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1. Why is everybody taking Sn all of a sudden? Like so many users attempted sn this week and want to do it in coming week including me. I

2. Why does it have to be so dramatic. I am in such mindspace that for me my suicide is not dramatic, It is more of a choice not to live my life. If my family was not so attached to me we could have genuine conversation instead of what I expect it to look like: crying, police, psych wards, shock.

I told my mom I am simply fed up with depression I go through and I was told to go to psychiatrist- I declined, I bloody hate psychiatrists. And from that point on I am on watch, being called everyday If I am ok, and what is my mood and all that bs.. I have to lie of course.

(I am lonely, friendless, single guy, spending all day in my house without hobbies, I am failing at my fake as college getting fake degree, I have cPTSD and Aspergers, anxiety and I cannot work or spend time in places I cannot quickly run away from. How do you think I feel mom?)
 
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Suicide isn't dramatic for me anymore either. I have zero reasons to live and a lot of reasons to die. My only guilt would be not staying alive to earn and donate money towards effective animal charities. But I just don't have the strength to reduce myself to a money generating unit.
 
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Suicide isn't dramatic for me anymore either. I have zero reasons to live and a lot of reasons to die. My only guilt would be not staying alive to earn and donate money towards effective animal charities. But I just don't have the strength to reduce myself to a money generating unit.

It is very honorable of you to donate to charities. <3

It is always sad when you have no reasons to live, but you still have to work and provide for yourself, even if this process is stressful, at least for me.
 
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In my case, there is nothing dramatic about suicide. It may seem that way as the society tries to force us to live, meaning that suicide is very difficult. It should not have to be this way, of course we have the right to exit this world at a time of our choosing, and we do not have to justify our reasons for leaving. It is our life, our decision. In my case wanting suicide is perfectly rational. I have simply had enough of a depressing existence and it is the only thing that makes sense for me.

I hope all those who have ctb have finally found the peace that they could not find in life.
 
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Why is everybody taking Sn all of a sudden? Like so many users attempted sn this week and want to do it in coming week including me. I
Hard to say, I don't think there is a reason for it; their timing probably just happened to be on this week, it's been a sad week, seeing those souls leave. I wish them the absolute best, to you too.
Why does it have to be so dramatic. I am in such mindspace that for me my suicide is not dramatic, It is more of a choice not to live my life. If my family was not so attached to me we could have genuine conversation instead of what I expect it to look like: crying, police, psych wards, shock.
It being "flashy and dramatic" is optional, jumping from a building will be dramatic, taking a toxic substance not that much, cops and ambulances will get there in either way. You can surely help with it not being dramatic, you internalized it and for you is just a choice; but not everyone has internalized that idea.

Best wishes.
 
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It being "flashy and dramatic" is optional, jumping from a building will be dramatic, taking a toxic substance not that much, cops and ambulances will get there in either way. You can surely help with it not being dramatic, you internalized it and for you is just a choice; but not everyone has internalized that idea.
It won't be that dramatic. I think It will be obvious for some. Police will find me in a forest and I will have note and documents. I will ask my police not to show my body to parents and explaining that It was suicide. I will explain why in a separate note in my house.

It is better for police to find me. Finally my tax money will be put to good use.
 
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I told my mom I am simply fed up with depression I go through and I was told to go to psychiatrist- I declined, I bloody hate psychiatrists. And from that point on I am on watch, being called everyday If I am ok, and what is my mood and all that bs.. I have to lie of course.
Yes, yes, and yes. We have to lie because we're denied the very personal responsibility they keep telling us we have to assume. We're "responsible" for ourselves only so far as the choices we make are in line with what the majority find acceptable. Make a choice about and for yourself they don't like, and it's imprisonment and coercion and physical assault for you! It's so absurd it doesn't bear discussion (with them) anymore. Notice how they're not responsible for keeping us alive (we're not entitled to a source of income, housing, health care...), but we can't opt out if the ways to stay alive are gravely unsatisfactory to or insufficient for us? How the h*ll is that remotely "freedom"?
 
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Yes, yes, and yes. We have to lie because we're denied the very personal responsibility they keep telling us we have to assume. We're "responsible" for ourselves only so far as the choices we make are in line with what the majority find acceptable. Make a choice about and for yourself they don't like, and it's imprisonment and coercion and physical assault for you! It's so absurd it doesn't bear discussion (with them) anymore. Notice how they're not responsible for keeping us alive (we're not entitled to a source of income, housing, health care...), but we can't opt out if the ways to stay alive are gravely unsatisfactory to or insufficient for us? How the h*ll is that remotely "freedom"?
Thanks for comment. I appreciate that. My mom and father actually keep me alive. I understand where the frustration comes from. I am a lucky case, but I bet expectations of most families in US is for the kid to reach 18 and gtfo. It unnerves me that there are places in the world where trying to ctb is a crime. It is a violence against freedom.

I will say even more. The fact that we are afraid of death and we feel we have to live, and that we have to make money, in order to live makes us nothing more than slaves.

They send me money, pay for bills. My mom hopes for me to get degree. I told her I rather be a welder, because college is too stressful. Now I don't want to do anything. I am like a person in a coma, just existing. My auntie is like 40 and is neeting. I will choose death over being burden and disappointment to my family. Even though they would rather see me rot in my house struggling, so they can be the ones to help, to be kind and loving. To be my savior and me being a victim.

I will say even more. Because they want me to live I will have to find employment. And last time I was employed I was scorned and shouted at by every coworker. And few clients. Everybody likes to make me stressed. And I am very fragile, not by my choice, this is how my brain is. I have Asperger's. And people here are ruthless. They will push you down to make themselves feel better. And I experienced that first hand. I just do not want to deal with people. This is why I am locked in my room I think.
 
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Thanks for comment. I appreciate that. My mom and father actually keep me alive. I understand where the frustration comes from. I am a lucky case, but I bet expectations of most families in US is for the kid to reach 18 and gtfo. It unnerves me that there are places in the world where trying to ctb is a crime. It is a violence against freedom.

I will say even more. The fact that we are afraid of death and we feel we have to live, and that we have to make money, in order to live makes us nothing more than slaves.

They send me money, pay for bills. My mom hopes for me to get degree. I told her I rather be a welder, because college is too stressful. Now I don't want to do anything. I am like a person in a coma, just existing. My auntie is like 40 and is neeting. I will choose death over being burden and disappointment to my family. Even though they would rather see me rot in my house struggling, so they can be the ones to help, to be kind and loving. To be my savior and me being a victim.

I will say even more. Because they want me to live I will have to find employment. And last time I was employed I was scorned and shouted at by every coworker. And few clients. Everybody likes to make me stressed. And I am very fragile, not by my choice, this is how my brain is. I have Asperger's. And people here are ruthless. They will push you down to make themselves feel better. And I experienced that first hand. I just do not want to deal with people. This is why I am locked in my room I think.
I empathize with everything you've shared. School was hellishly stressful for me, too, but I did it because I was supposed to. Then work was just as painfully stressful. You're right--people scream at, belittle, abuse you just because society thinks it's acceptable in pursuit of ever more productivity to appease the rapacious new god The Economy. We have no right to kindness. In the US, we're told we have no right to employment BUT we have a right to labor. So, we aren't due a way to survive, but if someone else wants to exploit... sorry.... pay us to labor, we can do this in exchange for what the other party is willing to pay us. Never mind the stultifying power imbalance and loss of both dignity and freedom to negotiate effectively. Very many people in my country feel this is not just OK, but "right." I'm not under any illusion that I have some right to change others' minds, but at the very least, they could let those of us who can't or don't want to participate in this system leave. They claim we don't have a right to leave because we would be imposing a moral burden on others--either to agree with our decision or to help us against their will. They side-step the obvious--that they deny us access to information and the means to leave peacefully and quietly. As for their feelings--the suffering they claim we impose on others by departing, why is our suffering any less important than theirs? Not to mention the very, very many who choose suicide after having been abandoned (in the US, several studies find the suicide rate among the homeless can be as high as 10-times that in the general population).

Sorry, I got away with myself. I agree with you wholeheartedly. We're "push[ed] down to make [others] feel better." We're expected to live degrading lives wage slaving for just barely enough to stay alive to keep benefitting others (the State, corporations...). And all the while, as you've written, we're constantly reminded how much of a "burden and disappointment" we are. It's mind-boggling.

An online social worker whom I've written extensively about once answered the question What should we do about those who don't respond to conventional therapy and who live horribly painful and objectively worsening lives? by saying she is concerned with those she can save. How wonderful. Those who have loving families, are still valued by society and who have enough resources to stay alive--for their sake, the abandoned dross can "rot" (your word, very apt) for decades or experiment with hard-to-acquire, possibly painful, and likely frightening ways out, hidden in the dark like criminals or monsters. You are right: "It is a violence against freedom."

Loved your thread. Thank you for sharing it. Peace.
 
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Yes, yes, and yes. We have to lie because we're denied the very personal responsibility they keep telling us we have to assume. We're "responsible" for ourselves only so far as the choices we make are in line with what the majority find acceptable. Make a choice about and for yourself they don't like, and it's imprisonment and coercion and physical assault for you! It's so absurd it doesn't bear discussion (with them) anymore. Notice how they're not responsible for keeping us alive (we're not entitled to a source of income, housing, health care...), but we can't opt out if the ways to stay alive are gravely unsatisfactory to or insufficient for us? How the h*ll is that remotely "freedom"?
This. I fucking hate society. They just want you to live to be a worker and that benefits THEM. They don't give a fuck about your pay and mental health.
 
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