90% of people that fail suicide are glad they're alive?

[kekcal24]

Is this an actual, true statistic? Or just another useless statement to encourage people to continue living through immense suffering? Regardless, even if this statistic is a researched one, I wonder how many of those asked simply lied to avoid being forced into a mental hospital due to the broken mental health system?

 

[Lost Magic]

Yeah, I doubt 90% are glad they made it. I don't dispute that some people are happy to have survived cbt but I am sure there are plenty who keep on suffering. I swear society and these bodies make some of us feel trapped. Feels like a never ending spiral of pain sometimes.

 

[BitterlyAlive_]

Statistics are very misleading.

 

[Fragile]

No, where did you find that statistic?

It's actually quite the opposite, by a lot. The risk of attempting suicide is extremelly high after a failed one, that's the reason they lock us up and force us to take medicine after we fail.

 

[Deleted member 25174]

I seem to be in the 10% wish I was with my money

 

[Latios]

90% of all statistics are made up on the spot

 

[Deleted member 25174]

90% of all statistics are made up on the spot

I think it's actually 92%

 

[greyback330]

no

 

[KolK]

They can't possibly tell you otherwise..

 

[WornOutLife]

When I failed to CTB last August, I felt kinda glad to be alive because everyone was really worrying about me and very sad. I thought something like "hey, people do actually care about me! Cool!" but then, some weeks later, my suicidal thoughts and hatred towards life came back.

Now, I don't feel glad to be alive at all and I don't care about anybody (only my dad, dog and my friends on SS of course lol)

 

[EmbraceOfTheVoid]

Sounds like a pro-life statistic that appeared out of thin air.

 

[throughtheglass]

Does anyone here have scientific articles to back up this claim? It sounds like the percentage was made up

 

[greyhound]

What about the people that succeed, that's the statistic I want to know.

 

[Symbiote]

Does anyone here have scientific articles to back up this claim? It sounds like the percentage was made up

Attempters’ Longterm Survival

Nine out of ten people who attempt suicide and survive will not go on to die by suicide at a later date. This has been well-established in the suicidology literature. A literature review (Owens 200…

www.hsph.harvard.edu

In the article the guy survived an attempt by train, though I think mostly his relatives spoke on his behalf since he was a mute vegetable.

 

[makingsure4]

I read 9 out of 10 people who attempt suicide never try again. But how many times have you attempted when no one knew later or they left with it looking like an accident. They said 1 out every 100,000 commit suicide so those two stats together do show high chance of suicide attempt again.

 

[HenryHobkins]

i wonder how they collect that data, and the types of people they specifically survey

 

[Ardesevent]

Yeah, the statistic has been reworded a bit. It's supposed to be 90% of people who attempt suicide do not end up dying from it. Doesn't mean they're glad to live, just means they didn't die.

 

[262653]

I would very like to know the sample size, how the individuals were picked (because obviously not random), how these individuals were evaluated on the "gladness dichotomy", methods of study in general. I'd like to know more about the details of the study that produced the result in title.

 

[greyhound]

I'm sure that stat is inflated by all the 'attempts' like via suicide by chugging several energy drinks as a recent poster was going to try.

 

[makingsure4]

"Deadliness of attempted suicide has been dramatically underestimated." by the Mayo Clinic​

 

[ToughTimes]

Yeah, the statistic has been reworded a bit. It's supposed to be 90% of people who attempt suicide do not end up dying from it. Doesn't mean they're glad to live, just means they didn't die.

That is also the percentage I have seen when reading my country's Suicide Hotline webpage when it comes to failed attempts.

 

[Nodscene]

Right from the first paragraph of the link

"Approximately 7% (range: 5-11%) of attempters eventually died by suicide, approximately 23% reattempted nonfatally, and 70% had no further attempts."

So that's showing that 30% reattempt with 5%-11% eventually succeeding and approx 23% make subsequent attempts but don't succeed.

No idea where that 10% comes from. That's the problem.with statistics, they can be manipulated to suit whomever wants certain results. Just look at how the pharmacies manipulate their clinical studies..

 

[DivineMedicus]

This is legit just survivorship bias.

 

[needaplan]

A part retries, a part never wanted to die in the first place and setup the attempt from poor judgement and no proper planning, another part realy tries and during attempt survives, due to their subconcious will to survive or finish something, those who want to die and have a proper setup die.
I think every case is different and also how many tries happen without anybody knowing about it and people retry, so the data is probably pretty unreliable.

 

[shadowchaser]

Lol, have they asked the people who succeeded?

 

[Nodscene]

You also have to take into consideration how many people lied about making a second attempt or planning a second attempt. That will also affect the numbers.

 

[not4us]

Attempting suicide is a win-win situation then.

 

[Shades of Grey]

How many of those attempts were impulsive and poorly conceived?

I can see how someone who impulsively attempted to end their life could easily regret it later, especially if their actions were spurred by a relatively temporary setback. I suspect those numbers would be vastly different if you were to speak with survivors who have been chronically suicidal and/or carefully planned their attempts over a prolonged period of time.

Half a lifetime ago, I was involved in a serious high speed single-car accident that I shouldn't have walked away from. (It was not intentional.) My last thought before impact was relief that nobody would ever have to know that I actually wanted what was about to happen. My first thought upon coming to was anger, regret, and despondency at the fact that I'd escaped relatively unscathed. The car was upside down. Gas was pouring into the cab and smoking. I stayed (hoping the thing would explode), until I saw a couple of people venturing down the hill and extricated myself because I didn't want anyone else getting injured on my behalf.

I can't tell you how many times I've driven by that spot over the years and either bawled or gotten physically ill over the fact that I survived. Should I fail, I can't imagine I will be pleased with the outcome or any more enthused about my continued existence.

 

[Nodscene]

How many of those attempts were impulsive and poorly conceived?

I can see how someone who impulsively attempted to end their life could easily regret it later, especially if their actions were spurred by a relatively temporary setback. I suspect those numbers would be vastly different if you were to speak with survivors who have been chronically suicidal and/or carefully planned their attempts over a prolonged period of time.

Half a lifetime ago, I was involved in a serious high speed single-car accident that I shouldn't have walked away from. (It was not intentional.) My last thought before impact was relief that nobody would ever have to know that I actually wanted what was about to happen. My first thought upon coming to was anger, regret, and despondency at the fact that I'd escaped relatively unscathed. The car was upside down. Gas was pouring into the cab and smoking. I stayed (hoping the thing would explode), until I saw a couple of people venturing down the hill and extricated myself because I didn't want anyone else getting injured on my behalf.

I can't tell you how many times I've driven by that spot over the years and either bawled or gotten physically ill over the fact that I survived. Should I fail, I can't imagine I will be pleased with the outcome or any more enthused about my continued existence.

I kind of know how you feel. I've been in 2 car accidents, both at highway speeds and both times I rolled the car multiple times. Aside from jacking my already wrecked back I walked away unscathed. It's like what the fuck do I have to do to end things.

Hope you eventually find your peace.

 

[Marktheghost]

What about the people that succeed, that's the statistic I want to know.

0% of them have ever regretted it.