Discussion 7 reasons not to legalize euthanasia

[Versailles]

I just saw a video titled "7 Reasons not to legalize euthanasia", I found it extremely absurd and ridiculous, I wanted to share it here, for those who don't speak Spanish, I'll do the translation



Translation
Let's speak out about euthanasia
The truths that others hide, something perverse is hidden under a goodist layer that threatens human dignity

1. Euthanasia Kills
- Euthanasia is a type of homicide or suicide, depending on how it is established
- Deliberate death is never the solution
- Supposes the failure of society
- It is also susceptible to manipulation

2. Euthanasia does not serve to avoid suffering
- To avoid suffering there is palliative care and support

3. Euthanasia is a form of eugenics
- Euthanasia seeks to lighten the costs of the state in health and pensions

4. Euthanasia discriminates
- Data confirms that the rich do not use euthanasia

5. Euthanasia worsens the doctor-patient relationship
- Euthanasia perverts medical ethics that since Hippocrates has focused on eliminating pain, not eliminating the patient

6. Euthanasia is irreversible
- It promotes the despair of the sick, leading them to surrender

7. Euthanasia is not a consequence of freedom, but of selfishness
- It is based on the indifference that everyone does what they want and that no one interferes in my life, promoting an individualistic and unsupportive society

End of translation

These arguments seem very absurd to me, I even laughed a little, you judge

 

[rationaltake]

Ridiculous arguments. Very simplistic. Gracias por compartir.

 

[waitingforrest]

1. Euthanasia Kills

Umm, isn't that the point lol. What even is this argument??

Edit: I just couldn't stop thinking about this one anime clip. The comments are gold lol.

Spoiler: "People die if they are killed"

 

[Rogue Proxy]

Too bad these pro-suffering simpletons can't be booed off the stage (of existence).

 

[edu0z]

I just saw a video titled "7 Reasons not to legalize euthanasia", I found it extremely absurd and ridiculous, I wanted to share it here, for those who don't speak Spanish, I'll do the translation



Translation
Let's speak out about euthanasia
The truths that others hide, something perverse is hidden under a goodist layer that threatens human dignity

1. Euthanasia Kills
- Euthanasia is a type of homicide or suicide, depending on how it is established
- Deliberate death is never the solution
- Supposes the failure of society
- It is also susceptible to manipulation

2. Euthanasia does not serve to avoid suffering
- To avoid suffering there is palliative care and support

3. Euthanasia is a form of eugenics
- Euthanasia seeks to lighten the costs of the state in health and pensions

4. Euthanasia discriminates
- Data confirms that the rich do not use euthanasia

5. Euthanasia worsens the doctor-patient relationship
- Euthanasia perverts medical ethics that since Hippocrates has focused on eliminating pain, not eliminating the patient

6. Euthanasia is irreversible
- It promotes the despair of the sick, leading them to surrender

7. Euthanasia is not a consequence of freedom, but of selfishness
- It is based on the indifference that everyone does what they want and that no one interferes in my life, promoting an individualistic and unsupportive society

End of translation

These arguments seem very absurd to me, I even laughed a little, you judge

Dice que atenta contra la dignidad del ser humano... que es mas digno? morir de cancer o cualquier otra enfermedad agonizando de dolor, o tener un final pacifico en el que puedes despedirte apropiadamente de tus seres queridos o del mundo estando en paz contigo mismo y pudiendo perdonarte todo?... gracias por compartir, pero ese video me recuerda a los tipicos socialistas que hablan de economai sin tener ni puta idea y basandose solo en falsas moralidades.

 

[noname223]

I just saw a video titled "7 Reasons not to legalize euthanasia", I found it extremely absurd and ridiculous, I wanted to share it here, for those who don't speak Spanish, I'll do the translation



Translation
Let's speak out about euthanasia
The truths that others hide, something perverse is hidden under a goodist layer that threatens human dignity

1. Euthanasia Kills
- Euthanasia is a type of homicide or suicide, depending on how it is established
- Deliberate death is never the solution
- Supposes the failure of society
- It is also susceptible to manipulation

2. Euthanasia does not serve to avoid suffering
- To avoid suffering there is palliative care and support

3. Euthanasia is a form of eugenics
- Euthanasia seeks to lighten the costs of the state in health and pensions

4. Euthanasia discriminates
- Data confirms that the rich do not use euthanasia

5. Euthanasia worsens the doctor-patient relationship
- Euthanasia perverts medical ethics that since Hippocrates has focused on eliminating pain, not eliminating the patient

6. Euthanasia is irreversible
- It promotes the despair of the sick, leading them to surrender

7. Euthanasia is not a consequence of freedom, but of selfishness
- It is based on the indifference that everyone does what they want and that no one interferes in my life, promoting an individualistic and unsupportive society

End of translation

These arguments seem very absurd to me, I even laughed a little, you judge

What the fuck. I hate all of them.
Maybe I will later elaborate more on it.
Thanks for sharing.

 

[FuneralCry]

I cannot stand anti choice people. Euthanasia should be a human right, it should be legalised everywhere, people should not have to resort to risky and traumatic methods to end their suffering.

 

[Foresight]

Euthanasia kills lmao. You don't say.

 

[Versailles]

- Data confirms that the rich do not use euthanasia

Source: the vice ministry of supreme happiness

 

[Oblivion Access]

Euthanasia kills. That's like saying drugs get you high. Yes, that's the point. Gibberish so silly it merits no response. Yet here we all are

 

[Versailles]

Euthanasia kills. That's like saying drugs get you high. Yes, that's the point. Gibberish so silly it merits no response. Yet here we all are

The worst of all is that this video was made by a legal center, maybe it's a lawyer who earned the title by finding it in a pack of Doritos

 

[edu0z]

Source: the vice ministry of supreme happiness

haha and the best is how they tell you that it discriminates... I'm not sure they know what it means

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

Everytime one of these clown world articles mentions the santicty of Doctor patient relationships I wonder if they have ever interacted with a doctor in their lives. A truly special relationship where your needs are decided by a sanctimonious beurocracy playing God, all while you may get invasive or uncomfortable things done against your will, treatments withheld, and verbally abused, as a little treat. Aye now, let us not pervert this sacred connection between doctors and patients.

 

[LoneMisery]

Theres just too much money to be made when youre alive. Even if youre jobless and live off welfare. They just tax the working man more and pocket a cut. Pharmaceutical companies would lose money from less pill buyers. Hospitals would lose money. Its all about making a dollar.
Even if youre in jail. The tax payers pay for it and a cut is pocketed.

 

[edu0z]

Euthanasia kills. That's like saying drugs get you high. Yes, that's the point. Gibberish so silly it merits no response. Yet here we all are

7 Reasons not to eat:

1. Food takes away your hunger
-you will stop being hungry but only for a while

2.But only for a while
-is a temporary solution to a biger problem

3. Restaurants are a form of eugenics
-Eating is a necessity, eating for pleasure is against nature... fuck the art and the chefs and everything

4. Food discriminates
-Data says that those who are not hungry or anxious do not eat

 

[Versailles]

Edit: I just couldn't stop thinking about this one anime clip. The comments are gold lol.

Who the hell translated this? I hope someone hit the translator on the head with a dictionary

 

[°Celsuis_Caesar]

Guess I'll just throw myself in front of the authors car killing me and making him a vegetable, THEN they will be accepting of Euthanasia, Man.

 

[LoneMisery]

Guess I'll just throw myself in front of the authors car killing me and making him a vegetable, THEN they will be accepting of Euthanasia, Man.

Ive been contemplating a train. I know its going to hurt like hell. But hopefully only for a second. I thought my plan as silly but i cant get a g and no way can i afford any of the other methods ive read here.
My tooth has been killing me and since i have no insurance nor make little enough to get it done for free, i already kno its coming.
My dad ctb 4 21 1999 and im thinking that will be the day i do it.
I hate to sound cliche and say i dont want to do it that way but i dont have any other options. I would use my car and use carbon monoxide but ive read even my 03 durango doesnt put out enough emissions. And the main thing i want is to not fail!

 

[Versailles]

7 Reasons not to eat:

1. Food takes away your hunger
-you will stop being hungry but only for a while

2.But only for a while
-is a temporary solution to a biger problem

3. Restaurants are a form of eugenics
-Eating is a necessity, eating for pleasure is against nature... fuck the art and the chefs and everything

4. Food discriminates
-Data says that those who are not hungry or anxious do not eat

you missed 2 reasons

 

[Feeding Pigeons]

4. Euthanasia discriminates
- Data confirms that the rich do not use euthanasia

This makes me unreasonably angry. NO FUCKING SHIT.

 

[elfin]

this is one of the stupidest things that i have ever heard.

 

[Nightmare Painting]

I'm actually against euthanasia but only because it'd be filled with bureaucratic red tape. I'd rather there just be a way to buy over the counter Nembutal with a waiting period in case anyone changes their mind.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

This is really funny but it gets sad once you realize that real people, many with power and influence actually feel this way and they'll never be convinced otherwise.

 

[edu0z]

Umm, isn't that the point lol. What even is this argument??

Edit: I just couldn't stop thinking about this one anime clip. The comments are gold lol.

Spoiler: "People die if they are killed"

haha looks like something Nicolas Maduro would say

you missed 2 reasons

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[Versailles]

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What kind of endogenous Netflix are you trying to sell me?, lol

 

[Lostkitten1]

Pro-life twaddle. Let's break it down, shall we?

• Euthanasia kills - yes, by definition, that would be the point. Why is this a downside?
• Euthanasia does not serve to avoid suffering. True, it does not avoid suffering. It ends it.
• Euthanasia is a form of eugenics - not until state sponsored and encouraged. That'll be the day.
• Euthanasia discriminates. True, insofar as most of us can't do it, yet. However, it is also said that as humans,the only time we are equal is in death
• Euthanasia worsens the doctor-patient relationship. That's a deep ethical question, as "doing no harm" could be interpreted as "don't kill people" , but equally people could be harmed by continual existence. Hence pro choice, as really the only person who knows what is right for them is themself.
• Euthanasia is irreversible. Again, yes... What's your point?
• Euthanasia is not a consequence of freedom, but of selfishness. Ah yes, the old "you should suffer so I don't have to" argument. Think I found your selfishness right there.

As with flat earthers, free energy, pyramid and or crystal power and the latest "negative ion" snake oil, pro life arguments rarely stand up to more than a casual glance.

 

[Seiba]

The actual reason is that promoting it would lead to further wage loss and would otherwise promote not solving societal issues. It would also not be available unless you were rich and have gotten permission that you have otherwise contributed enough societally. That aside, all other countries that have it require a very extensive mental health history and you need to quite literally try almost everything to get access. The American irony would be having all of that extensive mental health history required without any of the barriers to treatment and the affordability dealt with. People would just get bared from a peaceful death and euthanasia would be a carrot dangled in the face of many. Religion is also huge in the united states, and will always be a massive barrier to such a thing. Prosperity theology will never allow suicide while stating at the same time you're at fault for your problems due to a lack of belief and donations to the proper religious figures.

 

[summers]

- Supposes the failure of society

This isn't supposition. Society has failed at nearly all levels for probably 80% of the world's population.

3. Euthanasia is a form of eugenics
- Euthanasia seeks to lighten the costs of the state in health and pensions

Nothing actually wrong with this. There are limited resources. If people don't want to live, there is an economic benefit.

4. Euthanasia discriminates
- Data confirms that the rich do not use euthanasia

Going to call bullshit on this one. Plenty of rich people kill themselves. Having money doesn't solve all problems, but it does make it easier to access peaceful but expensive methods.

7. Euthanasia is not a consequence of freedom, but of selfishness
- It is based on the indifference that everyone does what they want and that no one interferes in my life, promoting an individualistic and unsupportive society

Even if it is, so what? There is nothing wrong with putting yourself first when it comes to choosing whether to live or not. I don't need society's support - just don't interfere with my decisions.

 

[PDAnnie2610]

It is the solution to consider when one is suffering, maybe it's not the ONLY solution but it's definitely a solution I reserve the right to consider when suffering both physical and mental pain.

They obviously never suffered.

 

[noname223]

I just saw a video titled "7 Reasons not to legalize euthanasia", I found it extremely absurd and ridiculous, I wanted to share it here, for those who don't speak Spanish, I'll do the translation



Translation
Let's speak out about euthanasia
The truths that others hide, something perverse is hidden under a goodist layer that threatens human dignity

1. Euthanasia Kills
- Euthanasia is a type of homicide or suicide, depending on how it is established
- Deliberate death is never the solution
- Supposes the failure of society
- It is also susceptible to manipulation

2. Euthanasia does not serve to avoid suffering
- To avoid suffering there is palliative care and support

3. Euthanasia is a form of eugenics
- Euthanasia seeks to lighten the costs of the state in health and pensions

4. Euthanasia discriminates
- Data confirms that the rich do not use euthanasia

5. Euthanasia worsens the doctor-patient relationship
- Euthanasia perverts medical ethics that since Hippocrates has focused on eliminating pain, not eliminating the patient

6. Euthanasia is irreversible
- It promotes the despair of the sick, leading them to surrender

7. Euthanasia is not a consequence of freedom, but of selfishness
- It is based on the indifference that everyone does what they want and that no one interferes in my life, promoting an individualistic and unsupportive society

End of translation

These arguments seem very absurd to me, I even laughed a little, you judge

I really despise argument number 3. Euthanasia would be a forum of eugenics. In my country there is often the argument from christian-conservatives that assisted suicide for disabled people would be like the nazi crimes (killing innocent disabled people). I think this comparison is disgusting and immoral.

It is a huge difference whether someone wants to die or not. It down plays the severity of the nazi crimes and instrumentalizes it.
I have really met pro-life people who made this claim. This is not a strawman argument.
This argument is really evil in my opinion and the media sometimes overtakes their argument instead of calling it out.