a question for the commies

[gottablast888]

have any of yall.... lived through communism? have family members that came from a communist country? or is this just an ongoing inside joke in here lol

 

[Angst Filled Fuck Up]

It's just a meme. I think it escalated because of Depressed Cat and the walls of text she wrote. I have nothing against her, but it was a bit much. When you feel passionately enough about something to write at those kinds of lengths, you're basically asking to be trolled. That's the internet in a nutshell.

 

[Bootleg Astolfo]

 

[Krieger]

It's just a meme. I think it escalated because of Depressed Cat and the walls of text she wrote. I have nothing against her, but it was a bit much. When you feel passionately enough about something to write at those kinds of lengths, you're basically asking to be trolled. That's the internet in a nutshell.

What happened?

 

[Sister of the Moon]

Can you explain what you mean by "commies" please?
Could you also give an example of a current communist country?

 

[gottablast888]

Can you explain what you mean by "commies" please?
Could you also give an example of a current communist country?

a simple google search can answer your questions. this isnt what the thread is about.

 

[Sister of the Moon]

a simple google search can answer your questions. this isnt what the thread is about.

So in other words you want to use your own definition of communism to insult people here. I don't need Google, I actually know those answers. You clearly don't. You made a thread to insult people. There are no "commies".

 

[motel rooms]

So in other words you want to use your own definition of communism to insult people here. I don't need Google, I actually know those answers. You clearly don't. You made a thread to insult people. There are no "commies".

There are SS members who unironically identify as Stalinists.

 

[gottablast888]

So in other words you want to use your own definition of communism to insult people here. I don't need Google, I actually know those answers. You clearly don't. You made a thread to insult people. There are no "commies".

im croatian. my mom and most my family lived for 20 years in communism, i think i kno wtf it is . youre coming in here trying to be slick and insult my intelligence, goodbye

 

[Chinaski]

have any of yall.... lived through communism? have family members that came from a communist country? or is this just an ongoing inside joke in here lol

There is like, one actual full-throated Stalinist who posts regularly l think, in terms of dominant output on here the commie posts are significantly outweighed by the number of hard-right headbangers.

People also rarely start threads about communism, those who post from the left generally do so in reply to some thread of bullshit about how China and lndia should be nuked asap or how not considering NATO to be the finest institution on the planet is the ultimate folly etc etc

There are SS members who unironically identify as Stalinists.

How many and can you name them? I can only think of one current member, when you use plural you suggest there a more l haven't seen

 

[Red Scare]

There are SS members who unironically identify as Stalinists.

Which ones?

a simple google search can answer your questions. this isnt what the thread is about.

Googling a classless and egalitarian society didn't yield a single result. Odd, that.

 

[whatevs]

There are SS members who unironically identify as Stalinists.

The commies will not accept the accurate labels that we throw at them.

Googling a classless and egalitarian society didn't yield a single result. Odd, that.

Never existed, never will. Socialism, on the other hand, produces a clear cut type of oligarchy every time, but without meritocracy. Sucks.

 

[Chinaski]

There are seemingly ten times more reds-under-the-bed Mccarthyist weirdos on this website than there are actual communists.

 

[Oblivion Access]

There are seemingly ten times more reds-under-the-bed Mccarthyist weirdos on this website than there are actual communists.

You don't see many commies here precisely due to the brave liberal vanguard keeping watch on this esteemed site to ensure ideological purity, meritocracy and access to all human necessities (at a modest fee). That, or we just kill ourselves sooner idk.

 

[motel rooms]

Yes, Red Scare is currently the only vocal Stalinist. I'm not saying this place is crawling with them , but I've been an SS member for a year & I've witnessed attacks on people disgusted by the glorification of Stalin. Most of them were from the former Eastern Bloc & they definitely weren't inventing the crimes Stalin has committed. It's fucking infuriating when you're Polish or Latvian & some clueless American tells you you're lying that Stalin occupied your country in 1940 & that his soldiers killed your grandfather. No, he actually liberated your people, you ignorant Polish/Latvian/Lithuanian/Estonian jerk!

Do SS members say stuff like that every day? No, but it does happen & it's every bit as ugly as white supremacy, misogyny & homophobia. It's irrelevant whether there are more right-wing nuts on here or left-wing ones. Should those who kill with knives be declared a protected species because there are more assholes who kill with guns? We should call all of them on their shit. Call me crazy, but I think it's horrifying when someone believes that mass executions of "bourgeois pigs" are necessary for the society to evolve. WTF? How is that different from believing it's necessary to lynch blacks, gas Jews, subjugate women & beat gays to death?

I'm aware that many communists know Stalin was a psychopath & despise him. That said, communists & their utopian fantasies bore me to death; it's impossible to ever achieve perfect equality. I believe in pragmatic social democracy, in accountable & transparent democratic institutions, freedom of speech & extensive social safety nets. For the billionth time, I admire the Nordic model (of social democracy) & am convinced that raw, unrestrained capitalism is destroying both our humanity & the planet & should be regulated.

(Unfortunately, Danes, Norwegians, Swedes, Finns, Björk's compatriots & a tiny number of non-Scandinavian nations appear to be superhuman since they're able to intimidate their mainstream politicians into giving a shit about the greater good & not being openly corrupt. The rest of us are various degrees of fucked.)

 

[Chinaski]

so that's a no then

 

[virgilwalks]

It was at the beginning of pandemic I went for a distanced outdoor walk with an acquaintance who was sharing her point of view on "affordable housing." I thought she meant building more inventory but she insisted that to fix the problem - existing privately owned housing should somehow be made available to people who can't afford it. When I pointed out (literally pointing) these homes around us are owned by people who pay mortgages and taxes and their name is on the deed - I asked her how exactly would that work since they did in fact buy their homes honestly and fairly at market price. I went further and asked how is that going to work if someone can't afford the home or apartment itself what about paying property taxes - and insurance - and maintenance costs - and utilities - which aren't really optional.

She went off on brief tangent about adding (?) more space to existing privately owned housing that would somehow be made available at low or no cost and I pointed out the concept of municipal zoning where no residential structures in this neighborhood are more than two stories. Which is a good thing. And reiterated again these are privately owned homes / condo's - so I asked her what exactly she's proposing?

She then said, "well no offense to the owners but if we just have to burn down all these homes and start all over to make it more fair then thats what we have to do because it's all rigged and everyone should be able to live here if they want."

I was slack jawed - thought for a second surely she's joking - but she wasn't. I said "So we need to burn down privately owned homes toss out the owners build from scratch ok who's paying for the new construction and what happens to the equity the previous owners spent 30 years accumulating? And where do they go if their life's equity is gone ?"

She had no reply.

we had been walking about an hour and I said I needed to head home. I thanked her for the interesting conversation. And honestly made sure I kind of didn't walk directly home right away because her "Solution" made me uncomfortable.

I am not insensitive to homelessness or poverty. But no - burning it all down is definitely not the answer.

 

[motel rooms]

so that's a no then

That WoIGo guy was very active about a month ago. His username is crossed out, I suspect he was banned. He was in love with the idea of mass executions of "bourgeois pigs" & he kept glorifying Stalin & North Korea. I'm sure the user whose signature is "No peace between the classes!" is a Stalinist, they're fond of saying extremist things every once in a while. I read that CommunistAndProud got banned for doxing another member. I can't prove they're a Stalinist, but they deserve an honorable mention.

It's also reasonable to assume that those who consistently like posts in which Stalin is defended &/or praised admire him. Do you think it's a good idea to defend Stalin, btw?

Do you believe it's possible to create a prosperous communist society in which everyone is perfectly equal & corruption is eradicated? I think a skilled manual laborer should be paid more than a checkout person. Absolutely everyone should have all their basic needs met (+ free higher education) & nobody deserves a grotesquely high salary, of course.

 

[Al Cappella]

have any of yall.... lived through communism? have family members that came from a communist country? or is this just an ongoing inside joke in here lol

Yes. My mother was East German, and managed to escape with her mother to West Germany right before they closed the war. She'd lost her father in WWII, and had to leave her brothers and extended family behind. Before that they'd been regular, farming types (I think, my mom never really talked about it to us). The family lost everything to the Russians when Germany was divided after the war.

It's not the first time I've run into "communist tourism", that's nothing new. It doesn't even bother me, you can't change folks or argue with them. But in a fair world, fans would be required to live a year in North Korea, to have a real taste.

 

[Chinaski]

That WoIGo guy was very active about a month ago. His username is crossed out, I suspect he was banned. He was in love with the idea of mass executions of "bourgeois pigs" & he kept glorifying Stalin & North Korea. I'm sure the user whose signature is "No peace between the classes!" is a Stalinist, they're fond of saying extremist things every once in a while. I read that CommunistAndProud got banned for doxing another member. I can't prove they're a Stalinist, but they deserve an honorable mention.

It's also reasonable to assume that those who consistently like posts in which Stalin is defended &/or praised admire him. Do you think it's a good idea to defend Stalin, btw?

Do you believe it's possible to create a prosperous communist society in which everyone is perfectly equal & corruption is eradicated? I think a skilled manual laborer should be paid more than a checkout person. Absolutely everyone should have all their basic needs met (+ free higher education) & nobody deserves a grotesquely high salary, of course.

What l honestly think here is that you've waded in here to express your fury at the Sanctioned Suicide Stalinists because you had a beef with the one current user you're referring to and you are using this as a means of passive aggressive snark, similarly you started an entire thread demanding an end to perceived SS Stalinism when trying to engineer a mob to run "the woigo guy" off the forum immediately after having a similar personal beef with him.

You state that you hate Stalinism as much as you hate misogyny yet the opportunity to challenge misogyny presents itself here very very regularly and you are silent on this, unless you're telling feminists they are extremists. You have no position, no underpinning principle and no courage in any conviction. Your opinions are hastily formed and half-baked and are based entirely on who you dislike and how you can use your assumed influence to turn people on this forum against them, usually in the form of some tediously factitious handwringing. It's objectively accurate that the number of vocal communists on this forum are in very small number, it just so happens that these people are the ones you dislike on a personal level.

 

[whatevs]

Oh gosh, the ignore function is glitching out.

@motel rooms Why do you feel the need to appeal to such a horrible person? He will never change his opinion on you. Being a centrist or whatever you are is a sin these types can't forgive. He threw some supportive emojis at WoiAiGu when that user attacked you too, he was loving it.

 

[DynamicDepression]

Socialism, on the other hand, produces a clear cut type of oligarchy every time, but without meritocracy. Sucks.

Could you name one socialist country where this has happened? So far, it all sounds like capitalism to me.

 

[Chinaski]

Oh gosh, the ignore function is glitching out.

@motel rooms Why do you feel the need to appeal to such a horrible person? He will never change his opinion on you. Being a centrist or whatever you are is a sin these types can't forgive. He threw some supportive emojis at WoiAiGu when that user attacked you too, he was loving it.

It does tend to glitch out when you click the "show ignored post" button, there's a quick workaround for this which is to simply avoid clicking it.

 

[Heartaches]

Honestly, I've seen more people complaining about communism/commies than actual communists in this site.
Could be that I'm not here regularly nor that I particularly care, but it's just weird.​

 

[Symbiote]

We're playing Civilization 6: Sanctioned Suicide edition.

 

[whatevs]

Could you name one socialist country where this has happened? So far, it all sounds like capitalism to me.

First, I use the word socialism strictly for what people incorrectly call communism. So social-democracies are out. It must be totalitarian.

I'm thinking of the obvious. Let's put ourselves into the boots of the enforcers in these dictatorships, say Soviet Russia. The intellectuals, the police, the military, the politicians.

Can you say with honesty that you think these people didn't have a better standard of living than the masses, than it wasn't very hard for them to be prosecuted if they were corrupted/criminal but "loyal to the revolution", that they couldn't accuse and jail someone of "counter-revolution" for personal reasons? Do you know what kind of power someone has in that situation if you are with the dictatorship? What can a nobody do against a representative of the revolution? Were the people and the enforcers in equal terms legally? No. It's well known many were sent to Siberia or jailed for years with made up claims or for simply writing unfavourably of the revolution in letters, and that torture was used liberally in interrogations without repercussions. This asymmetry of power is the opposite of equality.

 

[motel rooms]

you've waded in here to express your fury at the Sanctioned Suicide Stalinists because you had a beef with the one user you're referring to and you use it his as a means of passive aggressive snark, similarly you started an entire thread demanding an end to perceived SS Stalinism when trying to engineer a mob to run "the woigo guy" off the forum immediately after having a similar personal beef with him.

The WoIGo guy was a toxic, ignorant person who crossed the line & got his hateful ass banned.

You state that you hate Stalinism as much as you hate misogyny yet the opportunity to challenge misogyny presents itself here very very regularly and you are silent on this, unless you're telling feminists they are extremists.

You know why you can't turn people against me, silly? Because you weren't active in the period when I was one of the members who got at least 2 misogynists & a racist banned. Because many users & especially the mods remember the @Bullit incident. If I hadn't made a stink about him being a fucking misogynist & racist getting away with murder, he wouldn't have gotten banned. No feminists who don't hate all men hate me. Self-admitted misandrists/man-haters are extremists. There are guys on SS who were or still are being abused by their mothers or other female authority figures. Misandry is real too & it's just as despicable as misogyny.

Why haven't you said anything about what Putin is doing in Ukraine, btw? Has the opportunity to do so not presented itself yet?

You have no position, no underpinning principle and no courage in any conviction. Your opinions are hastily formed and half-baked and are based entirely on who you dislike and how you can use your assumed influence to turn people on this forum against them, usually in the form of some tediously factitious handwringing.

You're a paranoid, frustrated guy who fancies himself an incredibly chivalrous, principled British gentleman to whom fair play is sacred... You're positively obsessed with my supposed ability to manipulate SS members & furious that you're unable to get people to hate me... Nobody but a couple of your worshippers thinks I'm a Machiavellian demon "who's just sly & manipulative enough to avoid disciplinary action". A guy who gets off on viciously verbally abusing other members, managed to get temporarily banned, disrespected a mod & never apologized for it thinks I deserve to be dealt with by the powers that be on this forum... OMFG...

It's objectively accurate that the number of vocal communists on this forum are in very small number, it just so happens that these people are the ones you dislike on a personal level.

Really? I dislike every single one of them on a personal level?

Whatevs. I hope you feel better after spewing some venom on me. People are free to decide if I'm really as evil, manipulative & petty as you claim I am. I'm not afraid, you got nuffin' on me, sweetheart. Feel free to waste your time trying to smear my name...

Why are you afraid to answer my question about Stalin, btw? Because you don't want us to know you respect him?

 

[Chinaski]

WoAiGou self banned.

 

[DynamicDepression]

First, I use the word socialism strictly for what people incorrectly call communism. So social-democracies are out. It must be totalitarian.

I'm thinking of the obvious. Let's put ourselves into the boots of the enforcers in these dictatorships, say Soviet Russia. The intellectuals, the police, the military, the politicians.

Can you say with honesty that you think these people didn't have a better standard of living than the masses, than it wasn't very hard for them to be prosecuted if they were corrupted/criminal but "loyal to the revolution", that they couldn't accuse and jail someone of "counter-revolution" for personal reasons? Do you know what kind of power someone has in that situation if you are with the dictatorship? What can a nobody do against a representative of the revolution? Were the people and the enforcers in equal terms legally? No. It's well known many were sent to Siberia or jailed for years with made up claims or for simply writing unfavourably of the revolution in letters, and that torture was used liberally in interrogations without repercussions. This asymmetry of power is the opposite of equality.

You're right, but the same holds true for many capitalist countries and has nothing to do with the economic system. Communism ≠ totalitarianism in the same way capitalism ≠ democracy.

 

[DeutscheKartoffel]

Communism ≠ totalitarianism in the same way capitalism ≠ democracy.

laughable.
Commies have lost their marbles the moment they started fantasizing.