Would you allow society to attempt to solve your issues for six months? Giving CTB after failing?

  • Yes. It would encourage me to work with mental health services For a duration of time.

  • No. I don't think societal resources can help me.

  • No. I don't wanna wait. I want to CTB sooner Even if it's significantly more painful.


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Cress

Cress

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Oct 15, 2023
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I was kind of curious where everyone's thoughts on mental health service reform is at. If anyone has any suggestions or criticisms feel free to vote and discuss What your ideas might be.


Just a brief history where we're at so far. The argument that mental health services are failing is based off the fact suicide is a leading cause of death for people under 35. Even more so for males 20 to 35 being a particularly affected demographic.

Common Treatment at the moment consists of offering you:

A therapist which essentially equates to someone that you can talk to for one hour a week.

A psychiatrist that you meet with for 20 to 30 minutes a few times a year and they prescribe you medication.


If either of the two above methods fail and you tell someone that you want to harm yourself. Anyone can file a petition to have police officers hunt you down and take you to the hospital where it will be decided if you should be admitted to a psych ward.

A lot of the time therapist and psychiatrist trigger this simply because they are scared of liability And losing their job.

If anyone's unaware psych words are a type of dormitory housing usually between 16 and 40 people. All of which have been deemed to be a danger to themselves by the powers that be. This really isn't considered a treatment facility although they might have some aspects of it. A psychiatrist that comes in once or twice a week to prescribe meds or they have a group for people to attend.

The average day is about five to seven days although I've stayed in a psych ward for an entire month before. They need to release you to a "safe place" With a so called "Safety plan". To be honest these are all just nice sounding words. The time I spent a month in a psych ward I asked them to Discharge me to my car because I was homeless they said my car wasn't a "safe place". Things went on like that for a month until they needed to get rid of me and rotate new patients in and they finally agreed to discharge me to my car.


The business of providing psychiatric beds in psych words as they call them is pretty large. They have a pretty standard model for how these facilities should be run. After you get admitted to one of these facilities they ask insurance or public aid How long they're going to pay to keep you in one of their psychiatric beds at their facility. After they no longer get money to keep you there they're very quick to cycle in the next patient.

These Psych wards Have literally created a business opportunity out of farming some of the most disadvantaged people. These places charge hundreds of dollars per day to shove you in a room with two to four other people and provide you with the bare minimum basic necessities. It depends on the facility of course and I've heard of places that charge $1500-$2000 per day. Although even charging someone $500 per day is insane.

If you're ever wondering why Mental health is absolutely broken and suicide rates are through the roof, These scumbags running psych wards are part of the issue. To be honest it's hard for me to talk about without getting angry they take advantage of the most desperate down on your luck people.


I know that there is some minority of people where you need to confine them Because they're so uncontrollable but there's no way that that should be the normal operating procedure. Tossing people into these facilities and using the strategy of "Culture shock" Surrounding them with other people who also want to die doesn't seem like a good long term strategy. At least if other patients provide free counseling to the other patients in the psych ward they don't have to pay for it and it saves the shareholders some money.



I have a radical idea Maybe instead of Throwing people in these psych wards with other people that have mental health struggles. When someone wants to end their life we surround them with a team of professionals? Professionals that actually want to solve and address any grievances that you're currently having in life and see if there's any way to expedite and fix things.
If they can't fix what issues you have going on in 6 months then they will provide you with a way to Exit out of this world and die. Six months gives a significant amount of time pressure for people to really address what issues you're having.


I know there's a fair share number of you that think 6 months is way too much time To wait for solutions but I think it's more on the aggressive side In terms of a time limit. You have to understand I'm trying to think of ways where the average person would be able to digest "Right to die" concepts a little bit easier. They're legitimately going to initially want Five years or even longer.

You of course can always argue about the duration of time being too long or too short and it's always open to interpretation. Anyway I hope I was able to condense things down to a digestible level and I'm interested to hear what anyone's thoughts are. Mental health treatment has been something that's caused me a tremendous amount of suffering over the course of my life And it seems evident to me at least that the system is in dire need of reform.

Particularly with stripping away the current model of profit incentives and I don't mean that there couldn't be any profit for businesses to help people I'm specifically talking about The way things are handled now. After insurance stops paying or they argue for a lesser amount, psychiatric hospitals quickly cycle in a new person waiting for a psychiatric bed.
 
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If there was a six month hospital of some kind that had zero downsides in terms of lowering my QoL or making CTB difficult- yes, I'd do it. Absolutely.

A gap year from college and doing what you described with a panel of people helping me might be enough for me to live happily. Might. A good chunk of my motivation is existential philosophy so idk if they could really deal with that. And I'd probably be either A. extremely resistant or B. fake cooperation.
 
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It all stems from how much money can the government invest in mental health, I guess. After being to a hospital twice I think that they just lack the funds and manpower.
 
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Forever Sleep

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Only if it meant I could decide after the six months- whether or not it had worked. I wouldn't want that assessment to be made by anyone else eg. a doctor or therapist. Also, only really if assisted suicide was contingent on accepting treatment. If there truly was a choice, I probably wouldn't bother and go straight for assisted suicide. I've already tried therapy, meds (briefly,) self help books, changes in lifestyle. I'm not terribly interested in trying to make my life work anymore.

I think a waiting period is important in relation to assisted suicide to prevent impulsive attempts. I also think that relevant support should be offered in that time period. I don't think assisted suicide should be contingent on accepting treatment but, if it was, I'd go along with it- so long as I could say it hadn't worked at the end.

What concerns me with the whole- getting treatment is how it's effectiveness would be assessed and, by whom. Will it be up to the individual to say- this isn't working and I don't want to try anymore? Or, will doctors/therapists still have all the power to say that a person's situation isn't bad enough to qualify for assisted suicide? That their treatments are working? That they feel confident that a new treatment will work? I don't see why they should be able to make those decisions for us. Basically- you haven't suffered enough yet! I need you to be a guinea pig for this new drug/treatment.
 
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Plot twist: already did. That's why I'm here.
 
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Praestat_Mori

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May 21, 2023
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Without reading OP TL;DR.

It's not that easy bc each case is complex and the factors that make someone suicidal are very individual. If someone is suicidal bc of financial issues and a problem or homelessness then what what could help any further than donating to that person what they crave for. If a person is suicidal bc of incurable health issues (physical or mental) then what can solve this issue? Most mental illnesses are a result of how society and long term life circumstances are. 6 Months won't change anything if someone is already (active) suicidal.

Mental health services are failing bc in most cases they don't meet the needs! When mental health problems are avoided - due to less stress, less social pressures and many other things that make young and old people mentally ill - there's less demand.

Why is mental health such a big thing nowadays - it's bc the circumstances are often so unbearable and it doesn't get "better" for many years without having any hope for the future.

MH issues can also have a genetic issue but imo that's a minority from all cases.
 
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I'm a petty little cretin. This allows me to CTB without risk of external intervention or prevention and I get in an "I told ya so" in the most dramatic way imaginable.
 
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I find it very hard to imagine this because society never wants to solve anything, unless you mean "help" in psych ward prisons or "awareness" through prevention campaigns which are all the average person interested in, they just want to make life harder and more full of suffering.
 
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Aug 12, 2019
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The last thing I would ever want to do is go to a psych ward .

To hell with them. I'm going to kill myself

And I don't believe in hell just an expression

Hell is this world and they can stay in it
 
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Sep 24, 2020
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What I have an issue with is existence itself, under no circumstances would I wish for something as deeply undesirable as having the ability to exist, I'd never wish to suffer in this cruel, painful existence just to be tormented by old age, personally I find existing to be such a terrible, torturous burden, I only hope and wish for nothingness, I only want to never suffer again.
 
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Sep 13, 2023
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I don't have any issues. It's the world and society that is the issue, not me. I don't dream of labor and the way that society is set up is the problem here. Society expects everyone to become wageslaves and work their lives away. I don't want to work away my life just to afford to survive. I find it dumb and stupid. Society needs to reform and change, and make it a humane system rather than one of exploitation. I am a NEET because I do not want to be a part of society. I don't want to contribute to this sick soyciety. Other people are obsessed with contributing to society, which I don't understand at all. You don't owe society anything. People are weird to me because they allow themselves to get exploited and used by society, but what's even weirder is that they willingly want to. The reason why I want to ctb is because I want to escape society and this world. It is not one worth living in for me. I deserve better than this prison planet and evil world
 
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If society can whip up a time machine within the next six months that I get first dibs on then sure, I'd stay.
 
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permanently tired

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I don't have any issues. It's the world and society that is the issue, not me. I don't dream of labor and the way that society is set up is the problem here. Society expects everyone to become wageslaves and work their lives away. I don't want to work away my life just to afford to survive. I find it dumb and stupid. Society needs to reform and change, and make it a humane system rather than one of exploitation. I am a NEET because I do not want to be a part of society. I don't want to contribute to this sick soyciety. Other people are obsessed with contributing to society, which I don't understand at all. You don't owe society anything. People are weird to me because they allow themselves to get exploited and used by society, but what's even weirder is that they willingly want to. The reason why I want to ctb is because I want to escape society and this world. It is not one worth living in for me. I deserve better than this prison planet and evil world
The way society thinks and operates as a whole disgusts me. If society says smth is bad than everybody says it's bad 💀. It could be any number of subjects and it makes progress ridiculously slow. Love living in a world where people's rights are violated bc someone is having a little power trip 🤮. This world is hideous. If someone disagrees, everyone else ignores them or denies their credibility like tf. Where is the civil conversation lmao
 
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ThisIsMe1357

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May 20, 2024
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If the painless option to die after 6 months of no success was guaranteed, then yes, I would agree to it.

I do not find that many downsides to having to wait in a mental facility for just half a year. And it would have a lot of upsides, too, like having a painless option to die, compared to not having one at all currently in my country, or to having to travel half across the globe to find such an option.
 
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Nov 13, 2023
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I'm kind of skeptical. If that involved being bossed around by so-called professionals that have the goal to wrap things up as a job rather than help I'd pass. Especially if it involved being shoved meds like there's no tomorrow.

The reason I'm suicidal is because my personality is too submissive and weak for this world and my social anxiety too big, and my fear and delusions crippling as well and more and more. Only way to fix me would be to rewrite my own person from scratch, something rather trivial.

But if I could get a therapist and stuff/help without investing a kidney for just the hope/wish to get better then maybe I could think about it. Just see if there's something I haven't thought of or whatever, even if I doubt it. Then if time's up CTB here I come.
 
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If they would give a peaceful CTB then damn sure I would agree 100%. There's no losing in this proposition and 6 months isn't that long.
 
Final_Choice

Final_Choice

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Aug 3, 2023
543
It's an idea I also had when I got more into the mental health industry as a crisis counselor volunteer, but ultimately one that's not completely realistic considering the costs to put towards all suicidal patients for 6 months straight, the fact that they'd be willingly allowing CTB which may go against their code of conduct or whatever, 6 months may not be enough to actually help someone, conflictions with the current mental health system (as dumb as it may be), and plenty of other reasons. Overall, if the rules of how mental health services are established and used is around the patient it might be better, but usually it's based on how well any implementations of mental health can positively contribute to society in some way, without explicitly caring about the individual.
 
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daisymayhem

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I was kind of curious where everyone's thoughts on mental health service reform is at. If anyone has any suggestions or criticisms feel free to vote and discuss What your ideas might be.


Just a brief history where we're at so far. The argument that mental health services are failing is based off the fact suicide is a leading cause of death for people under 35. Even more so for males 20 to 35 being a particularly affected demographic.

Common Treatment at the moment consists of offering you:

A therapist which essentially equates to someone that you can talk to for one hour a week.

A psychiatrist that you meet with for 20 to 30 minutes a few times a year and they prescribe you medication.


If either of the two above methods fail and you tell someone that you want to harm yourself. Anyone can file a petition to have police officers hunt you down and take you to the hospital where it will be decided if you should be admitted to a psych ward.

A lot of the time therapist and psychiatrist trigger this simply because they are scared of liability And losing their job.

If anyone's unaware psych words are a type of dormitory housing usually between 16 and 40 people. All of which have been deemed to be a danger to themselves by the powers that be. This really isn't considered a treatment facility although they might have some aspects of it. A psychiatrist that comes in once or twice a week to prescribe meds or they have a group for people to attend.

The average day is about five to seven days although I've stayed in a psych ward for an entire month before. They need to release you to a "safe place" With a so called "Safety plan". To be honest these are all just nice sounding words. The time I spent a month in a psych ward I asked them to Discharge me to my car because I was homeless they said my car wasn't a "safe place". Things went on like that for a month until they needed to get rid of me and rotate new patients in and they finally agreed to discharge me to my car.


The business of providing psychiatric beds in psych words as they call them is pretty large. They have a pretty standard model for how these facilities should be run. After you get admitted to one of these facilities they ask insurance or public aid How long they're going to pay to keep you in one of their psychiatric beds at their facility. After they no longer get money to keep you there they're very quick to cycle in the next patient.

These Psych wards Have literally created a business opportunity out of farming some of the most disadvantaged people. These places charge hundreds of dollars per day to shove you in a room with two to four other people and provide you with the bare minimum basic necessities. It depends on the facility of course and I've heard of places that charge $1500-$2000 per day. Although even charging someone $500 per day is insane.

If you're ever wondering why Mental health is absolutely broken and suicide rates are through the roof, These scumbags running psych wards are part of the issue. To be honest it's hard for me to talk about without getting angry they take advantage of the most desperate down on your luck people.


I know that there is some minority of people where you need to confine them Because they're so uncontrollable but there's no way that that should be the normal operating procedure. Tossing people into these facilities and using the strategy of "Culture shock" Surrounding them with other people who also want to die doesn't seem like a good long term strategy. At least if other patients provide free counseling to the other patients in the psych ward they don't have to pay for it and it saves the shareholders some money.



I have a radical idea Maybe instead of Throwing people in these psych wards with other people that have mental health struggles. When someone wants to end their life we surround them with a team of professionals? Professionals that actually want to solve and address any grievances that you're currently having in life and see if there's any way to expedite and fix things.
If they can't fix what issues you have going on in 6 months then they will provide you with a way to Exit out of this world and die. Six months gives a significant amount of time pressure for people to really address what issues you're having.


I know there's a fair share number of you that think 6 months is way too much time To wait for solutions but I think it's more on the aggressive side In terms of a time limit. You have to understand I'm trying to think of ways where the average person would be able to digest "Right to die" concepts a little bit easier. They're legitimately going to initially want Five years or even longer.

You of course can always argue about the duration of time being too long or too short and it's always open to interpretation. Anyway I hope I was able to condense things down to a digestible level and I'm interested to hear what anyone's thoughts are. Mental health treatment has been something that's caused me a tremendous amount of suffering over the course of my life And it seems evident to me at least that the system is in dire need of reform.

Particularly with stripping away the current model of profit incentives and I don't mean that there couldn't be any profit for businesses to help people I'm specifically talking about The way things are handled now. After insurance stops paying or they argue for a lesser amount, psychiatric hospitals quickly cycle in a new person waiting for a psychiatric bed.
Speaking as someone who's been in "The system" for over 40 years ive seen the changes. Years ago a psychiatrist/ mental health worker would talk to you, as in really talk to you, now I think with everyone sueing each other and where there's blame there's a claim, they are now scared of talking honestly to you. For the last 6 years I've been more or less totally unsupported for the first time in many years. I'm tired and want out but I'm scared of getting it wrong. I have cptsd,panic disorder, and a few physical issues, I also have a severe form of SAD which has me climbing the walls suicidal from october to february i really struggle and the only thing that stops me is fear of getting it wrong. Even when I'm in a good phase through summer,I still want to die. I'm tired. If someone said to me give us 6 months to try to help you and if we fail we promise to help you on your way with dignity,respect and a guaranteed peaceful ending I would jump at it. Nobody should be forced to live in misery and pain when all else has failed. It's wrong and cruel.
 
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DoneWithThisLife

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If the painless option to die after 6 months of no success was guaranteed, then yes, I would agree to it.

I do not find that many downsides to having to wait in a mental facility for just half a year. And it would have a lot of upsides, too, like having a painless option to die, compared to not having one at all currently in my country, or to having to travel half across the globe to find such an option.
I couldn't agree more. Mental health wards are not the best places but hey, play along with the therapies, take the meds then after 6 months tell them it didn't work for you.
 
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enduringwinter

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Jun 20, 2024
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Yeah they can give me citizenship status so I can exist.

PS good idea OP, we all think we're unique but for problem solving sake we can absolutely be categorised and addressed pretty simply. Society just has to care enough
 
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Feb 10, 2020
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Jokes aside, I would probably not want to let society try to fix me because trying to would be such a massive waste of time and resources. Even if they'd be successful I'm still absolutely not worthy of any help that could be provided.

Although I guess if it was 100% guaranteed to work I would probably try out of selfishness even if I don't deserve it and even though I know that even if I'm fixed, I would still end up as a burden for innocent people who shouldn't be forgiven.
 
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avalonisburning

I've got spurs that jingle, jangle, jingle
May 12, 2024
92
Nah. I wouldn't care if one day all of society decided it felt bad and wanted to fix me. I am not broken. I don't want its help. If society wants to do something good and show me it's changed, it will accept that it doesn't know better than me, get out of my way and let me do what I need to do, and instead use whatever support and resources it wanted to waste on me to assist the people I'm leaving behind. You only get one chance to make a good first impression in a relationship, and you can extrapolate how well that one chance went based on how I'm talking right now.
 
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brokeandbroken

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Apr 18, 2023
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I was kind of curious where everyone's thoughts on mental health service reform is at. If anyone has any suggestions or criticisms feel free to vote and discuss What your ideas might be.


Just a brief history where we're at so far. The argument that mental health services are failing is based off the fact suicide is a leading cause of death for people under 35. Even more so for males 20 to 35 being a particularly affected demographic.

Common Treatment at the moment consists of offering you:

A therapist which essentially equates to someone that you can talk to for one hour a week.

A psychiatrist that you meet with for 20 to 30 minutes a few times a year and they prescribe you medication.


If either of the two above methods fail and you tell someone that you want to harm yourself. Anyone can file a petition to have police officers hunt you down and take you to the hospital where it will be decided if you should be admitted to a psych ward.

A lot of the time therapist and psychiatrist trigger this simply because they are scared of liability And losing their job.

If anyone's unaware psych words are a type of dormitory housing usually between 16 and 40 people. All of which have been deemed to be a danger to themselves by the powers that be. This really isn't considered a treatment facility although they might have some aspects of it. A psychiatrist that comes in once or twice a week to prescribe meds or they have a group for people to attend.

The average day is about five to seven days although I've stayed in a psych ward for an entire month before. They need to release you to a "safe place" With a so called "Safety plan". To be honest these are all just nice sounding words. The time I spent a month in a psych ward I asked them to Discharge me to my car because I was homeless they said my car wasn't a "safe place". Things went on like that for a month until they needed to get rid of me and rotate new patients in and they finally agreed to discharge me to my car.


The business of providing psychiatric beds in psych words as they call them is pretty large. They have a pretty standard model for how these facilities should be run. After you get admitted to one of these facilities they ask insurance or public aid How long they're going to pay to keep you in one of their psychiatric beds at their facility. After they no longer get money to keep you there they're very quick to cycle in the next patient.

These Psych wards Have literally created a business opportunity out of farming some of the most disadvantaged people. These places charge hundreds of dollars per day to shove you in a room with two to four other people and provide you with the bare minimum basic necessities. It depends on the facility of course and I've heard of places that charge $1500-$2000 per day. Although even charging someone $500 per day is insane.

If you're ever wondering why Mental health is absolutely broken and suicide rates are through the roof, These scumbags running psych wards are part of the issue. To be honest it's hard for me to talk about without getting angry they take advantage of the most desperate down on your luck people.


I know that there is some minority of people where you need to confine them Because they're so uncontrollable but there's no way that that should be the normal operating procedure. Tossing people into these facilities and using the strategy of "Culture shock" Surrounding them with other people who also want to die doesn't seem like a good long term strategy. At least if other patients provide free counseling to the other patients in the psych ward they don't have to pay for it and it saves the shareholders some money.



I have a radical idea Maybe instead of Throwing people in these psych wards with other people that have mental health struggles. When someone wants to end their life we surround them with a team of professionals? Professionals that actually want to solve and address any grievances that you're currently having in life and see if there's any way to expedite and fix things.
If they can't fix what issues you have going on in 6 months then they will provide you with a way to Exit out of this world and die. Six months gives a significant amount of time pressure for people to really address what issues you're having.


I know there's a fair share number of you that think 6 months is way too much time To wait for solutions but I think it's more on the aggressive side In terms of a time limit. You have to understand I'm trying to think of ways where the average person would be able to digest "Right to die" concepts a little bit easier. They're legitimately going to initially want Five years or even longer.

You of course can always argue about the duration of time being too long or too short and it's always open to interpretation. Anyway I hope I was able to condense things down to a digestible level and I'm interested to hear what anyone's thoughts are. Mental health treatment has been something that's caused me a tremendous amount of suffering over the course of my life And it seems evident to me at least that the system is in dire need of reform.

Particularly with stripping away the current model of profit incentives and I don't mean that there couldn't be any profit for businesses to help people I'm specifically talking about The way things are handled now. After insurance stops paying or they argue for a lesser amount, psychiatric hospitals quickly cycle in a new person waiting for a psychiatric bed.
I've posted something very similar on this forum though I said a year. That said how do you know these professionals are going to care? I've been in and around mental health professionals for a while now as a patient. I have zero faith they give a shit. Hell I went to medical school. The staff, the students, etc... were some of the least caring people I've ever met and that's saying something. So I'm just not sure why we think people are going to care. In my experience most people let alone medical professionals just care about themselves.

Further my issues were I was the victim of crimes or Alternatively and less likely because I'd assume someone would've decided to tell me but I am wrong in that I am the victim of crimes and everyone I have reached out to has said otherwise. Let's assume someone would've said hey umm you are wrong for xyz and I was and I think there's pretty clear cut evidence for it. Do these "professionals" include a lawyer? Because unless my life is restored got to say there's nothing anyone can do.

That said if doing that leads to euthanasia yeah im all for it with some minor reservations or exclusions.
 
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Cress

Arcanist
Oct 15, 2023
411
Only if it meant I could decide after the six months- whether or not it had worked. I wouldn't want that assessment to be made by anyone else eg. a doctor or therapist. Also, only really if assisted suicide was contingent on accepting treatment. If there truly was a choice, I probably wouldn't bother and go straight for assisted suicide. I've already tried therapy, meds (briefly,) self help books, changes in lifestyle. I'm not terribly interested in trying to make my life work anymore.

I think a waiting period is important in relation to assisted suicide to prevent impulsive attempts. I also think that relevant support should be offered in that time period. I don't think assisted suicide should be contingent on accepting treatment but, if it was, I'd go along with it- so long as I could say it hadn't worked at the end.

What concerns me with the whole- getting treatment is how it's effectiveness would be assessed and, by whom. Will it be up to the individual to say- this isn't working and I don't want to try anymore? Or, will doctors/therapists still have all the power to say that a person's situation isn't bad enough to qualify for assisted suicide? That their treatments are working? That they feel confident that a new treatment will work? I don't see why they should be able to make those decisions for us. Basically- you haven't suffered enough yet! I need you to be a guinea pig for this new drug/treatment.

Ideally yeah it would be predicated on whether or not you thought They succeeded at the end of the six months.
I've posted something very similar on this forum though I said a year. That said how do you know these professionals are going to care? I've been in and around mental health professionals for a while now as a patient. I have zero faith they give a shit. Hell I went to medical school. The staff, the students, etc... were some of the least caring people I've ever met and that's saying something. So I'm just not sure why we think people are going to care. In my experience most people let alone medical professionals just care about themselves.

Further my issues were I was the victim of crimes or Alternatively and less likely because I'd assume someone would've decided to tell me but I am wrong in that I am the victim of crimes and everyone I have reached out to has said otherwise. Let's assume someone would've said hey umm you are wrong for xyz and I was and I think there's pretty clear cut evidence for it. Do these "professionals" include a lawyer? Because unless my life is restored got to say there's nothing anyone can do.

That said if doing that leads to euthanasia yeah im all for it with some minor reservations or exclusions.
Yeah it's just a thought experiment just to see where everyone's At on the subject. Obviously in a real world there's going to be people that go into a specific profession and end up not caring. However for the sake of the thought experiment let's say the majority of them do care and legitimately want to do their best to make sure that you are able to continue living at the end of the six months and any grievances that you have are solved.

Think about it more like this it would simply be a 6 month alert that you send out letting society know that you're unhappy and gonna take off in 6 months if concerns aren't addressed and if you don't feel like they've been addressed at the end of 6 months you'll be offered a way to catch the bus at the end. You can add all sorts of additional qualifications and stuff like that but in general that's the main idea of how it would probably be used.
 
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Yeah it's just a thought experiment just to see where everyone's At on the subject. Obviously in a real world there's going to be people that go into a specific profession and end up not caring. However for the sake of the thought experiment let's say the majority of them do care and legitimately want to do their best to make sure that you are able to continue living at the end of the six months and any grievances that you have are solved.

Think about it more like this it would simply be a 6 month alert that you send out letting society know that you're unhappy and gonna take off in 6 months if concerns aren't addressed and if you don't feel like they've been addressed at the end of 6 months you'll be offered a way to catch the bus at the end. You can add all sorts of additional qualifications and stuff like that but in general that's the main idea of how it would probably be use
Long as justice is served one way or another. I won't need professionals. I don't want or think I need medication. It doesn't do anything for me. I also don't want the negative side effects. I've already lost everything and even if it is returned I don't want to lose more. Yes I have tried meds and been to the psych ward for depression.

I don't believe in therapy. There's just no point in paying someone to hear you and not provide anything of substance. By definition most don't even provide solutions to problems. If I was going to pay someone to hear me I myswell hire a hooker least I will have a happy ending that way. I don't have much to say anyways honestly. Yes I have tried it. Didn't do anything for me.

Like I said I'd do it for the option at the end. But like giving carte blanche for treatment lends itself to issues though. Are people thrust into neuroleptics so they can't actually make decisions in full cognitive ability? What about ECT?

Look I don't know what it would be like to have people around me that care it's never happened before. I would probably be uncomfortable.
 
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Long as justice is served one way or another. I won't need professionals. I don't want or think I need medication. It doesn't do anything for me. I also don't want the negative side effects. I've already lost everything and even if it is returned I don't want to lose more. Yes I have tried meds and been to the psych ward for depression.

I don't believe in therapy. There's just no point in paying someone to hear you and not provide anything of substance. By definition most don't even provide solutions to problems. If I was going to pay someone to hear me I myswell hire a hooker least I will have a happy ending that way. I don't have much to say anyways honestly. Yes I have tried it. Didn't do anything for me.

Like I said I'd do it for the option at the end. But like giving carte blanche for treatment lends itself to issues though. Are people thrust into neuroleptics so they can't actually make decisions in full cognitive ability? What about ECT?

Look I don't know what it would be like to have people around me that care it's never happened before. I would probably be uncomfortable.

Yeah I guess I can understand your concerns with ECT or being lobotomized through medications. Ideally though we would be assuming it's the most charitable version so whatever you're not comfortable with doing simply won't be done. You can say you want to take off in six months and you don't think there's anything they can do for you.

I would think though in certain instances your friends and family would find out that you're leaving in 6 months and see what could be done. Really it's just an alert for society in general to see if we can correct some Your grievances before we finally let you go.

I can totally understand your concerns with being tricked in some way and dosed up on medications as that's kind of the way current mental health treatment has gone as it's really just the path of least resistance for them. However for the purpose of this thought experiment try to imagine everyone's acting in good faith.
 
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