Discussion Would going to a 'range' (where people go for target practice) be a dick-move? What's your opinion here?

[unperson]

Suicide isn't inherently selfish. But I supposed doing it in certain ways could be seen as a dick move. Ya know like at your sisters wedding, or by using that deadly item your father got you last Christmas..., or seppuku at the local grocery store or your ex's parents house on thanksgiving.

anyhow all this meticulous chemical-related planning-stuff, blegh, I like the idea of just going somewhere where everything i would need is provided for for the cost of whatever they charge at the local range. I got a long time to think about all kinds of silly options due to the contingency- & time-based nature of my predicament so just throwing around some ideas and inquiries.

 

[WornOutLife]

I've actually thought of doing this but I'm scary of things going wrong somehow and maybe hurting somebody! It shouldn't happen but I guess I just wanna ctb alone, isolated in a room.

 

[unperson]

Well, accidentally physically harming someone doesn't seem plausible if it's done with caution and not while intoxicated; but still, it might be mentally & emotionally disturbing to anyone who witnesses the scene.

I totally get the whole wanting to be alone in a room though, that would be poetic for me: dying how I lived, all alone in a room haha! xD

 

[greyhound]

Yeah I think it's a dick move. Some range owner posted about a suicide that occurred there with a rented gun. They had to pay for the entire cost of the biohazard cleanup which was $4000 if I recall.

 

[LastFlowers]

Yeah I think it's a dick move. Some range owner posted about a suicide that occurred there with a rented gun. They had to pay for the entire cost of the biohazard cleanup which was $4000 if I recall.

A lot of gun aficionados also tend to be the "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" type, so they are already looking for an excuse to publicly berate the openly suicidal, costing them money is just another reason-in their minds-to call you a selfish asshole and every other name in the book, while crying for pity towards themselves and their inconvenience.
I've seen it happen when it's brought up on other forums and platforms.
I think they're beyond wrong and deserve to have their mouths sewn shut-unless they are willing to lobby for a better solution so that desperate people don't have to resort to this method and setting.
They are hypocrites who are worried about the hits to their own pocket and feign concern about their other customers who were "emotionally traumatized".
To me, if they actually cared about that sort of thing, they would not be so apathetic to the suffering of the person who shot themselves.

 

[unperson]

Yeah I think it's a dick move. Some range owner posted about a suicide that occurred there with a rented gun. They had to pay for the entire cost of the biohazard cleanup which was $4000 if I recall.

Holy shit that's an expensive suicide!

 

[Rayzieka]

Holy shit that's an expensive suicide!

Unfortunately, it seems most suicides will rack up a price for someone in some way or another. From burial to any other kind of clean up- someone must be paying for it.

 

[poisonedminds]

i always fantasized about suicide as a political statement lol

 

[unperson]

A lot of gun aficionados also tend to be the "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" type, so they are already looking for an excuse to publicly berate the openly suicidal, costing them money is just another reason-in their minds-to call you a selfish asshole and every other name in the book, while crying for pity towards themselves and their inconvenience.
I've seen it happen when it's brought up on other forums and platforms.
I think they're beyond wrong and deserve to have their mouths sewn shut-unless they are willing to lobby for a better solution so that desperate people don't have to resort to this method and setting.
They are hypocrites who are worried about the hits to their own pocket and feign concern about their other customers who were "emotionally traumatized".
To me, if they actually cared about that sort of thing, they would not be so apathetic to the suffering of the person who shot themselves.

Basically some people gunna judge the shit outa you no matter what you do or what your struggles may be.

might as well be shameless and unapologetic in whatever decision one makes is the conclusion I've arrived at

(of course it's probably different when it comes to loved ones... ya know for people who have that lol)

i always fantasized about suicide as a political statement lol

Yeah I admire the fucking tenacity of publicly self-immolating buddhist monks; no way I could handle that level of physical pain!

 

[greyhound]

A lot of gun aficionados also tend to be the "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" type, so they are already looking for an excuse to publicly berate the openly suicidal, costing them money is just another reason-in their minds-to call you a selfish asshole and every other name in the book, while crying for pity towards themselves and their inconvenience.
I've seen it happen when it's brought up on other forums and platforms.
I think they're beyond wrong and deserve to have their mouths sewn shut-unless they are willing to lobby for a better solution so that desperate people don't have to resort to this method and setting.
They are hypocrites who are worried about the hits to their own pocket and feign concern about their other customers who were "emotionally traumatized".
To me, if they actually cared about that sort of thing, they would not be so apathetic to the suffering of the person who shot themselves.

This seems a bit much. At the end of the day it's a small business owner that had to A) watch someone shoot themself and B) pay out of pocket for the cleanup expense. I don't think it's unreasonable that they would be pretty upset afterwards. I don't think it's fair to say that gun range owners are responsible for lobbying for a solution to the suicide problem or need to have their mouths sewn shut. It's more like why couldn't the person committing suicide just pony up a few hundred $ to buy a gun and not impose the cost of their death on random strangers.

At the end of the day it's up to the suicidal person to try to minimize the burden of their deaths. This type of suicide is only one step above murder / suicides in my book. Are you going to start defending them and say it's on the victims families for not lobbying for a better solution?

 

[unperson]

This seems a bit much. At the end of the day it's a small business owner that had to A) watch someone shoot themself and B) pay out of pocket for the cleanup expense. I don't think it's unreasonable that they would be pretty upset afterwards. I don't think it's fair to say that gun range owners are responsible for lobbying for a solution to the suicide problem or need to have their mouths sewn shut. It's more like why couldn't the person committing suicide just pony up a few hundred $ to buy a gun and not impose the cost of their death on random strangers.

At the end of the day it's up to the suicidal person to try to minimize the burden of their deaths. This type of suicide is only one step above murder / suicides in my book. Are you going to start defending them and say it's on the victims families for not lobbying for a better solution?

All good points. I think it's hard to consider these things sometimes when there's a lot of built up frustration from constantly being judged, criticized, and invalidated from so many people; but the fact is that it's distorted thinking to start making generalizations and assumptions even if they might often be true.

I feel like I understand both sides because of a lot of difficulties but also a lot of therapy. In my selfish fantasizing it's really just the thought of 'oh, idk if I want to go through all the extra legal steps of acquiring one when (admittedly my memory is fuzzy on the legality since I've never looked too far into it) it's less work to just go to a range—nonetheless, I know that a lot of people that go there are not typical nuts, but sometimes people who are scared and want to be able to protect themselves in there own home, like perhaps a single mother who has a creepy stalker in her life, and then imagine while she's doing target practice—which already makes her uncomfortable to begin with because perhaps she's never been comfortable with firearms and maybe prior to having a child she used to have suicidal thoughts, making her even more cautious about ever owning one; until of course some weird dude who picks up his autistic daughters psych meds at the pharmacy where this frightened early-twenties-aged single mother works started hitting on her awkwardly and then terrifying her by picking up the meds right before the pharmacy closes and sitting in is car until she clocks out so that he can shamelessly & ominously stare at her as she walks through the parking lot to her car, etc—so anyway she's just doing some target practice for the first time and the depressed mufuker next to her fuckin offs himself which is emotionally traumatizing for this poor woman who ends up finding this to be the straw that breaks her; leading to sleepless nights and the development of acute paranoid psychosis–

anyway you get the point. Wouldn't be cool to traumatize people I guess

 

[the_final_countdown]

Many gun ranges have rules preventing this. Only being able to go in pairs and access to weaker weapons and bullets for example.

 

[unperson]

Many gun ranges have rules preventing this. Only being able to go in pairs and access to weaker weapons and bullets for example.

Dicks! Jk haha

 

[the_final_countdown]

Yes otherwise I would've gone to the local gun range and ended my life a while ago.

I don't want anybody else to come with me.

They're quite strict with that rule. It's frustrating.

 

[readyforsleep]

seppuku at the local grocery store

I mean, I think that would be pretty fucking impressive if it were actually pulled off

 

[summers]

Renting a gun, range time, and ammo is going to be at least $100. For $150-$200, you can get a 12gauge, highpoint 40, 10mm or 45, a box of slugs or hp ammo, and take care of this yourself, in a much more controlled environment.

The range is super risky. They have cameras on each lane. As soon as someone sees you put the gun near your face, staff will be in there in a second.

 

[Pentobarbital_Plz]

i always fantasized about suicide as a political statement lol

Yeah! Fuck the establishment! You can't hold me in your cage!

 

[makethepainstop]

i always fantasized about suicide as a political statement lol

A stronger statement cannot be made. But how would you make your grievances known? Bang! The news would probably spin it, that you were a friend of senator so and so, and that you and the senators son or daughter had a lovers spat! And that your death had nothing to do with politics.

 

[UtopianElephant]

Renting a gun, range time, and ammo is going to be at least $100. For $150-$200, you can get a 12gauge, highpoint 40, 10mm or 45, a box of slugs or hp ammo, and take care of this yourself, in a much more controlled environment.

The range is super risky. They have cameras on each lane. As soon as someone sees you put the gun near your face, staff will be in there in a second.

Excellent point, I second this. Even if it is possible at some US ranges to show up by yourself and rent a selection of handguns or long guns, the environment is not suited for your control. Fumbling with the barrel of a long gun, deciding how and where to rest the fire arm is unrealistic and a recipe for disaster. Even if you are alone there, the range staff could thwart your attempt in several ways within seconds.

It's only worth considering if it is possible to rent fairly powerful handguns at the range and do it alone. Even then, it is risky, because you have to be in the mindset to point it at yourself and use it within a couple of seconds, and if any range person is close by, it's not worth it.

However, I think all of these points are moot, because most ranges in the country require two people to show up at the range in order to rent weapons and ammo. If anyone has knowledge and experience about this, feel free to comment.

Edit; summers, what did you mean when you said "For $150-$200, you can get a 12gauge, highpoint 40, 10mm or 45, a box of slugs or hp ammo, and take care of this yourself, in a much more controlled environment."?