work, but access to those substances is extremely restricted. I'm no hero and if it takes weeks to 'work' I can see myself asking for 'help'. Most plant poisons are unreliable. I wouldn't want to take an industrial chemical without knowing how it actually works. I mean, how do I know it would work for me ? Availability of lethal pesticides is poor to absent. 'safe society'. I wish it was still the 1970s ...

So I'm asking here for options that are reasonably quick, almost certainly lethal, and practical

2) Blunt force trauma. Firing a projectile with sufficient mass and speed through the brain stem would work. Someone suggested a mini rail gun, but those do not exist yet ... I don't see myself getting a gun (legal/practical restrictions) and heavy caliber bullet. Other options ? I know a small nuke would work ...

3) Fantasy options ? Like something you do before going to bed and never waking up. Like pressing a button, not likely.

4) Again a bit like a fantasy I think. I know carbon monoxide would work, but actually getting a sealed room, very high concentration of that substance without 'complications' like walking out in a delirious state ... Strangulation and surviving that somehow seems gruesome. I know in theory it's easy ...

Oh hi. My method personally is carbon monoxide too. I think walking out the room in a delirious state i s unlikely but you're right that the logistics can be a pain in the ass. I'm going in a tent, very easy to seal and set up, but I'm guessing you may be looking for something more comfortable than a small tent.

 

[Slacker]

Are you able to travel inside the eu?

 

[TheLastStraw]

Double barrel 12 gauge to the brain stem is statistically the most quick and effective

Hell if you want you could use 2 db shotguns and set them off at the same time, it's actually my plan

 

[Arak]

Are you able to travel inside the eu?

Yes.

But doing that, and climbing to the top of a mountain so I can jump from 400 metres on a hard surface is a tough call .. I'm not expecting any help with that ...

 

[Arak]

Double barrel 12 gauge to the brain stem is statistically the most quick and effective

Hell if you want you could use 2 db shotguns and set them off at the same time, it's actually my plan

No guns here unless you're police or a hardcore criminal.

 

[windingdown]

Hello!

I think a sufficient dose of Nembutal (N) is probably the most reliable method for anyone.

Sodium nitrite also seems to be a reliable method, not very painful or drawn out, and hard to mess up. It is accessible (eBay) and cheap. The main thing seems to be that you shouldn't be found for a while (perhaps minimum 1 hour), nor call for medical help yourself. The poisoning is highly reversible if medical care is given. But without it, it seems to be a safe bet.

Partial suspension hanging is also a highly reliable method, quite quick, and should not be very painful. You don't need to weigh a lot - women with a low bodyweight do it successfully, too.

 

[Arak]

@Azure

Nembutal is very hard to get, isn't it ? I haven't checked recently, but likely Peru or somewhere else in South America and such ?

Sodium nitrate, another thread 'It's trickier if you live in Europe. Try searching for its CAS # (7632-00-0). You might find labs that sell in smaller quantities, although rare. There are also a few sellers on eBay.co.uk, but I personally don't trust them.'

Looks more difficult here, but 'CAS 7632-00-0' appears to be the keyword.
@Azure , in one of your posts you cautioned against cheap offers. 450 gr for GBP 11 or 100 gr for GBP 8, postage in the UK 3.45 GBP ... Too good to be true ?

500 gr from minerals-water for 6.42 GBP ?

(and note to self: of course, anti emetics and possibly more)

What about the mechanism of action ?
One description of symptoms '3-15% - Slight discoloration (eg, pale, gray, blue) of the skin

• 15-20% - Cyanosis, though patients may be relatively asymptomatic

• 25-50% - Headache, dyspnea, lightheadedness (even syncope), weakness, confusion, palpitations, chest pain

• 50-70% - Abnormal cardiac rhythms; altered mental status, delirium, seizures, coma; profound acidosis

• >70% - Usually, death'

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sodium-nitrite.111/ well ... I'd also need to be sure that 'sodium bicarbonate' is not present
I'm just not sure about the symptoms and the mechanism of action, I'll study a bit more.
'httpx://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/a?dbs+hsdb:@term+@DOCNO+757' replace x
'SIGNS AND SYMPTOMS/ Signs and symptoms of nitrite poisoning include intense cyanosis, nausea, vertigo, vomiting, collapse, spasms of abdominal pain, tachycardia, tachypnea, coma, convulsions and death. Injection and inflammation of gastric and intestinal mucosa are described at autopsy. /Inorganic nitrite salts/'
I'm not sure about the effects on an already compromised CNS ... and time till death ? I'll read more, but I'd want to be very sure before doing this. I'm just reading a few anecdotal reports. I get the feeling that it's at least as bad as sodium cyanide, and less reliable and slower. Too bad I don't have the connections of that Serb war criminal who managed to poison himself with cyanide ...

And I see there is a difference between oral and injection ...

I can see myself calling for 'help' if it is gruesome and takes too long ...

A quote from the web 'I've decided to use sodium azide due to its fast action and almost certain death. Almost went with sodium nitrite but its drawn out and not always certain.'

Another quote '
Even though nitrates are vital to all plant and animal life, overexposure can lead to serious, negative health effects. Nitrates are converted into nitrites by bacteria in our saliva, stomach, and intestines, and it is primarily the nitrites that cause toxicity.

Nitrites oxidize the iron component of red blood cells (hemoglobin), rendering them unable to carry oxygen. The resulting condition is called methemoglobinemia, and the lack of oxygen is the reason behind the characteristic pale to blue-gray color of the skin. The severity of methemoglobinemia is directly proportional to the percentage of red blood cells affected. The higher the percentage, the more serious the symptoms, and the more blue the patient appears.''
'Symptoms of nitrate poisoning can vary depending on the amount and duration of the exposure. Those with very mild methemoglobinemia might not have any symptoms at all, or might appear a little pale and feel tired. Moderate-to-severe poisoning is associated with cyanosis (blueness of the skin), confusion, loss of consciousness, seizures, abnormal heart rhythms, and death'

And time till death, really ?

Another thread: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/can-anyone-give-me-a-short-basic-intro-on-sodium-nitrate.649/

I don't get a good feeling from reading this. Reliability, time till death, seems like a horrible way to die, possible survival ? Makes me long for a shotgun or similar ...

 

[Arak]

I did post in a few other threads.

About sodium nitrate:
Antiemetic metoclopromide not available in Europe ? Ways to counter ? 10 gr is now recommended ?

 

[couldntthinkofaname]

dont overthink


thin steelrope + 4m+ drop = works like a guillotine and your head gets chopped off

 

[Merseymike]

I did post in a few other threads.

About sodium nitrate:
Antiemetic metoclopromide not available in Europe ? Ways to counter ? 10 gr is now recommended ?

Yes. Is there anything over the counter?

 

[couldntthinkofaname]

btw i read about a guy who built is own guillotine, put a timer on it and went to sleep while placing his head under the guillotine


he didnt woke up