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littlelungs

littlelungs

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Oct 21, 2018
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Do plants consent to vegan depredations? Or are we using the "they didn't say no" definition?
I don't want to derail the thread too much, and I know you weren't talking to me, but:

No, plants don't consent to vegan "depredations" because they can't. They may be alive, but they are not sentient. No central nervous system, no pain receptors, no ability to care. I think we can at least agree that cutting a carrot isn't the same thing as cutting a person or non-human animal.

It seems that people only care about plants having feelings or what plants want once veganism comes up. :ahhha:
 
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Midgardsorm

Midgardsorm

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Apr 28, 2020
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I don't want to derail the thread too much, and I know you weren't talking to me, but:

No, plants don't consent to vegan "depredations" because they can't. They may be alive, but they are not sentient. No central nervous system, no pain receptors, no ability to care. I think we can at least agree that cutting a carrot isn't the same thing as cutting a person or non-human animal.

It seems that people only care about plants having feelings or what plants want once veganism comes up. :ahhha:

You're evil.

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grungeCat

grungeCat

Awkward & weird
Jul 5, 2020
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Why are there so many people who judges op so proudly...

We are all weird in our own way. We are here to support each other, not to make others feel guilty because of their inner desires. This forum was supposed to be a place where you can share your deep thoughts without worrying about being laughed at. As long as you do not want to hurt others. That's quite sad to look at all these comments ridiculing op...
Ignore the people jumping to judge you for asking your question. They're responding in a way society has taught them is 'correct'. I've long stopped thinking along lines of societal norms [like you :)] and it's a valid question.
Exactly! This is a problem inside our little community... we should abondon societal norms, we are not like normies.

Honestly, you got a point. This is absolutely out of societal schemes and to be honest I have never wondered about this. If people ate dead people instead of burying them then it would surely help to reduce world famine. On the other hand there are cultural factors which make a lot of people think it's something unethical. It would require a large social advertisement and a bunch of generations to put thorugh such an idea.
 
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Midgardsorm

Midgardsorm

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Apr 28, 2020
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Why are there so many people who judges op so proudly...

We are all weird in our own way. We are here to support each other, not to make others feel guilty because of their inner desires. This forum was supposed to be a place where you can share your deep thoughts without worrying about being laughed at. As long as you do not want to hurt others. That's quite sad to look at all these comments ridiculing op...

Exactly! This is a problem inside our little community... we should abondon societal norms, we are not like normies.

Honestly, you got a point. This is absolutely out of societal schemes and to be honest I have never wondered about this. If people ate dead people instead of burying them then it would surely help to reduce world famine. On the other hand there are cultural factors which make a lot of people think it's something unethical. It would require a large social advertisement and a bunch of generations to put thorugh such an idea.

I saw the others joking and I thought the same, but sometimes a little joke might do no harm. Especially considering our heavy polluted brains towards the common relation between "Eat" and "Sex".

The only problem is that I noticed that the op didn't reply yet, so it kinda disturbs me.
I don't think anyone had the intention of mocking, just joked around.
But if I may, on behalf of
the others. I apologize deeply for the jokes.

I know it's a valid question, but suicide isn't well accepted by society, if you add cannibalism we have a double problem.
That's not gonna work.

Also, even being nutritional, our bodies takes a very long time to adapt to human meat. It works in cases of desperation such as the survivors from the "Miracle Flight 57" but as a daily meal would cause more harm than good, at least for a while. (I think)
 
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fox_wannabe

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Eating humans cause prion disease actually.
 
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Midgardsorm

Midgardsorm

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Apr 28, 2020
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Eating humans cause prion disease actually.

I didn't knew that. I'll search what prion.

Prion are 100% deadly and I think the last one was the bovine prion or something like that.

Edit: Oh it's Kuru, someone had posted.
 
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oliviahurts

guess I'm paralyzed now
Sep 13, 2021
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I didn't knew that. I'll search what prion.

Prion are 100% deadly and I think the last one was the bovine prion or something like that.

This was posted on page 1. My understanding from reading the wiki page was that the pirons were spread by consumption which caused premature death resulting in the tribe continuing to eat the pirons and the disease spreading.
Cannibalism also can cause Kuru disease.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru_(disease)
 
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Gustav Hartmann

Gustav Hartmann

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Aug 28, 2021
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Probably a good way to overcome the fear of death. As fear of death becomes the stronger the closer the date of the planned death comes an early point of no return would be helpful. When you give yourself in your killers hands would be the point of no return. Of course it is more fun if you are an extreme masochist.

It seems to me very intolerant and self-righteous to distinguish between good and bad reasons for suicide. Depressions are as insane as extreme masochism and the latter is definitively not curable.
 
Marktheghost

Marktheghost

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Feb 20, 2020
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Why are people shocked at the thought of a human eating a human, and yet think nothing of a human eating a cow, or a lion eating a human?
 
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fox_wannabe

fox_wannabe

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Why are people shocked at the thought of a human eating a human, and yet think nothing of a human eating a cow, or a lion eating a human?
I rather be eaten by lion tbh. Provided he would bite my neck and kill me really fast
 
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Disco Biscuit

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Mar 1, 2020
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Why are people shocked at the thought of a human eating a human, and yet think nothing of a human eating a cow, or a lion eating a human?

Cannibalism - human or animals eating the same species - leads to diseases. There's a reason why we're programmed to be repulsed by it.

"Diseases often have trouble jumping from one species to another. The closer related to you your food is (evolution wise) the smaller the gap the disease needs to jump. This is why eating bushmeat from apes is more risky than eating some less closely related animals.

The above is true especially for viruses. Parasites are another problem. One thing that has been big in the news are prions.

Prions aren't really living things at all. They are just certain types of proteins which cause the proteins inside of you to become like them by their mere presence. In particular the prions everyone is worried about are ones that are inside your brain and nerves. If you eat another humans brain who has such a prion disease you will become infected yourself.

Normally this is not such a big deal as people aren't in the habit of eating each others brains.

However in cultures where cannibalism was practiced, such disease can become a problem. One example is Kuru also called the laughing diseases which used to be found among cannibals in places like New Guinea.

Another example is mad cow diseases which became a problem when people got into the habit of feeding cows the remains (including brains) of other cows.

In fact mad cow became such a big problem that enough cows with it ended up in the food chain to possibly infect humans despite the species gap. Creutzfel-Jacobs is what the disease is called that many think is what happened if you eat cannibalistic cow brains.

Kuru is a type of prion disease causing spongiform encepalopathy (literally bits of your brain die off until it looks like a sponge with holes in it everywhere). We're not exactly 100 percent on the causes and exact chain of events caused by prion diseases, but I'll give you a rundown of the most likely scenario. Transmissible spongiform encepalopathies (TSEs) aren't carried by bacteria or viruses - they are essentially a disease caused by the misfolding of a certain protein. This is bad because protein shapes are vitally important to their function; if they misfold, they don't work. What happens is this - by eating the brain matter of an infected person, the victim also ingests the misfolded protein. Here comes the bad part - this misfolded protein comes into contact with and triggers the misfolding of the victim's normally folded proteins. This causes a cascade of misfolding proteins and eventually large scale tissue death (the brain-looks-like-a-sponge part)."

Anyway, I don't think you made this post because you believe that eating human flesh is morally equivalent to eating animals - you're just trying to be controversial for the attention.
 
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Rogue Proxy

Rogue Proxy

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Why are people shocked at the thought of a human eating a human, and yet think nothing of a human eating a cow, or a lion eating a human?
One the main reasons is anthropocentrism. Humans are prodigiously arrogant about being the most superior beings on Earth. Coupled with taboos and laws against killing humans, they have become highly complacent from the supposedly slim chances of being hunted or consumed. Another related reason involves how they desperately cling onto the narratives of them being morally and ethically supreme. This in turn, also motivates them into strongly bonding, trusting, serving, and obeying members of their own species, particularly those within their in-group(s), and especially those of higher ranks. This cringeworthily ignorant and mawkish quote by Anne Frank illustrates these beliefs: "Despite everything, I believe that people are really good at heart." In other words, humans are unable and more importantly, unwilling to recognize and accept how destructive, lethal, and cruel they truly are. Every murder, especially cannibalism, easily bursts their fragile, mollycoddled, and bloated egos.
 
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motel rooms

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Apr 13, 2021
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It would even be romantic wouldn't it? Whoever ate me would have me inside them, and I'd quite literally have become part of them.

If you're a man, send me some dick pics & I might decide to eat you & you'll literally becum a part of me. Yes, it would be very romantic.
 
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ChobaniFlipSmores

ChobaniFlipSmores

Hakuna matata?
Jul 28, 2021
174
You guys are right we shouldn't judge... but maybe we could find someone who can.
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xLosthopex

xLosthopex

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May 29, 2020
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I don't want to derail the thread too much, and I know you weren't talking to me, but:

No, plants don't consent to vegan "depredations" because they can't. They may be alive, but they are not sentient. No central nervous system, no pain receptors, no ability to care. I think we can at least agree that cutting a carrot isn't the same thing as cutting a person or non-human animal.

It seems that people only care about plants having feelings or what plants want once veganism comes up. :ahhha:
This. Also, how come these people only seem to care about the plants vegans eat(as if they don't also eat plants lol) but ignore all of the plants needed to feed to the 70 billion 'livestock' being unnecessarily raised and slaughtered for THEIR 'food'…
 
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edu0z

edu0z

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Aug 25, 2021
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the guy was probably feeling like a piece of shit when he wrote that. And you all go and laugh at him. I'm no one to judge, and I don't have fetishes either... You could have simply told him that this is not the right place for that or to go to a psychologist. But if I put myself in the boy's shoes: everyone laughing at me for something I said sincerely in a forum where I hoped people would understand me... it seems that as children you were not very popular in school and now you feel the need to embarrass each person who thinks differently in order to feel better about yourself.


Good job!
 
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hopelessgirl

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Oct 12, 2021
505
Why are people shocked at the thought of a human eating a human, and yet think nothing of a human eating a cow, or a lion eating a human?
Couldn't agree more.
the guy was probably feeling like a piece of shit when he wrote that. And you all go and laugh at him. I'm no one to judge, and I don't have fetishes either... You could have simply told him that this is not the right place for that or to go to a psychologist. But if I put myself in the boy's shoes: everyone laughing at me for something I said sincerely in a forum where I hoped people would understand me... it seems that as children you were not very popular in school and now you feel the need to embarrass each person who thinks differently in order to feel better about yourself.


Good job!
It might not even be a fetish, but rather a rhetorical text or philosophical "idea". Like for example, I would prefer someone murdering me than to have to live to an old age. I would also prefer becoming a "room" in a house, or a furniture, just sitting there, not having to do any daily tasks like feeding myself and cooking. These are just ideas, thoughts.. Not something that I would actually do. But I love thinking about weird images/metaphors like this, because it helps me express what makes life so miserable.
 
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ChobaniFlipSmores

Hakuna matata?
Jul 28, 2021
174
Why are people shocked at the thought of a human eating a human, and yet think nothing of a human eating a cow, or a lion eating a human?
Honestly, I think it's more about understanding if the OP is being serious or not. We live in an internet age where trolling is common place and since the request is extremely unconventional, I think a lot of the posters feel it's more likely to be not a real request than something actually desired.
 
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motel rooms

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru_(disease)

Kuru is a rare, incurable and fatal neurodegenerative disorder that was formerly common among the Fore people of Papua New Guinea. Kuru is a form of transmissible spongiform encephalopathy (TSE) caused by the transmission of abnormally folded proteins (prions), which leads to symptoms such as tremors and loss of coordination from neurodegeneration.

Kuru was transmitted among members of the Fore tribe of Papua New Guinea via funerary cannibalism.

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Midgardsorm

Midgardsorm

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Please, friends ...


So one of the things it could be possible it would be donating the body for a wild animal in captivity.

However, although wild, we usually want to teach those animals to avoid human meat.
They are seen ( and harmed ) by humans every time so they usually tend to behave themselves in order to prevent more harm.

Giving human flesh would change that and makes them agreesive towards human. Which it would cause trouble.
 
littlelungs

littlelungs

Wizard
Oct 21, 2018
646
This. Also, how come these people only seem to care about the plants vegans eat(as if they don't also eat plants lol) but ignore all of the plants needed to feed to the 70 billion 'livestock' being unnecessarily raised and slaughtered for THEIR 'food'…
Totally. It takes up to ~16kg of plants to create 1kg of animal flesh, meaning far more plants are "killed" in the production of animal products than they are vegan products. It's also worth noting that 91% of the Amazon rainforest destruction is due to animal agriculture, meaning that millions of trees continue to be "slaughtered" because of the consumption of animal products. So, if someone genuinely believes that plants are sentient and feel pain, it would still make more sense to be vegan in order to reduce the overall amount of "plant casualties".

This is usually when the classic "soy farming", "crop deaths", "veganism isn't perfect" (nobody said it was) and/or "humane slaughter" arguments come up, or when someone gives up and tells me that they're going to go eat a big, juicy steak/burger/tenderloin... like, yeah, you sure showed ME! :))

I've been around the block a few times, lol.
 
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odradek

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I appreciate people trying to be sympathetic or engage philosophically with this guy but I feel it's misguided here. Mockery does serve a purpose at times, it's better then some of the other things that could be said. This is an obviously inflammatory post. Yet OP just posted it and disappeared for a day. He should have expected nothing less if he wasn't going to be around to answer for himself. I'm not going to try and rationalise against cannibalism. (Sigh) Yes everyone deserves sympathy however it must be within reason. Also OP has barely interacted with anything in here so his sincerity is somewhat dubious.

If you want to be cannibals and break "societal norms" by all means do so. Just don't act defensive or suprised when even your fellow suicidals call you out for being ridiculous. Just because I'm mental doesn't mean I can't call other things out for being mental. I don't think this guy was doing anything else except wanting to get a rise out of people. Congratulations sir, you have succeeded beyond your wildest dreams. Eat this up.
 
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restforeternity

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Feb 17, 2019
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You're better off venturing to Papua New Guinea or like the Ganges river of India. Maybe somewhere you might meet someone like Jefferey Dahmer then you'd have your wishes fulfilled. Good luck!
 
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Makko

Makko

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Jan 17, 2021
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru_(disease)

Kuru is a rare, incurable and fatal neurodegenerative disorder that was formerly common among the Fore people of Papua New Guinea. Kuru is a form of transmissible spongiform encephalopathy (TSE) caused by the transmission of abnormally folded proteins (prions), which leads to symptoms such as tremors and loss of coordination from neurodegeneration.

Kuru was transmitted among members of the Fore tribe of Papua New Guinea via funerary cannibalism.

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That's because they ate brains.
 
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