Kramer

Kramer

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Being dead is a concept that has always bothered me. It conjures up the idea of being eternally immobile when that's not how it'll be at all. "Dead" is a concept that only works in the world of the living as a means of classification.

It makes me feel better to know my remains won't be me. I won't exist and if I do, it'll be as something completely different. I'll be like the air in the sky. Truly free and not confined to a realm of eternal blackness.
 
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Sprite_Geist

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That is an interesting take Needforrelief. I think that what you have said about the classification and concept of death can also be applied to life too.

Living organisms exist in a hierarchy which is partly based on complexity and also where they came from. At one end you have animals such as Homo sapiens (humans). Toward the other end you have more basic living organisms, and even further past them you have living "things" which are even more basic than that. Though there are some outliers - like the virus.

Viruses are part of the living world; they have a hierarchy that is used to classify them just like living organisms; they even use some of the same ranks such as Genus and Kingdom - they also have an evolutionary line. However despite this they are technically not alive, or atleast that is what some individuals think, and they think this because viruses do not completely fit the current criteria - they are in a grey area.

So what does that make them then? There are three main arguments:
1.: A virus is in fact living, it is just a different form of life; which means we have to change our criteria for what it is to be alive.
2.: A virus is not living. After all: a virus is essentially just a collection of proteins and such; which would make it more similar to molecular machines that can be found inside of cells.
3.: A virus is not living or non-living, and not dead either - it just... Is. This would mean that what humans call "Life" does not really exist, and it is merely a label that we give to things that fit a arbitrary, man-made requirements. In other words: it is just a concept like death, as you have said.

Given what you have posted I think that you will likely to pick option 3.

Anyhow thank you for posting this.
 
ihavetoleave

ihavetoleave

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Dec 28, 2020
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Interesting take. I have trouble seeing past being human once I do not exist and have died, what scares me the most is not breathing anymore. I don't know what it would be like to not breathe ever again. I'm sure that once we are dead we don't have a brain to process this at all, still it makes me panic to think of not breathing or taking a breath.
 
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Sherri

Sherri

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You are so right, I wanna be cremated, so my ashes fly away and away in my favourite spot.
 
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Nodscene

Nodscene

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Life and death are an interesting concept. Along with viruses and bacteria which are hard to classify, you also have things like jellyfish that we consider alive but don't have brains. You'd think that would be important for life haha. Then we have the Siphonophore which are cells that colonize and work together to form some of the largest living things. One was recently found at a whopping 120 meters long. As it's made up of specialized cells that come together to form this "creature", it also doesn't quite fit out definition of life.

Click for video of longest creature


As for death, the definition is the end of the life of a person or organism. So yes, it definitely falls in the category of classification but is quite accurate.

I understand what you are getting at as my ex had this fear of dying because she was scared of ending up in perpetual nothingness. I could never understand that point of view as I believe that once we die that is it. Our consciousness dies as well and we turn to dust. The end is just that....the end with nothing left to fear. No loneliness, no awareness of self let alone in a vast nothingness. Isn't that the appeal for most of us?!?
 
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BluesRunTheGame

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Being dead is a concept that has always bothered me. It conjures up the idea of being eternally immobile when that's not how it'll be at all. "Dead" is a concept that only works in the world of the living as a means of classification.

It makes me feel better to know my remains won't be me. I won't exist and if I do, it'll be as something completely different. I'll be like the air in the sky. Truly free and not confined to a realm of eternal blackness.
Was gonna reply but couldn't put it any better myself. A beautiful piece.
 
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signifying nothing

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Only problem is - SI ain't listening.
 
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Kramer

Kramer

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Only problem is - SI ain't listening.
Yeah this post and many others of mine are my unconscious attempt to beat si. The day I try will be so full of anxiety that none of these rationalizations will mean anything.
 
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signifying nothing

signifying nothing

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Yeah this post and many others of mine are my unconscious attempt to beat si. The day I try will be so full of anxiety that none of these rationalizations will mean anything.
Maybe we need to try some reverse psychology? So, a mantra to try out would be something like:

'Life is the most beautiful and extraordinary thing I possess, I cherish every single day I am alive and the wonders that each day holds.'

(disclaimer: I accept no responsibility should you suddenly become a pro-lifer from repeating said mantra)

[man, I don't even know from where inside of me that bullshit came from... will have to hunt it down and kill it]
 
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Manford

Manford

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Dec 7, 2020
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What if multiverse theory is correct ? If you ctb in this universe there could be infinite other ones in which you don't. Other versions of you could go on living while some are already dead. I don't think it really matters though because they would all have a separate consciousness.
 
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signifying nothing

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What if multiverse theory is correct ? If you ctb in this universe there could be infinite other ones in which you don't. Other versions of you could go on living while some are already dead. I don't think it really matters though because they would all have a separate consciousness.
Reminds me of 'the Infinite Assassin', a short story by Greg Egan. Worth a read if you like sci-fi.
 
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lonerclown666

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Life after death or not i dont care i want to escape death is shit is painful is not pretty but i dont have other choice
 
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the_final_countdown

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Dec 29, 2020
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I often think about the Vietnamese monk who burned himself alive while meditating. The way he stayed unmoved during the entire process.

Many of us struggle to overcome the urge to live, despite immense suffering. And yet there was a man who overcame the instinct to live with equanimity and peace, during arguably one of the most painful ways you can die.

It boggles the mind.

It's also ironic. Someone with the capacity to overcome SI by going through a lot of pain, with the tools to endure it, could probably endure a lifetime of suffering. They'd have a pristine mind that could handle severe torment.

I've heard stories of Buddhist monks who handled pancreatic cancer without painkillers.


I suspect if we all spent the last 40 years of our lives meditating intensely, there would be few torments we couldn't bear. Bone cancer, pain, loss, dreams, psychotic breakdowns, mental illness.

Some times I wonder whether or not I'd be better off just going to a monastery, abandoning everything so I can suffer with less responsibility on my mind.

I don't know.

It brings me no peace to know others have endured more. And no peace to know I have the capability to endure.

This mountain is too high for me to climb.
 
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Intotheflames

Intotheflames

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Dec 23, 2020
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I often think about the Vietnamese monk who burned himself alive while meditating. The way he stayed unmoved during the entire process.

Many of us struggle to overcome the urge to live, despite immense suffering. And yet there was a man who overcame the instinct to live with equanimity and peace, during arguably one of the most painful ways you can die.

It's also ironic. Someone with the capacity to overcome SI by going through a lot of pain, with the tools to endure it, could probably endure a lifetime of suffering. They'd have a pristine mind that could handle severe torment.

I've heard stories of Buddhist monks who handled pancreatic cancer without painkillers.

I suspect if we all spent the last 40 years of our lives meditating intensely, there would be few torments we couldn't bear. Bone cancer, pain, loss, dreams, psychotic breakdowns, mental illness.

Some times I wonder whether or not I'd be better off just going to a monastery, abandoning everything so I can suffer with less responsibility on my mind.
This thread seems to see death from a realistic/materialistic point of view so maybe what I am typing might come across as fantastic ;)

For the monk, and many those who have the knowledge of beyond, overcomes SI was merely a result of knowing. He knew that body is merely a garment, and pain or happiness or whatever senses or feelings are illusions. Hence being burned alive is not as painful to him as to us, both psychologically and physically.

Yes there are practices that can give a person certain supranatural abilities, such as withstanding extreme pains, not sleeping for a long time, communicating with spirits etc.

It is submitted that meditation brings many benefits such as mental clarity, emotions stability and certain level of health etc. Yet for healing cancers, extreme pains etc. I personally believe it takes more than mere meditations. At the very least it requires unshakable faith/beliefs, then it takes quietness in mind/a high level of concentration. Just like any kinds of talents, some people are natural, for them they can self study and practice all by themselves without guidance while being fruitful. For others it takes mantras and rituals, and even then, the less talented will take years to reach the basic.

I thought about joining a monastery simply for running away too. Yet I found out monasticism in general, be it Buddhist or Christian, is hierarchical in nature. From what I know, you have to obey seniors' orders and teachings, not to mention there are rules ruling you literally 24/7. Also I realised that I was actually using spiritual knowledge to fill my material emptiness, which is very ironic since it's meant to be the other way around. Like Jesus said, know yourself, for me it's not necessarily spiritual, it's about to know exactly why we want what we want, what we really want. I am still discovering myself.
 
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