Story A typical r/SuicideWatch thread

[NaughtyGirl]

We did it guys, we saved, poor innocent people who would have otherwise committed suicide.



I think I'm gonna kill myself and say it was because of the annoying Reddit censorship just to prove the point.

 

[Darkmoon Queen]

Reddit is a cesspit. I wish I could find it but someone posted, "what is a conspiracy theory that you believe?" and every single reply got censored.

Thank God pro-rape and pro-paedo Reddits still run rampant though...

 

[TheHatedOne]

This is so Reddit I can't even...

Edit: Seeing the stupidity going around there I'd go back to Reddit a bit to make a post like that and mess with those evil idiots for some good laughs. I'd post the results here.

 

[NaughtyGirl]

Thank God pro-rape and pro-paedo Reddits still run rampant though...

So wait, Reddit is a cesspit because they censor things you want to talk about but they're also a cesspit because they don't censor things you don't like? Come on.

There are quite a few subreddits related to the rape kink and that's great but I've never heard about any pro-pedo sub. They technically don't even allow pictures of loli which is stupid.

 

[Darkmoon Queen]

So wait, Reddit is a cesspit because they censor things you want to talk about but they're also a cesspit because they don't censor things you don't like? Come on.

There are quite a few subreddits related to the rape kink and that's great but I've never heard about any pro-pedo sub. They technically don't even allow pictures of loli which is stupid.

I don't see how that's a contradiction. If they're choosing to censor 'conspiracy theories' but not pro-abuse Reddits, yes, that makes it a cesspit. It shows us where their priorities lie when people can be openly misogynist and kiddy fiddlers but can't toss around theories on 5G and Bill Gates.

I'm not going to link any but pro-paedo (or pro 'MAP', as they call themselves) Reddits do exist.

As for loli, that's another discussion but I'd consider that to be cesspit material as well, yes.

 

[FuneralCry]

Censoring conversations about suicide will not reduce suicides. It will just make people more isolated. The only way to reduce suicides is for society to focus on the underlying causes of what makes people suicidal in the first place. Suicide should not be such a taboo, in fact we have the right to exit this world at a time of our choosing. We deserve euthanasia.

 

[NaughtyGirl]

I don't see how that's a contradiction. If they're choosing to censor 'conspiracy theories' but not pro-abuse Reddits, yes, that makes it a cesspit. It shows us where their priorities lie when people can be openly misogynist and kiddy fiddlers but can't toss around theories on 5G and Bill Gates.

I'm not going to link any but pro-paedo (or pro 'MAP', as they call themselves) Reddits do exist.

As for loli, that's another discussion but I'd consider that to be cesspit material as well, yes.

It's like saying that a man is bad because he beats his children but he's also bad because he doesn't beat his wife. I guess, it's not a contradiction but it tells me the person saying this hasn't thought it through. What about not beating anyone and what about not censoring anything that's not direct threats of violence or straight up illegal (although then there can be a discussion as to whether something should be legal or not)?

Censoring subreddits dedicated to fantasies or art is literally censoring people's thoughts. It's advocating for the introduction of a thought crime.

Also, using the names like pro-rape or pro-abuse is dumb and misleading. It's the same level of misleading as calling abortion or euthanasia a murder. Unless you literally mean subreddits where people sincerely argue that it should be legal to have sex with whoever they want to without needing a consent. I don't know about any such sub and I imagine you're simply refering to kinky subreddits.

As for loli, that's another discussion but I'd consider that to be cesspit material as well, yes.

It's ok for you to think it's a cesspit material but arguing that it should be censored is another matter.

 

[Ironweed]

How this subreddit is still up is a mystery to me. Probably because it is too small? And even there you can't discuss methods.

Reddit - The heart of the internet

www.reddit.com

 

[Darkmoon Queen]

It's like saying that a man is bad because he beats his children but he's also bad because he doesn't beat his wife.

How. This makes zero sense. I'm actually not pro-censorship unless it is something that is extreme (i.e. illegal pornography and gore etc), I think allow everything to stay in the open and let the chips fall where they may. But if you're coming down on innocuous shit like lizard people and New World Order while allowing things that are a moral affront, yes, it's extremely suspect and speaks to your interests and motivations.

I guess, it's not a contradiction but it tells me the person saying this hasn't thought it through. What about not beating anyone and what about not censoring anything that's not direct threats of violence or straight up illegal (although then there can be a discussion as to whether something should be legal or not)?

I'm not sure what beating people has to do with online censorship. Why would I censor a direct threat of violence? I'd want to show the police.

Censoring subreddits dedicated to fantasies or art is literally censoring people's thoughts. It's advocating for the introduction of a thought crime.

When it's thoughtcrime connected to hurting children and/or depicting them sexually, that's a kind of thoughtcrime I'm alright with. That said, there's an argument to be made for not censoring it so we don't drive participants onto the dark web and we can keep an eye on them.

When it comes to misogynist fantasies of rape etc, how come we're okay with that but if we call a woman 'sweetheart' in the supermarket, that's when shit gets real? It's a complete contradiction. And these contradictions are where people start getting pissed off.

Also, using the names like pro-rape or pro-abuse is dumb and misleading. It's the same level of misleading as calling abortion or euthanasia a murder. Unless you literally mean subreddits where people sincerely argue that it should be legal to have sex with whoever they want to without needing a consent. I don't know about any such sub and I imagine you're simply refering to kinky subreddits.

It isn't dumb and misleading, it's accurate. There are kink subreddits, which I don't care about, and then there are subreddits that ARE pro-abuse. Mostly run by men, notably.

 

[NaughtyGirl]

How. This makes zero sense. I'm actually not pro-censorship unless it is something that is extreme (i.e. illegal pornography and gore etc), I think allow everything to stay in the open and let the chips fall where they may. But if you're coming down on innocuous shit like lizard people and New World Order while allowing things that are a moral affront, yes, it's extremely suspect and speaks to your interests and motivations.

Ok, then I guess maybe I misunderstood. You're basically arguing against hypocrisy, nonsense and duplicity of Reddit and I agree with that.

I'm not sure what beating people has to do with online censorship. Why would I censor a direct threat of violence? I'd want to show the police.

Well, if someone makes a post that reads "user X should be executed" and it gets 10.000 upvotes then apart from informing the authorities it should be likely removed too.

When it's thoughtcrime connected to hurting children and/or depicting them sexually, that's a kind of thought crime I'm alright with.

Fantasies don't hurt anyone. Drawings depicting fictional children or stories about children having sex don't hurt anyone either. If a research found that viewing those things caused people to go and molest actual children and that the strength of causality was indeed worryingly high, then I guess I'd be against it. But there is no such research. And as every incel can confirm, being exposed even to real porn in massive amounts, doesn't seem to improve one's chances of having actual sex. Although there are ofc other reasons why real CP is illegal. Also rape kink is a thing but I think we generally came to terms with the notion that just because someone fantasizes about being either a victim or a perpetrator doesn't mean they want the thing to happen in real life.

I don't think there are any subreddits where you can share fantasies or fictional sex stories featuring children but if there are any, then it's fine with me until someone shows me that otherwise innocent people who visit them are being turned into child molesters. I don't buy the argument that it's simply wrong by definition even if there is no victim.

But I'm also fine with philosophical and ethical discussions. It's actually far from obvious why for example it's ok to scare children to death with visions of hell or why it's ok to procreate if someone is poor and/or have genetic disease thus ensuring that the children will have a difficult and a miserable life but anything even remotely sexual is automatically viewed as the worst thing that can be done to a child. Making statements like this one is what most people automatically call "being pro-pedo", and that's basically how far they're willing to go which is sad. Such discussions should absolutely be allowed on Reddit too. I guess you can do it on something like r/philosophy.

I mean, hell, if it's ok to argue that abortion should be illegal because the rights of a brainless clump of matter are more important than the rights of a woman, a conscious being, capable of feeling pain and suffering, then I fail to see how anything could off the limit.

Freedom of speech/expression/thought near absolutism is really the only reasonable option in my opinion.

That said, there's an argument to be made for not censoring it so we don't drive participants onto the dark web and we can keep an eye on them.

Yeah, I remember arguing that having terrorists plan their attacks on facebook groups would actually be pretty useful.

When it comes to misogynist fantasies of rape etc, how come we're okay with that but if we call a woman 'sweetheart' in the supermarket, that's when shit gets real? It's a complete contradiction. And these contradictions are where people start getting pissed off.

I agree. Although, are women who get mad at being called that way, the same women who post their naked pictures on something like r/rapefantasies asking men what they'd do with them? I don't think so. Or maybe someone is mad for being called that way but thinks sub like that one should be left intact? Well, I'd rather take that person over the one with opposite characteristics.

It isn't dumb and misleading, it's accurate. There are kink subreddits, which I don't care about, and then there are subreddits that ARE pro-abuse. Mostly run by men, notably.

Ok then.

 

[Darkmoon Queen]

Ok, then I guess maybe I misunderstood. You're basically arguing against hypocrisy, nonsense and duplicity of Reddit and I agree with that.

Yeah, of all of the social media sites really.

Well, if someone makes a post that reads "user X should be executed" and it gets 10.000 upvotes then apart from informing the authorities it should be likely removed too.

Only if it's a credible threat of harm. Key here is that you said "user x" but if there's no way of finding user x, it isn't a credible threat.

If, however, you say that John Smith of 123 Anywhere Street, London, England should be executed, it should absolutely be investigated. That's the line for me; CAN it be carried out? Is it doxing? If not, it's just idiots on the internet who'll quickly move onto another user x.

Drawings depicting fictional children or stories about children having sex don't hurt anyone either.

I disagree. There's a case to be made for it being a gateway to real children but there's also the wider question of what our culture comes to allow. I believe it's a slippery slope if we become more accommodating of certain things like this.

If a research found that viewing those things caused people to go and molest actual children and that the strength of causality was indeed worryingly high, then I guess I'd be against it. But there is no such research. And as every incel can confirm, being exposed even to real porn in massive amounts, doesn't seem to improve one's chances of having actual sex.

No, but prolonged exposure to even legal pornography re-wires the brain like a drug does; when once you might have been looking up vanilla things like blowjobs, one day that won't do anything for you. So you move onto kinks that you'd never really thought about before.. until they don't get you aroused either. And that's where the danger comes in. We're now getting young men looking for illegal pornography when it had never even previously occurred to them.

Just to clarify, no, I don't believe in banning legal porn. But I do believe in regulating its use. That's for the individual. I'd also like to see our society become less sexualised.

Although there are ofc other reasons why real CP is illegal. Also rape kink is a thing but I think we generally came to terms with the notion that just because someone fantasizes about being either a victim or a perpetrator doesn't mean they want the thing to happen in real life.

True.

I don't think there are any subreddits where you can share fantasies or fictional sex stories featuring children but if there are any, then it's fine with me until someone shows me that otherwise innocent people who visit them are being turned into child molesters. I don't buy the argument that it's simply wrong by definition even if there is no victim.

I don't think you partake in those subreddits unless you're already halfway there. True, they don't turn normal people into child molesters, but they're harbouring those with an unhealthy interest in children and paedophiles are not known to hold off on their urges. It's actually the crime with the highest recidivism rate at around 70%.

No one normal hangs around paedo fantasy subreddits.

But I'm also fine with philosophical and ethical discussions. It's actually far from obvious why for example it's ok to scare children to death with visions of hell or why it's ok to procreate if someone is poor and/or have genetic disease thus ensuring that the children will have a difficult and a miserable life but anything even remotely sexual is automatically viewed as the worst thing that can be done to a child.

This is apples and pears, it's ALL wrong. One hand does not wash the other. Child sexual abuse leads to personality disorders and suicides in later life. Child abusers should be strung up.

Making statements like this one is what most people automatically call "being pro-pedo", and that's basically how far they're willing to go which is sad. Such discussions should absolutely be allowed on Reddit too. I guess you can do it on something like r/philosophy.

I wouldn't call it 'pro-paedo' right off the bat but I would observe that it's a Devil's Advocate that I've only seen paedophiles make. It's like when cannabis users immediately deflect with either, "it's a plant" or "alcohol is worse". It's moral relativism.

I mean, hell, if it's ok to argue that abortion should be illegal because the rights of a brainless clump of matter are more important than the rights of a woman, a conscious being, capable of feeling pain and suffering, then I fail to see how anything could off the limit.

I don't believe abortion should be illegal but again, I don't see how this is anything but moral relativism.

Freedom of speech/expression/thought near absolutism is really the only reasonable option in my opinion.

I think we have a responsibility to those who can't protect themselves (i.e. children and the severely handicapped) but barring that, I think all views should be allowed to air.

I agree. Although, are women who get mad at being called that way, the same women who post their naked pictures on something like r/rapefantasies asking men what they'd do with them?

In some cases, they're actually the ones most likely to do it. It's as if they have to make a big deal out of the little things because they can't own their fantasies, it's strange.

 

[Catloaf]

Every time I visited that subreddit I felt worse. When I check SS, I feel slightly better.

 

[ClownMe]

God I hate reddit.

 

[Amalur]

Your first mistake was going on reddit in the first place, lmao.

 

[deflationary]

But if you're coming down on innocuous shit like lizard people and New World Order

Pretty sure there's no site-wide rule about discussing any of this? r/conspiracy has over 1.5 million subscribers... Maybe some specific subs don't allow that shit but then I'm pretty sure that most subs wouldn't allow anything that could be considered pro-pedo or pro-rape either.

 

[Darkmoon Queen]

Pretty sure there's no site-wide rule about discussing any of this? r/conspiracy has over 1.5 million subscribers... Maybe some specific subs don't allow that shit but then I'm pretty sure that most subs wouldn't allow anything that could be considered pro-pedo or pro-rape either.

I feel like you don't have a very accurate understanding of how Reddit operates.

 

[deflationary]

I feel like you don't have a very accurate understanding of how Reddit operates.

I feel like you don't have an actual argument.

 

[Darkmoon Queen]

I feel like you don't have an actual argument.

I have so big of an argument that I figured this shit was the worst kept secret on the internet. Feel free to look it up.