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Secrets1

Secrets1

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Nov 18, 2019
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I don't know how to separate myself from my circumstances compared to a normie. They're 2 for 1 and the circumstances are a sum of life experience.

Plop them into my shoes now with their own mind and physical illness which has exacerbated mental illness and taken away opportunities… maybe, depends on their ego and value system.

There is one main difference now than in my past. Previously the desire to CTB was suppressed by the hope of attaining certain life experiences or a trajectory in the future. Now it's simply fear of karma, reincarnation and having to go through much of the same shit again. I'm praying for a naturally terminal illness so I can take my N with more justification, leave peacefully and not fuck with greater forces. That perspective will bring no good karma but maybe open up options for a future life by purging the bad.

Disclaimer: Beliefs subject to change in 3 hours. -Your friend BPD
 
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killedbypsychiatry

killedbypsychiatry

drugging kids is abuse
Jan 27, 2021
797
yes definitely, most people with pssd / akathisia/ benzo/ ssri injury have suicidal ideation, and unfortunately many have already died because of it :(
 
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lovelyheartz

lovelyheartz

Let me leave, please, please...
Jun 15, 2021
43
They probably would have.
 
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boc

Experienced
May 19, 2021
252
No. I have an objectively good and fortunate life. But my focus on perfection and attainment leaves me in a constant state of deep insatisfaction and depression.
 
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littlelungs

littlelungs

Wizard
Oct 21, 2018
646
I think they would. To name a few:

- I have a chronic illness (MECFS) that makes basic survival a full-time job, and there's no known cure for it yet. There's still a huge stigma attached to it and most people don't understand it. My husband is likewise severely chronically ill with the same thing.
- My childhood was messed right up and full of every kind of abuse and violation you could imagine. I genuinely wish that I was exaggerating.
- I have a permanent spinal injury (see: messed up childhood) that leaves me in constant pain.
- As far as mental illness goes, I've been diagnosed with PTSD, BPD, bipolar 2, GAD and MDD. I've destroyed a lot of interpersonal relationships throughout the years as a consequence of my actions stemming from these illnesses.
- I have so many passions and things that I want to do, but until there's a cure for this hell of a chronic illness, all I can really do is stay in bed and watch the world move on without me. Just a tiny bit of overexertion (especially from going out into the world, where everything is loud and bright) can leave me completely bedridden.
- The only person in my life who can help both my husband and me with practical stuff (like grocery shopping, etc) has narcissistic tendencies which makes lots of things more difficult than they need to be. The rest of my family lives on the other side of the world.

This isn't to say that I don't also currently have good things in my life, by any means. I have a pretty small inner circle, but I know that I'm loved dearly by everyone who is in it. My husband is an absolute gift – I love him so much that my heart feels like it's going to burst, and I've never felt so unconditionally loved in return, and this love only continues to grow. My parents would do anything for me. I'm so proud of the young adults my siblings are becoming. I'm not ugly, I'd say I'm pretty likeable and I get along with just about everyone I meet. I'm still somewhat able to express my passions from bed... definitely not to the extent that I want to, but it's still doable to a certain point.

But the good obviously doesn't take away the bad, and the bad can get really, REALLY bad – unbearably bad – and it makes me wonder if the good is actually worth it, when I suffer massively just as a baseline, and when it's been that way for most of my life. I don't even necessarily want to die, but if this is how it's going to be for the rest of my life, with no sign of improvements, then I really just want nothing to do with it. I guess time will tell, but I'm also not gonna wait "forever".

Long answer, but yeah... I think the "average" person would have had enough a LONG time ago.
 
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LastFlowers

LastFlowers

the haru that can read
Apr 27, 2019
2,170
You would have to define the average person (are we defining people by their inherent brain function or their circumstances that led to mental distress?), but I have been in contact with people before with only one of my various problems who were suicidal or ended their lives over it, even if they led otherwise average or even successful lives before hand.
At the point I am at, with so much compounded, I think yes, a good majority of people would ctb in my place and at the very least, would be bent out of shape over it. They might say they wouldn't be, so long as they're outside of my shoes, but once they shoved their feet in, they would be desperate for any escape available to them.
I think they would. To name a few:

- I have a chronic illness (MECFS) that makes basic survival a full-time job, and there's no known cure for it yet. There's still a huge stigma attached to it and most people don't understand it. My husband is likewise severely chronically ill with the same thing.
- My childhood was messed right up and full of every kind of abuse and violation you could imagine. I genuinely wish that I was exaggerating.
- I have a permanent spinal injury (see: messed up childhood) that leaves me in constant pain.
- As far as mental illness goes, I've been diagnosed with PTSD, BPD, bipolar 2, GAD and MDD. I've destroyed a lot of interpersonal relationships throughout the years as a consequence of my actions stemming from these illnesses.
- I have so many passions and things that I want to do, but until there's a cure for this hell of a chronic illness, all I can really do is stay in bed and watch the world move on without me. Just a tiny bit of overexertion (especially from going out into the world, where everything is loud and bright) can leave me completely bedridden.
- The only person in my life who can help both my husband and me with practical stuff (like grocery shopping, etc) has narcissistic tendencies which makes lots of things more difficult than they need to be. The rest of my family lives on the other side of the world.

This isn't to say that I don't also currently have good things in my life, by any means. I have a pretty small inner circle, but I know that I'm loved dearly by everyone who is in it. My husband is an absolute gift – I love him so much that my heart feels like it's going to burst, and I've never felt so unconditionally loved in return, and this love only continues to grow. My parents would do anything for me. I'm so proud of the young adults my siblings are becoming. I'm not ugly, I'd say I'm pretty likeable and I get along with just about everyone I meet. I'm still somewhat able to express my passions from bed... definitely not to the extent that I want to, but it's still doable to a certain point.

But the good obviously doesn't take away the bad, and the bad can get really, REALLY bad – unbearably bad – and it makes me wonder if the good is actually worth it, when I suffer massively just as a baseline, and when it's been that way for most of my life. I don't even necessarily want to die, but if this is how it's going to be for the rest of my life, with no sign of improvements, then I really just want nothing to do with it. I guess time will tell, but I'm also not gonna wait "forever".

Long answer, but yeah... I think the "average" person would have had enough a LONG time ago.
If I had those good things you speak of (minus the husband, because I'm not interested in a relationship), I would be much more tempted to stick around, ecstatic even, but I have no such balancing act, there is nothing but torture from every angle-except for maybe my cats, and passive distractions.
That's why I think there may be no "average" person, it really only matters if it's killing us specifically, maybe someone else would be glad to trade places, maybe another person would kill themselves on the spot with our problems, who can know, if a person was truly in our position to the point they lived our lives entirely, then they would probably be no different than us, and thus they would still be on this site contemplating suicide.
I think it's also a matter of familiarity, we grow with our issues, they slowly pile on top of eachother, familiarizing ourselves with increasing amounts of pain, conditioning us to know how to hurt- so if all that was suddenly dropped like a sack of potatoes onto another unsuspecting individual, they would have no idea how to handle it, it would be completely foreign and overwhelming, and they very well may be in shock to the point they jump off the nearest building.
But it takes us so god damn long to get this over with, partially because we are so used to it!
We know what to expect, there is a certain monotony to it, and that can unfortunately contribute to a person dragging out their own suffering, as the next day is not much different from the last, and a strange autopilot ensues.
 
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lofticries

lofticries

obedear
Feb 27, 2021
1,470
I have a feeling the average normie would try to self medicate with drugs and alcohol with my problems. A lot of substance abuse which might bring them here if shit hits the fan.
 
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littlelungs

littlelungs

Wizard
Oct 21, 2018
646
You would have to define the average person (are we defining people by their inherent brain function or their circumstances that led to mental distress?), but I have been in contact with people before with only one of my various problems who were suicidal or ended their lives over it, even if they led otherwise average or even successful lives before hand.
At the point I am at, with so much compounded, I think yes, a good majority of people would ctb in my place and at the very least, would be bent out of shape over it. They might say they wouldn't be, so long as they're outside of my shoes, but once they shoved their feet in, they would be desperate for any escape available to them.

If I had those good things you speak of (minus the husband, because I'm not interested in a relationship), I would be much more tempted to stick around, ecstatic even, but I have no such balancing act, there is nothing but torture from every angle-except for maybe my cats, and passive distractions.
That's why I think there may be no "average" person, it really only matters if it's killing us specifically, maybe someone else would be glad to trade places, maybe another person would kill themselves on the spot with our problems, who can know, if a person was truly in our position to the point they lived our lives entirely, then they would probably be no different than us, and thus they would still be on this site contemplating suicide.
I think it's also a matter of familiarity, we grow with our issues, they slowly pile on top of eachother, familiarizing ourselves with increasing amounts of pain, conditioning us to know how to hurt- so if all that was suddenly dropped like a sack of potatoes onto another unsuspecting individual, they would have no idea how to handle it, it would be completely foreign and overwhelming, and they very well may be in shock to the point they jump off the nearest building.
But it takes us so god damn long to get this over with, partially because we are so used to it!
We know what to expect, there is a certain monotony to it, and that can unfortunately contribute to a person dragging out their own suffering, as the next day is not much different from the last, and a strange autopilot ensues.
I don't have much to say to what you actually wrote, but you write really, really well. I also very much agree with what you wrote regarding the "average" person. I think you summed it up well.

I'm so sorry that you have no "balancing act"... I've likewise been there many times, and the best way I can describe it is that I feel like I'm constantly drowning, but just as I'm about to slip away I get just enough air again to keep going, and the cycle repeats. I'm glad you have your cats at least, but I get it... it just feels so inexplicably awful.

The thing with the good things for me is that it almost makes me feel like I have an obligation to stick around, which is a massive pain in the ass, as it just means more suffering... doesn't mean that I'm not grateful for the good by any means, but I also just really, really don't want to suffer anymore. That's what it boils down to, and I'm definitely not unique in the sense that I don't want to suffer anymore... I think it's safe to say that that's a pretty universal thing among all living beings.

Whether the good things are there or not, though, the bad things are my baseline, and that's just how it's always been for as long as I can remember... and even with the good things, they are often clouded by the constant pain and suffering that I experience simply by existing. It's beyond anything I can describe, and the good things unfortunately don't change or take away from that, but by god, I sure wish that they did. It's hard to find any actual comfort or respite in just about anything when my body is literally attacking itself from the inside out, both physically and mentally. I'm just mangled from this entire existence, honestly.
 
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Dear Agony

Dear Agony

The Void
Jan 24, 2020
296
That depends on the person. I see suicide as an act of courage rather than fear. Of course, you're afraid of living if you're suicidal, but *everyone* is afraid of death, because our bodies biologically are. It's really hard to fight your body's natural instinct to survive. So I would say this... it depends on the person
 
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wait.what

wait.what

no really, what?
Aug 14, 2020
990
Hard to say. What count as "my problems?" If you just kidnapped a rando off the street and put them in my house & told everyone that was the new me now, they'd probably do great. If you gave them a new brain that was incapable of feeling anything but a kind of dead emptiness and vague impatience for the end of its existence, they wouldn't do any better than I've done.
 
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Rae82

Student
Jun 4, 2021
119
Yes but ppl around me think they wouldn't. They have no idea!!
 
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Birthinjune

Birthinjune

Member
Jan 31, 2021
37
I have no underlying physical issues, I'm financially stable, I have loving friends and family, I am relatively healthy. I grew up in deep poverty but worked hard and now have some savings. From the outside everything looks okay.

Yet trauma I've endured has made the world unbearably bleak. I have complex ptsd/ocd/schizophrenia/terrible anxiety and depression.

Up to last year I was even able to manage my depression without meds. I went to therapy and meditated and exercised and ate well etc.

I had bad days but I didn't understand what truly being suicidal was until I lost my partner to suicide. Now it's 30-90% of what I think about on any given day.

I'm in my early 30s but I've already resigned that I lost my soulmate. And I won't be having children or living anything near the life I wanted to have. It's like I'm waiting to die and I feel like I'm on borrowed time. The pain is so unbearable and living a life alone with my regrets isn't something I'm strong enough to do.

So yeah I agree that sometimes there's a mix of trauma, upbringing, underlying disorders etc that are manageable until something pushes you over..
 
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Promortalist_

Promortalist_

Celebrate Death Mourn Life
Jul 5, 2021
74
Nah, average Joe would be happy and comfortable. I am the problem including anything that has ever gone wrong in my life. This is due to my ADHD, crippling anxiety, depression, motivation issues and general problem with existence. A normal person in my place would lead a quite successful and good life.
 
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lugerepair

I don't like life
Oct 15, 2020
165
I mean, if they had exactly all the same circumstances as me, they would be me. So I'm kind of having a hard time thinking about how to answer this question.

What I can say is that I have a lot of risk factors for suicide. Circumstances which are correlated with a higher risk of committing suicide.
 
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xrafinha

Member
Mar 29, 2021
87
The average person would be very miserable with my problems but probably wouldn't ctb. Actual suicide is rare compared to how many people have suicidal thoughts. The only thing that pushed me over the edge is that I was on the cusp of something so much better and refuse to settle for a lesser existence.
Same as me.

Mind sharing your story?
 
Cherry Crumpet

Cherry Crumpet

Hiraeth
May 7, 2018
280
Yeah, probably.

20's was constant state of panic about not being able to find a job. Seeing my mom never being able to keep a job. constant fear of living under a bridge. Early 30's featured a mind reality breaking event involving a relative I considered a father doing something horrible. Family betrayed me.

Moved into tiny 1 bd apt. mom moved in w/me cause she can't afford to live on her own. I gained 100 lbs since realizing I needed to lose weight like 15 years ago. Colossal failure of the highest degree.

I usually cry driving home from work everyday. I have no family besides mom and one other. No chance of having a future family.

What's the point? the only relief is Xanax.
 
meetapple

meetapple

Mage
Jun 3, 2021
585
I always thought when going through my problems that an average person would have killed himself.
 
Luchs

Luchs

kristallene Bergluft über verfallener Gruft
Aug 20, 2019
528
No. I'm irrationally depressed for no reason at time. I have really bad emotional shifts that happen in seconds and fuck me every time they happen.
 
Snake of Eden

Snake of Eden

“Ye shall be as gods..🍎 🐍”
Jun 22, 2021
2,473
With aspergers, life long depression, homosexuality, persistent constipation and an autoimmune balding skin condition thats incurable i think pretty much anyone will think to commit suicide
 
RealLostSoul

RealLostSoul

once rock bottom, always rock bottom
Oct 11, 2019
211
Good question, if they had the same atypical neurological pattern then yea probably. If not I think not (losing a loved one is bad but they move on and having body dysphoria with my average stats is all mental too).
 
TheDoomedDoomer

TheDoomedDoomer

Eternal sleep awaits me
May 22, 2022
140
Definitely. I've been told before by bullies in highschool they'd kill themselves if they were me. I know most people would if they were In my shoes.
 
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DrWh033

Student
Dec 23, 2020
129
The decision like the circumstances are subjective by definition. If you are looking for an "objective" matter of fact life event which is defining and leading to an unanimously abyssmal lvl of life, you can think of tetraplegia or all limbs severed ( like some septicemia patients). Then again you can find people with these condition that are NOT suicidal. The average ( probabilistically) person would most likely decide to commit suicide, if they were in such condition.
In other words, hard to answer a completely subjective issue. I myself, as a flawed person, admit that I find some of the reasoning by some people weak which would not lead a normal person to suicide.( but I remind myself that I am not in their shoes)
 
Hirokami

Hirokami

Out of order
Feb 21, 2021
607
They likely wouldn't be overwhelmed by literally everything, thus can cope with trauma and other issues better. Even if the average person had a depressive state, they'd find an outlet to snap out of it faster than I could. All that considered, they'd make lemonade out of lemons before even considering ctb.
 
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