a few thoughts on why people don't consider suicide

[a_dead_mess]

after becoming depressed and seeing no joy in life whatsoever, I started questioning why/how people go through life with all the hardships and sufferings and yet never consider suicide. my opinion is uneducated and subjective so take it with a huge grain of salt.

religious people, the ones I met at least, are the most delusional. but this delusion brings them a huge sense of comfort and peace. each and every one of them think they are special because he's one of the very few people on this earth who'll experience eternal peace and happiness. when you question them about their beliefs, you found out that they're purely based on faith and not logic or reason. they choose not to leave religion however because they aren't feeling really bad at this moment or because they fear that they'll miss out on the pascal's wager aspect of it (eternal peace or eternal suffering). I used to be of that type and I really thought life will be easy when you are "The chosen one" in some sense but after questioning these claims I couldn't find any answers.

non-religious people (atheists, agnostics, people who don't believe much in god) go through life without questioning anything. they try and get the most pleasure out of what they have and don't consider suicide unless things get terminally bad. most of the time their lives aren't too bad and the enjoyment they get from the few things that are enjoyable to them is more than enough for them to continue living in this world.

I believe no one will fully be peaceful with life, they just get distracted by it.

the longer you are distracted, the better your life is. that's why the question of the purpose of life is unhelpful at best.

 

[WorthlessTrash]

There are some people that are actually enjoying life. The ones who are proud and happy with thom they are. Obviously I am just projecting because I hate myself, but you know..

 

[Little T]

after becoming depressed and seeing no joy in life whatsoever, I started questioning why/how people go through life with all the hardships and sufferings and yet never consider suicide. my opinion is uneducated and subjective so take it with a huge grain of salt.

religious people, the ones I met at least, are the most delusional. but this delusion brings them a huge sense of comfort and peace. each and every one of them think they are special because he's one of the very few people on this earth who'll experience eternal peace and happiness. when you question them about their beliefs, you found out that they're purely based on faith and not logic or reason. they choose not to leave religion however because they aren't feeling really bad at this moment or because they fear that they'll miss out on the pascal's wager aspect of it (eternal peace or eternal suffering). I used to be of that type and I really thought life will be easy when you are "The chosen one" in some sense but after questioning these claims I couldn't find any answers.

non-religious people (atheists, agnostics, people who don't believe much in god) go through life without questioning anything. they try and get the most pleasure out of what they have and don't consider suicide unless things get terminally bad. most of the time their lives aren't too bad and the enjoyment they get from the few things that are enjoyable to them is more than enough for them to continue living in this world.

I believe no one will fully be peaceful with life, they just get distracted by it.

the longer you are distracted, the better your life is. that's why the question of the purpose of life is unhelpful at best.

I am an atheist and question everything & not blinded by bullshit. I see the world as it is, a slave running on a hampster wheel going nowhere.
I am old, usefulness gone & now a burden to society. Too old to hire and too young to retire.

 

[a_dead_mess]

I am an atheist and question everything & not blinded by bullshit. I see the world as it is, a slave running on a hampster wheel going nowhere.
I am old, usefulness gone & now a burden to society. Too old to hire and too young to retire.

I'm talking about atheists who don't consider suicide. personally, questioning has led me to the same view as you + lose faith in religion. at the very least, questioning will lead you to understand how pointless it is to continue moving in this world.

 

[FuneralCry]

I guess all that humans are doing is distracting themselves from the fact that they will die someday. That is what life basically is. Our only true purpose as humans is to die. The idea that living has any point or meaning is a delusion.

I actually think that to want to live in a world like this, people must be deluded in someway. Anybody could end up in the worst pain possible and experience the most extreme suffering. This is why I believe suicide to be a rational option as I believe that wanting suicide is just seeing the world for what it really is.

Non existence will always be preferable to living in every single way as it's the absence of anything, but of course many people fear death as after all we are all programmed to survive. Leaving this world goes against our SI so maybe this is why so many people continue to endure life as well as the fact that peaceful methods are denied. If dying is as easy as just wishing to be gone then I bet most of these people would choose to leave.

 

[Little T]

I'm talking about atheists who don't consider suicide. personally, questioning has led me to the same view as you + lose faith in religion. at the very least, questioning will lead you to understand how pointless it is to continue moving in this world.

As an atheist my decision to ctb is a no brainer. As far as I'm concerned, ALL who don't consider ctb beyond their usefullness are just selfish sociopaths.
The whole "god" concept is mythology based on astrology.
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society"

 

[Onomotopoeia]

I'm not sure why this is but it seems people here have a hard time grasping this. For the most part, most people enjoy their lives and want to live them. Why do you think the prevailing social stigma is to lock suicidal people up? it's because it's a thought so foreign to most of the population they assume it would be for your own good and you will just get over it after a few weeks of lockup.

We are the outliers, not them. For some reason that makes people here uncomfortable but it does not stop it from being the truth. That's not to say I think feeling suicidal is an incorrect thought or even decision if you get there, that is for individual adults to decide about themselves. However, we are still unequivocally the minority and that's unlikely to change in the next century barring some world changing catastrophe

 

[9BBN]

As someone who used to enjoy life, it was really just circumstantial, not a matter of "being sufficiently distracted." In the minds of most people, pain and suffering are the real "distractions." At some point in my downward spiral, my pain and suffering became so regular that occasional happiness felt only like a distraction. So I've lived through both sides.

 

[[HNO]]

comitting suicide is admitting that your life doesnt matter, society is wrong and icapable to help, love is overrated or doesn't exist etc. it's negation of life itself or a questioning of notion that you should put life on pedestal at all costs, even if this cost is to bomb whole cities in the dust, just to defend lifes of your folk at the cost of lifes of your enemies. just to admit that you mere a husk filled with guts with operational system located in the brain and can decide for yourself whether does life worth living or not. it's simply contradicts to logic 'normal person' has, for them it's just like pile up all your possesions and put them on fire, they can't understand it because for them possesions it's something good which worth to waste all life on pursuing them

people hate freedom, tend to gather and act on problems in collectives and ridiculously attached to life it stems from difference in power humans posses, one is rich and one is poor, one is dumb and one is smart. because of this difference the weak entered into symbiosis with the strong, former provides resources to accumulate more power for the strong, the latter makes conditions to prolong this state-of-affars. in a current context, you give taxes, they give healthcare, brainwashing('purposes in life') and provide social security to continue flow of your taxes for them so they can give more brainwashing, copes and more strict social stability(so you can be sure that you even defended against yourself). i think it's just conseuences of social engineering, to serve a particular purpose - live,work,reproduce and die at pre-determined age after you had accomplished what you supposed to just because it makes someones life better and make them happier.

in ancient greece it was normal to have poison and take ones life whenever one wants but now universally worldwide favored brain-damaged spectre of opinions that you can't do it and it's based on elaborated mental gymnastics that you necessarily 'mental' if you want to do so, so you should be sectioned and take meds instead.

 

[a_dead_mess]

As someone who used to enjoy life, it was really just circumstantial, not a matter of "being sufficiently distracted." In the minds of most people, pain and suffering are the real "distractions." At some point in my downward spiral, my pain and suffering became so regular that occasional happiness felt only like a distraction. So I've lived through both sides.

by distraction, I mean not spending time figuring out if life is worth it or not. when you are not suffering you don't think about such topics because as you said you feel better at that time and don't really care about other things.

 

[AloeGarten]

i agree with everything you said, especially about religion
i think most people, even none religious, have this delusion that life is precious or special in some way, when in reality life and concsiousness is just a random process nature happened to create. no matter how you live everyone will end up dead and none of it will matter. some see this and decide to live life to the fullest but at the same time, if none of it matters then just ending it early and freeing yourself from suffering should also be an equal option

 

[Little T]

I found the links below on this site, both made sense to me.

Jeffrey A. Schaler, Ph.D., Professor of Psychology - ytube -iYngr6N60


youtu.be/Wnt0Zzeo6rI

There's a time in a person's life where meaning, purpose & hope disappear. A feeling where you look at life in a different lens than you once did.

Where you realize that reality is the real horror movie, the movies don't even compare. It's a time of unveiling of the curtain of truth, where you see the play for what it really is.

If there is no camera man, control room is empty, the actors are puppets & the audience are just faceless, lifeless bodies. This is what it feels like to be me.

An alien on another planet full of nepotistic, bigoted, life-loving narcissists

They cling to their futile dream of an after-life that doesn't exist. Only to create dogma that punishes others that don't believe what they do. Once you see this you can't un-see it, but it is for the better because now I know that the love for life I once had, never really had loved me at all, she was the ultimate neglector. We are all just sentient robots on a conveyor belt of an endless loop of suffering. It changes the way I think about love, holidays, parties, obligations, hobbies & passions.

Death is a permanent solution but to all permanent problems

If problems were temporary, we would all die healthy & happy. This is the predicament we were thrown into in this life. Our parents recklessly brought us here, now we have to deal with it. Mitigation through medicine only works to a certain point & then its chronic pain for the rest of your life. The suicide prevention is seen to be the real negative ones. Forcing others to hang, shoot, drink, jump & burn themselves. The positivity is to never experience the trappings of a psychotic society that cares nothing for the actual suffering of others. To be released from suffering is an objected fact & the ultimate positivity. The joy I've felt by letting go of God, hope, love addiction & even life itself has been liberating & yet heartbreaking at the same time. But I wouldn't want it any other way, I would rather suffer in the truth than ramble in ignorance.

This problem has one solution & one alone. 100% pure Voluntary Extinction. A place where no wars, murders, rapes, blood or tears are shed. I would continue to hope but for another reason, the hope to no longer exist, the hope to no longer hope, that someday this will all be over with & Earth will be a desert like nothingness. A dream that this planet will have at least one day without heartbreak, tears & pain.

 

[9BBN]

by distraction, I mean not spending time figuring out if life is worth it or not. when you are not suffering you don't think about such topics because as you said you feel better at that time and don't really care about other things.

I agree that when you are not suffering, then there is less, let's say "investment," into to the point of life. But do you think most people, if they weren't distracted, would conclude that life is not worth it?

 

[theboy]

I wonder the same as you. There is a difference between being sad and being depressed. When a person reaches depression and seriously thinks about CTB, it means that something is wrong.

 

[Euthanza]

I'm talking about atheists who don't consider suicide. personally, questioning has led me to the same view as you + lose faith in religion. at the very least, questioning will lead you to understand how pointless it is to continue moving in this world.

Atheists and liberals also can be NPC crab-mentality-preventors. How come they claim they are being logic and rational while they reject bodily autonomy and sided with pro-suffering, what an oxymoron; I regard them as shallow as their religious bigot allies, both are Non Pro Choice. It's really a fucked up world we're living in.

On the other side, I see many religious people in developed countries support LOVE (Legalization Of Voluntary Euthanasia). These are moderately Religious Liberals who had seen or experienced a lot of thoughts out side of their lil bubble of dogma.

 

[a_dead_mess]

I agree that when you are not suffering, then there is less, let's say "investment," into to the point of life. But do you think most people, if they weren't distracted, would conclude that life is not worth it?

I do think so yes. because in the end there is no purpose and we just live to feel better.

 

[tired868686]

Some people enjoy life. I don't know what that feels like but I know they do.
I think it's just instinct to try and stay alive like any other animal.
Pain receptors to avoid pain. Awareness of danger and fear.
It's biologically wired life, to keep you alive until there's no other outcome but death.
Life is strange and people are stranger.

 

[SexyIncél]

Personally, I suspect most people subjectively:

• heighten life's joys
• dampen its sufferings

As very young children with forming brains, they get little doses of training on enduring frustration & anxiety. I wish I did. But apparently I didn't. So here I am

And lots of people think about suicide, but not in any serious way usually

 

[dustyfurcollector]

I am an atheist and question everything & not blinded by bullshit. I see the world as it is, a slave running on a hampster wheel going nowhere.
I am old, usefulness gone & now a burden to society. Too old to hire and too young to retire.

As an atheist also, I also believe in the idea of doing good for good sake, being moral bc it's the right thing to do not because some sky fairy tells you to (blessed is the forgiving eagle?) And should be able too enjoy life fully. But I too am a burden on society and derive no joy from life. I'm sorry you feel they way I do. It's a sad thing to come to, isn't it

 

[Un-]

I don't know much about this shit. I've only ever seen people that are happy from a distance; the people in my life, I know are suffering. They know they're suffering. And it's not looking good.

Because of that, I can't say if people really enjoy living, or if they're just convincing other people that they do. People have an amazing ability to make people see only a part of themselves. You really don't ever know about anyone's existence other than your own; and most of us don't even know about our own existences. I don't, at least.

But one thing I do know, is that if you're someone seriously considering suicide, you think about a lot of things - earlier, and more than regular folk. A lot of people don't contemplate their own mortality until later.. It's a reason as to why, if people can tell you're going through the most, they abandon you. They don't wanna be reminded that death is a real thing.

A lot of suicidal people have to come to terms with death. With their religion. With what matters to them, and if life really is worth living.. Things people usually do in their 40s, or when they're confronted with a life threatening illness.

Deciding to live or die has nothing to do with truth or whatever. There is no truth to existence. There's no right or wrong in what we decide to do. We're all just trying, or letting go, friend. Trying, or letting go.

 

[dustyfurcollector]

Atheists and liberals also can be NPC crab-mentality-preventors. How come they claim they are being logic and rational while they reject bodily autonomy and sided with pro-suffering, what an oxymoron; I regard them as shallow as their religious bigot allies, both are Non Pro Choice. It's really a fucked up world we're living in.

On the other side, I see many religious people in developed countries support LOVE (Legalization Of Voluntary Euthanasia). These are moderately Religious Liberals who had seen or experienced a lot of thoughts out side of their lil bubble of dogma.

I'm not sure I understand you. Are you saying atheists don't sorry bodily autonomy? That's absolutely not true. Atheists I "know" and I absolutely believe in human rights for everyone, are pro-choice and wish for world peace. I don't know where you're getting that ppl who don't believe in a sky fairy hate everyone.

 

[Euthanza]

I'm not sure I understand you. Are you saying atheists don't sorry bodily autonomy? That's absolutely not true. Atheists I "know" and I absolutely believe in human rights for everyone, are pro-choice and wish for world peace. I don't know where you're getting that ppl who don't believe in a sky fairy hate everyone.

Most atheists are pro-choice, but not all, there are many atheist pro-lifers too.

Here's an example:
https://www.economist.com/open-futu...s-and-atheists-can-also-oppose-assisted-dying

 

[foreverfalling]

My theory is to live is to not think about living. People are so busy 'living' they don't think about it until something stops them, like chronic pain or being confronted with death. Life is always 'keeping busy', whether it's working or socialising or resting. People are always planning something to do or creating problems so they have something to fix. This stops people entering the journey of boredom -> thinking -> ruminating -> existential crisis -> CTB. If you're someone who values 'truth' then you will see living for what it is and thus not be distracted by it and inevitably enter journey willingly and knowingly.

 

[dustyfurcollector]

Most atheists are pro-choice, but not all, there are many atheist pro-lifers too.

Here's an example:
https://www.economist.com/open-futu...s-and-atheists-can-also-oppose-assisted-dying

Wow. What a tool. That article seems based on leftover religion. I guess I am wrong. I was thinking pro choice in regards to human life, not death. Being pro choice in all things, I assumed my fellow atheists would almost all feel the same. I wonder what satanists believe regarding death.

Wow. What a tool. That article seems based on leftover religion. I guess I am wrong. I was thinking pro choice in regards to human life, not death. Being pro choice in all things, I assumed my fellow atheists would almost all feel the same. I wonder what satanists believe regarding death.

That must have been a stupid question. Satanists call within the bounds of heaven and hell bc they follow "Satan"... Part of the Christianity myth. Sorry

 

[Little T]

As an atheist also, I also believe in the idea of doing good for good sake, being moral bc it's the right thing to do not because some sky fairy tells you to (blessed is the forgiving eagle?) And should be able too enjoy life fully. But I too am a burden on society and derive no joy from life. I'm sorry you feel they way I do. It's a sad thing to come to, isn't it

I agree. I am a very moral person which I perceive as common humanity. I don't need mythology to tell me how to treat others. If there is one thing I'm sure of, I exist to lift people up and pay it forward.
I think ALL religion is the biggest pit fall of humanity because they all seek to separate man from nature! This is the GREATEST ill of humanity and it has been and will continue to be used against us.
I'm sorry you must struggle also.

 

[dustyfurcollector]

Atheists and liberals also can be NPC crab-mentality-preventors. How come they claim they are being logic and rational while they reject bodily autonomy and sided with pro-suffering, what an oxymoron; I regard them as shallow as their religious bigot allies, both are Non Pro Choice. It's really a fucked up world we're living in.

On the other side, I see many religious people in developed countries support LOVE (Legalization Of Voluntary Euthanasia). These are moderately Religious Liberals who had seen or experienced a lot of thoughts out side of their lil bubble of dogma.

Ok. As an atheist, I can tell you, I and most all the atheists I know, we believe in bodily autonomy. We believe in choice. As someone in a line with me said it beautifully better than I can, but to an atheist, humanity is the goal. The humane treatment of all life. If it is humane to die, let's be humane!

 

[a_dead_mess]

My theory is to live is to not think about living. People are so busy 'living' they don't think about it until something stops them, like chronic pain or being confronted with death. Life is always 'keeping busy', whether it's working or socialising or resting. People are always planning something to do or creating problems so they have something to fix. This stops people entering the journey of boredom -> thinking -> ruminating -> existential crisis -> CTB. If you're someone who values 'truth' then you will see living for what it is and thus not be distracted by it and inevitably enter journey willingly and knowingly.

I totally agree

 

[Little T]

Ok. As an atheist, I can tell you, I and most all the atheists I know, we believe in bodily autonomy. We believe in choice. As someone in a line with me said it beautifully better than I can, but to an atheist, humanity is the goal. The humane treatment of all life. If it is humane to die, let's be humane!

It's called being a Humanist.
"Humanism is a progressive philosophy of life that, without theism or other supernatural beliefs, affirms our ability and responsibility to lead ethical lives of personal fulfillment that aspire to the greater good."
This is where society, especially usa society has failed.
I long for nature & its sounds, quiet in the wood.
What always cracks me up, is those against abortion but pro death penalty. :/

I'm not sure why this is but it seems people here have a hard time grasping this. For the most part, most people enjoy their lives and want to live them. Why do you think the prevailing social stigma is to lock suicidal people up? it's because it's a thought so foreign to most of the population they assume it would be for your own good and you will just get over it after a few weeks of lockup.

We are the outliers, not them. For some reason that makes people here uncomfortable but it does not stop it from being the truth. That's not to say I think feeling suicidal is an incorrect thought or even decision if you get there, that is for individual adults to decide about themselves. However, we are still unequivocally the minority and that's unlikely to change in the next century barring some world changing catastrophe

The "others/most people" are called Sheepeople.

 

[Astronauta]

As pessoas não consideram o suicídio até passar por situações que as façam pensar.
O suicídio não é compreensível para aquele que não está pensando nele.
Suicidou é multifatorial.

 

[Euthanza]

You think it will never happen to you, that it cannot happen to you, that you are the only person in the world to whom none of these things will ever happen, and then, one by one, they all begin to happen to you, in the same way they happen to everyone else. ~Paul Auster