2000+ people ctb globally each day

[Rational man]

2000+ people ctb globally each day.

This website and its members, offer support to distressed individuals.

I believe many people have probably taken a step back from ctb because of this support.

Peaceful NewYear.

 

[summers]

Globally, about 160,000 people die every day. So only 1 out of 80 die by suicide. Doesn't seem like too big of an issue.

Edit: source - https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/deaths-per-day

 

[Circles]

In my opinion I doubt most of those suicides have any access to this site. Given numerous of factors like having access to the internet. Especially considering 1/3 of all suicides each year and I'm assuming each day happens in China and India.

General Information about Suicide | Befrienders Worldwide Support

WHO estimates that each year approximately 800,000 people die from suicide. If you have emotional concerns that are affecting you, find a centre to call now.

www.befrienders.org

If you're interested in any more statistics I made a post discussing this also:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...ountries-by-number-of-suicides-project.74425/

 

[Mixo]

I'm sure these statistics will grow with time, as people are finding it increasingly hard to survive and subsist on their own and with the pressures of climate change that will wreak havoc on many territories.

 

[callme]

Aluminium phosphide must hurt like a bastard. Poor Indian farmers

 

[Mixo]

Another hot take: if people weren't forced to subject themselves to working and/or wage slavery, suicide would decrease by at least 20%.

 

[summers]

Another hot take: if people weren't forced to subject themselves to working and/or wage slavery, suicide would decrease by at least 20%.

When was the last time the majority of people weren't forced to work or slaves to a wage? Serious question. I would think it had to be before the medieval times, because people were bound to work the land even back then.

 

[Mixo]

When was the last time the majority of people weren't forced to work or slaves to a wage? Serious question. I would think it had to be before the medieval times, because people were bound to work the land even back then.

Great point, but we have a lot more societal pressures and challenges than humans did in Medieval times so it's not quite an equal comparison. Apples to mangos, really. Not to mention people used to die out pretty quick back then. Now, we're generally forced to live longer with suffering.

 

[NormaJeane]

All people must to die of something!

 

[summers]

Great point, but we have a lot more societal pressures and challenges than humans did in Medieval times so it's not quite an equal comparison. Apples to mangos, really. Not to mention people used to die out pretty quick back then. Now, we're generally forced to live longer with suffering.

I think the world and people's lives would be tremendously better if we had forced euthanasia at a certain age like Logan's Run. Maybe not 21 like the book, but I think 40-45 would be perfect.

Logan's Run - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[callme]

When was the last time the majority of people weren't forced to work or slaves to a wage? Serious question. I would think it had to be before the medieval times, because people were bound to work the land even back then.

Not taken literally, up to the 80s in the west it seems, a father could still raise a family of 4 working alone. As long as divisions in work-life balance were still there, they were not wage-slaving entirely.

It's a new meaning attached to wage-slaving today and namely to corporations, instead of lands themselves as it used to be. Where it was peobably seen as a necessary and probably the only element of life before, it's nothing but a result of refulations and opportunism today. I don't think without modern economic theory medieval states could've had any better means of organisation and mass production, their entirely work life of 16 hours per day is a product of its time.

Maybe our current state is a product of our time too, but it's fucking stupid.

 

[summers]

Not taken literally, up to the 80s in the west it seems, a father could still raise a family of 4 working alone. As long as divisions in work-life balance were still there, they were not wage-slaving entirely.

It's a new meaning attached to wage-slaving today and namely to corporations, instead of lands themselves as it used to be. Where it was peobably seen as a necessary and probably the only element of life before, it's nothing but a result of refulations and opportunism today. I don't think without modern economic theory medieval states could've had any better means of organisation and mass production, their entirely work life of 16 hours per day is a product of its time.

Maybe our current state is a product of our time too, but it's fucking stupid.

That's just as bad though. That father is a slave to his family. They fully rely on him for survival and any quality of life. I would much rather be a slave to a corporation, at least you can change employers, or even careers if your determined.

All people must to die of something!

I think boredom with the monotony of life does in quite a few :)

 

[Mixo]

Aluminium phosphide must hurt like a bastard. Poor Indian farmers

Sorry but what is this? Is there some kind of chemical warfare going on there?

Not taken literally, up to the 80s in the west it seems, a father could still raise a family of 4 working alone. As long as divisions in work-life balance were still there, they were not wage-slaving entirely.

It's a new meaning attached to wage-slaving today and namely to corporations, instead of lands themselves as it used to be. Where it was peobably seen as a necessary and probably the only element of life before, it's nothing but a result of refulations and opportunism today. I don't think without modern economic theory medieval states could've had any better means of organisation and mass production, their entirely work life of 16 hours per day is a product of its time.

Maybe our current state is a product of our time too, but it's fucking stupid.

I'd say probably more like the late 70's. That's when Democrats abandoned working people and started pivoting towards big business and private interest. After that, the working man in America had zero protection.

 

[Rational man]

I think life is increasingly materialistic. People are judged by status rather than by the spirit of humans. Like coerced into living and buying stuff of family, stuff that may not be essential. I have never found happiness with upgraded gadgets. And it seems people with upgrades are competing with others.

 

[callme]

Sorry but what is this? Is there some kind of chemical warfare going on there?

No, the pesticide most common for suicides in Southeast Asian and Indian people, mostly farmers. We do have them in the rest of the world, but most require certification.

 

[summers]

I'd say probably more like the late 70's. That's when Democrats abandoned working people and started pivoting towards big business and private interest. After that, the working man in America had zero protection.

Expecting the government to protect you is a flawed way of thinking. Businesses will always be able to donate more than individuals, thus control elections and politics.

 

[Mixo]

Expecting the government to protect you is a flawed way of thinking. Businesses will always be able to donate more than individuals, thus control elections and politics.

I don't expect governments to protect me. I expect them to be regulated to prevent corruption. Very key difference. And there was indeed once a time to prevent big business/private interests from having undue influence on the political process. To say that "oh well that's just the way it is and businesses and rich people will always prevail" is just capitulation to a system that favors private interests over average people.

 

[summers]

I don't expect governments to protect me. I expect them to be regulated to prevent corruption. Very key difference. And there was indeed once a time to prevent big business/private interests from having undue influence on the political process. To say that "oh well that's just the way it is and businesses and rich people will always prevail" is just capitulation to a system that favors private interests over average people.

You can try to fight this, but it's a losing proposition. I think enjoying life for a little while longer then giving myself lead poisoning is a path of much less resistance.

 

[Mixo]

You can try to fight this, but it's a losing proposition. I think enjoying life for a little while longer then giving myself lead poisoning is a path of much less resistance.

Fair enough, man. It's easy for me to sit on the sidelines and have an opinion, but frankly, I think we're pretty much fucked as a species anyway.

 

[summers]

Fair enough, man. It's easy for me to sit on the sidelines and have an opinion, but frankly, I think we're pretty much fucked as a species anyway.

Totally fucked. The only hope for intelligent life on this planet is for the singularity to occur. I think initially, people will resist following AI's orders, but once they realize they're only alive because something with the power of a god let them live, they'll be more inclined to listen. Sometimes you just have to accept you're not the smartest thing in the room haha.

Edit: or ai will realize how fucked up we are, and just do a purge.

 

[fox_wannabe]

Another hot take: if people weren't forced to subject themselves to working and/or wage slavery, suicide would decrease by at least 20%.

I sometimes find meaning in work, but work make me suicidal also, especially retail jobs. I cannot imagine how world without work would look like.

Even tribesman had to work, tho they would put much less hours, and would do things some people do for pleasure like fishing or hunting. I am not so sure I would love to live in that "society". Everything sounds cool and nature and all, but you could still get excluded from tribe and die alone in wilderness, I think that is how people commited suicide in past, if they weren't killed.

 

[FuneralCry]

I believe that in a life like this wanting suicide is perfectly rational. For me it makes sense to escape decades of suffering. I want to die on my own terms, at a time of my own choosing. So many people experience such great pain every day, so to me it is understandable why so many people ctb. Anyone who says that life is always worth living is clearly delusional.

 

[Crazy4u]

2000 seems very low. 20,000 makes more sense to me.

 

[Rational man]

The awfulness of the pandemic is bad enough, but humanity's decisiveness, anger and aggression. Perhaps this was the tipping point. People.have been destroyed psychology. I confess that whatever little love i had for humankind has vanished amongst the awfulness.

 

[fox_wannabe]

The awfulness of the pandemic is bad enough, but humanity's decisiveness, anger and aggression. Perhaps this was the tipping point. People.have been destroyed psychology. I confess that whatever little love i had for humankind has vanished amongst the awfulness.

It was my tipping point. All illusions have been destroyed and I just both wait and fear of death.

 

[D&D]

Advancements of what is commonly called 'modern age' meaning from industrial revolution on, have, as many said - made human lives better in many ways ... countless comforts are cited - medical, technological, etc. to name just a few. Today's men and women live longer and more comfortably than ever before. At least in the so called developed world. That is neither untrue not the whole true. The missing, often ignored part of that truth is the price of it all. Slowly, almost unnoticeably humans have exchanged 'dreams' for 'comforts' ... 'ideals' for 'gadgets'. Believing themselves all the while free and advancing.

Perhaps it is the inevitable march of what humans like calling progress ... its final destination 'a new and improved human' - one partially integrated with and dependent on technology. It isn't that hard to imagine, but it would be impossible to live with. Which is why likes of me, ordinary, still dreaming humans, could not be part of it. The brave new world.

 

[PeacefulTonic]

I think the world and people's lives would be tremendously better if we had forced euthanasia at a certain age like Logan's Run. Maybe not 21 like the book, but I think 40-45 would be perfect.

Logan's Run - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Forced euthanasia at a certain age is a ridiculous take. Some people actually enjoy living their lives

 

[Pluto]

Perhaps it is the inevitable march of what humans like calling progress ... its final destination 'a new and improved human' - one partially integrated with and dependent on technology. It isn't that hard to imagine, but it would be impossible to live with. Which is why likes of me, ordinary, still dreaming humans, could not be part of it. The brave new world.

Change is a constant and many aspects of current economics are unsustainable. The long-term question is whether society will finally embrace compassion, or devolve into a cesspool of primitive behaviour.

 

[summers]

Forced euthanasia at a certain age is a ridiculous take. Some people actually enjoy living their lives

Are you saying you couldn't enjoy living if you knew exactly when you were going to die?

 

[PeacefulTonic]

Are you saying you couldn't enjoy living if you knew exactly when you were going to die?

The only people who can seriously answer this question are terminally ill patients with a finite amount of time left. For me personally? I can only theorize. If I were happy and healthy, deep down I'd probably be depressed as fuck knowing exactly when I was going to die

There are a fuck ton of people 45 or older who still enjoy life and have lots of things they still want to do. I thought this site was pro-choice? Forced euthanasia at x age completely goes against that notion