A painless way out ? Because life is NOT a duty.

[Alucard]

Good evening,

First of all, thank you very much for accepting me as a member in your forum.

I am delighted to have discovered a forum allowing an absolute freedom of expression on Death, which is very rare (the death being however a subject which concerns us all ...).

My name is Alucard :) And I live in France (well, please excuse me if my English is sometimes clumsy ...).

The writer Emil Cioran writes : "If you don't see death en rose, you are suffering from color blindness of the heart." Indeed, it is not death that is frightening, but life. Death is nothing, it is eternal rest. Already, Socrates told us (in the Apology) that death seemed to be a great good. But we do not listen to philosophers...

Thus, it is reassuring to know that one can die when one decides, because it changes everything : it allows us to live by choice and not by constraint (whereas if we live by default to know how to do it, we are slaves ...).

My question, to begin with, would be the most concrete of all (although it has already been discussed, I think, in other topics): what are the different methods, especially with drugs, to die without pain? Please indicate the precise dosages and all the necessary details so as not to be missed.

Because life is not a duty, we all deserve to have the choice to live or not to live.

Thank you,

Alucard

PS : I started reading the books of Docker and Chabot, if I understand correctly, according to you, it is Chabot who is the safest?

 

[Sundayafternoon]

I read a reply to reddit thread recently that contained a line to the effect of "The denial of a painless death implies a DUTY to live"

I couldn't agree more.

 

[ThisIsTheLastNight]

Yes, it's not like someday we would not die anyway. It is still sad to have to take your own life, none of us makes it free, and then such people as us are still labeled as cowardly and selfish. To force us to live on, though each day is suffering and pain for us, just so that others will not be hurt by our death? that should not be selfish?

 

[wxtyubidi7y]

what are the different methods, especially with drugs, to die without pain? Please indicate the precise dosages and all the necessary details so as not to be missed.

Because life is not a duty, we all deserve to have the choice to live or not to live.

Thank you,

Alucard

PS : I started reading the books of Docker and Chabot, if I understand correctly, according to you, it is Chabot who is the safest?

Hello and welcome.

The usual starting point is with the Peaceful Pill eHandbook which is more up-to-date than the other books and is available in the resources sticky on this website. It rates each method in several dimensions including "peacefulness" (lack of pain/agony).

The two best painless methods are generally thought to be Nembutal ('N') or inert gas asphyxiation. Both are discussed in the PPeH.

 

[Tomey]

Good evening,

First of all, thank you very much for accepting me as a member in your forum.

I am delighted to have discovered a forum allowing an absolute freedom of expression on Death, which is very rare (the death being however a subject which concerns us all ...).

My name is Alucard :) And I live in France (well, please excuse me if my English is sometimes clumsy ...).

The writer Emil Cioran writes : "If you don't see death en rose, you are suffering from color blindness of the heart." Indeed, it is not death that is frightening, but life. Death is nothing, it is eternal rest. Already, Socrates told us (in the Apology) that death seemed to be a great good. But we do not listen to philosophers...

Thus, it is reassuring to know that one can die when one decides, because it changes everything : it allows us to live by choice and not by constraint (whereas if we live by default to know how to do it, we are slaves ...).

My question, to begin with, would be the most concrete of all (although it has already been discussed, I think, in other topics): what are the different methods, especially with drugs, to die without pain? Please indicate the precise dosages and all the necessary details so as not to be missed.

Because life is not a duty, we all deserve to have the choice to live or not to live.

Thank you,

Alucard

PS : I started reading the books of Docker and Chabot, if I understand correctly, according to you, it is Chabot who is the safest?

Why do you want to die ?

 

[311]

6 grams of amitriptlyine
300mg of valium

 

[color_me_gone]

What @Seneca said.
But each method has its own problems:
1) N would be best, but hard to get, expensive, and worry about not getting due to scammers and customs seize.
2) Inert is more complicated setup, and hard to overcome own survival instincts.
3) remaining are less reliable, more violent and painful.
If it were simple, nobody would be here.

 

[SeekingSolace]

What @Seneca said.
But each method has its own problems:
1) N would be best, but hard to get, expensive, and worry about not getting due to scammers and customs seize.
2) Inert is more complicated setup, and hard to overcome own survival instincts.
3) remaining are less reliable, more violent and painful.
If it were simple, nobody would be here.

Agreed!

 

[Alucard]

Thanks a lot for your answers ! I am pleased to see that other people are fully aware of the human condition, recognize that life is not a duty and are in search of a painless end. I feel a little less foreign to this world ...

I do not have Peaceful Pill eHandbook yet, I will get it.

I do not want to die right away (at least for the moment), I want to explore some life possibilities first, but I want to be able to live only by choice, because I want it, and not because I am forced. Thus, I will be truly free, and could say humbly to humanity: "I am there of my own free will, but the day I can not bear your faces anymore, I will go away."

6 grams of amitriptlyine and 300 mg of valium is a good method ? Do you see this in a book?

Unfortunately, I know that dying without pain is not easy ... but it's not difficult in itself: knowing and getting the right products would be easy if society did not stop us from ending our lives. And why ? Because we are "labour forces", as Marx has shown (not because of a so-called "love").

Thus, this forum seems to me a real strength : together determine the different "exit doors" is a real counterweight to a society that prevents and makes guilty suicide.

 

[color_me_gone]

I do not want to die right away (at least for the moment), I want to explore some life possibilities first, but I want to be able to live only by choice, because I want it, and not because I am forced. Thus, I will be truly free, and could say humbly to humanity: "I am there of my own free will, but the day I can not bear your faces anymore, I will go away."

I like how you express that.
I would say that fits many people here.
If we want to leave, we have the method and tools at our fingertips.

BTW: in liquid form, N has a shelf life of 1 year. Not aware of any sources of pill or powder for N.
Considering its expense, not a good one to sit on.

 

[Alucard]

I agree.

What is BTW ? (And N is for Nembutal ?)

And... what about the chloroquine method proposed by Chris Docker (one hour before the moment t, one dose of motilium, twenty min before, another dose, and a the moment t, fifty pills of chloroquine and zolpidem) ?

I also saw that we could make nembutal...

What should we take with nembutal? Only an antivomitive?

 

[Minudah]

There's also the night night method, or any other method of ligature strangulation going for a blood choke.

It's ridiculously hard to get right, but the materials for ligature strangulation could hardly be easier and cheaper to get, and it's painless if you can do it. If you can compress your carotid arteries you'll lose a good chunk of the blood supply to your brain and die a painless death. I couldn't get the night night method to work, but tying knots in a scarf over where my carotids are when the scarf is tightened all the way consistently gets me pretty dizzy and everything. It's comfortable around my neck with no pain, just a tight but soft scarf around my neck and the dizzy feeling which actually feels weirdly nice.

There's also the tourniquet method of ligature strangulation which some people have had success with, but you want to put a bag on your head before doing that one since the tourniquet could come undone while you're passed out.

It's hard to get it right, but there's enough ways to do it that anyone should be able to get a painless death from it if they try hard enough.

 

[Alucard]

Thank you for describing these methods.

It is certainly reassuring to know them and to know that they are within our reach, but they are not the most "sweet" ... In the absence of other means, in the emergency, we can actually undertake these efforts to die without suffering.

However, the nembutal method (or even chloroquine if it works, and drugs methods) is more like a "button off", and thus, allows us to feel truly free.

We are not slaves, we have the right to leave ...

Living by choice or living by constraint ... between the two is the same difference as between a love story and a rape.

"Pour se rassurer, quoi qu'il arrive, à chaque instant : le néant est toujours à portée de main."
("To be reassured, whatever happens, every moment: nothingness is always at hand.")
Nihil Messtavic.

 

[WayOut]

Good evening, (blah blah etc...)

Well well, Dracula has entered the room, complete with a dog eared book of corny quotations and a cute penchant for writing in "announcements" rather than in sentences. And that slightly weird thing of writing like you're speaking English as a second language? Dude. It's not working.

Here are two "announcements" just for you.

S'il vous plaît laissez votre attitude à la porte lorsque vous entrez dans cette pièce, dickhead.

Vous avez été ici auparavant, vous êtes nombreux, et vous n'êtes personne.

 

[WayOut]

BTW: in liquid form, N has a shelf life of 1 year.

No. It doesn't.

 

[WayOut]

Alucard is Dracula spelled backwards, in answer to a PM question. It's not a French name. Or, the new member is into anime and vid games, but I'm not seeing that. I'm seeing someone who has been here before with different alts. He's bad news.

 

[Chinaski]

Alucard is Dracula spelled backwards, in answer to a PM question.

Wait. Someone PMd you to ask you that?

 

[WayOut]

Wait. Someone PMd you to ask you that?

Yes

 

[JustAboutDone]

Wait. Someone PMd you to ask you that?

You know I'm not that bright fgs!!

 

[JustAboutDone]

Well well, Dracula has entered the room, complete with a dog eared book of corny quotations and a cute penchant for writing in "announcements" rather than in sentences. And that slightly weird thing of writing like you're speaking English as a second language? Dude. It's not working.

S'il vous plaît laissez votre attitude à la porte lorsque vous entrez dans cette pièce, dickhead.

@WayOut

Five star post

 

[JustAboutDone]

It's a shame there are people who do this sort of thing and waste the time and effort of kind people like @color_me_gone when there are other people who would love some tlc.

 

[color_me_gone]

@JustAboutDone !

 

[Alucard]

Well well, Dracula has entered the room, complete with a dog eared book of corny quotations and a cute penchant for writing in "announcements" rather than in sentences. And that slightly weird thing of writing like you're speaking English as a second language? Dude. It's not working.

Here are two "announcements" just for you.

S'il vous plaît laissez votre attitude à la porte lorsque vous entrez dans cette pièce, dickhead.

Vous avez été ici auparavant, vous êtes nombreux, et vous n'êtes personne.

Why so much free aggression?

First of all, I have never been on this forum, if I look like a character who has been banned it is pure coincidence.

Then, if I'm so "brilliant" in English, it's because I'm using GOOGLE TRANSLATION (that's why I said that some sentences can be flawed, even if I'm not just copy-pasted) .

Sorry, then, for my "attitude" and my nerdy quotes, but that's my way of being.

You can continue to discuss the subject peacefully, or you can fire me from the forum, you choose. But I'm not here to "fight".

 

[UglyAndSuicidal]

Why so much free aggression?

First of all, I have never been on this forum, if I look like a character who has been banned it is pure coincidence.

Then, if I'm so "brilliant" in English, it's because I'm using GOOGLE TRANSLATION (that's why I said that some sentences can be flawed, even if I'm not just copy-pasted) .

Sorry, then, for my "attitude" and my nerdy quotes, but that's my way of being.

You can continue to discuss the subject peacefully, or you can fire me from the forum, you choose. But I'm not here to "fight".

Just thought of a new method. You two meet up and kill each other. Or stop this cat fight so people who are actually here for methods, can read in peace.

 

[color_me_gone]

But I'm not here to "fight".

I agree!
You have not said one aggressive word in this thread.
So I do not understand why you have been assaulted.
I'm am sorry for what happened to you.

 

[Pulpit2018]

Well well, Dracula has entered the room, complete with a dog eared book of corny quotations and a cute penchant for writing in "announcements" rather than in sentences. And that slightly weird thing of writing like you're speaking English as a second language? Dude. It's not working.

Here are two "announcements" just for you.

S'il vous plaît laissez votre attitude à la porte lorsque vous entrez dans cette pièce, dickhead.

Vous avez été ici auparavant, vous êtes nombreux, et vous n'êtes personne.

Watch your attitude.

The mods are responsible if there are double accounts,or accounts of people banned before,to correct things.
You cannot know if someone is a previous user or not.
And who are you to judge how one should write and what?
Let people say what they have.

 

[WayOut]

Why so much free aggression?

First of all, I have never been on this forum, if I look like a character who has been banned it is pure coincidence.

Then, if I'm so "brilliant" in English, it's because I'm using GOOGLE TRANSLATION (that's why I said that some sentences can be flawed, even if I'm not just copy-pasted) .

Sorry, then, for my "attitude" and my nerdy quotes, but that's my way of being.

You can continue to discuss the subject peacefully, or you can fire me from the forum, you choose. But I'm not here to "fight".

Mate, you've just outed yourself real bad in the very language you're using in this post, compared to your first few posts.

You are not using google translate in this post. It doesn't work like that. It really doesn't. You don't use it because you don't actually need to. Try it out though on a passage of colloquial English, or French for that matter. What comes out looks absolutely nothing like the phrases you're posting.

You are not new to the forum, you know all about the banned members. Also, given the time you took to compose your headline thread, it is not plausible to have read so little about the basics, unless of course you saw the forum and proceeded straight to writing your post.

I have yet to come across a "nerdy" person who can use the word nerdy but doesn't know what BTW means.

Just thought of a new method. You two meet up and kill each other. Or stop this cat fight so people who are actually here for methods, can read in peace.

Nope. There's no cat fight. There's no place for the bilingual dual citizen of Canada and America, with tedious vanities in relation to medicine, law and philosophy, who weaselled into Exit first, then here, to bring us Patrick and Domingo.

#Alucard. Leave it, buddy. Or hang around and be good, but you won't be starting another scam again. Gringo. I wasn't 100% sure who you were. After your last post when the linguistic artifice dropped away just like fucking magic, I now am.

 

[JustAboutDone]

Thank you @WayOut
It's times like these I am grateful to people like you for having the gumption to stand up for the decent people of this forum against scammers. Despite people insulting you.
Xx

 

[Pulpit2018]

Why dont you enlighten us then @way out with evidence,on who this poster is?
Have you contacted mods?
Otherwise its witch hunting.

 

[JustAboutDone]

I'm new also to this site, but I've tried to read as much as I can to learn what this is all about. I don't understand why you're asking for info on various methods and dosages when all or most of it is already there. Did you read the various threads??

That's what made me uncomfortable tbh, it felt like the OP was trying to groom people