Would an American risk imprisonmenf if found to be in possession of Nembutal?

[wordsonscreen]

Ah, that makes a lot of sense! I've heard that A often used private couriers to deliver the packages so it's likely C would too!

How exactly would the authorities have proof of the individual in question opening it though? Fingerprints? Wouldn't the person get fingerprints on it just from being handed the package? Do you mean if they were to open it right in front of the delivery guy? Would plausible deniability not count in that instance even if the person genuinely did not know what was inside? If that were the case you'd think that a lot more innocent people would be framed by their enemies intentionally sending illicit substances to their houses.

My Dad is incredibly meddlesome to a fault & so he'd be sure to dig right into any package we receive soon after signing for it. He'd likely wait until after the delivery guy had left, though. The main reason I'm fretting over this is that the nature of my father's employment means he could get fired just for ME having looked at the DarkNet (if there were any proof, that is). I don't know if he's simply fear-mongering, but he stresses that any illegal activity whatsoever that could be traced directly to this household would cost him his job.

It would probably be easy for the cops to conclude that I was the one that ordered it, what with there being existing evidence of me having been sectioned last year & being all-around suicidal. I just don't know if my dad's work would catch wind of the investigation and automatically fire him because of it.

I hate that my CTB would potentially implicate my family to such a degree. I just can't bear being physically tormented by my disease any longer. My body acts as an instrument of torture.

:( Fuck. I see. It hurt to know you are hurting!! Okay, we can sort this. I gotchu.

How exactly would the authorities have proof of the individual in question opening it though?
2 levels to it- Seeing anybody receive the package
Then open it

Fingerprints? Wouldn't the person get fingerprints on it just from being handed the package?
Unavoidable

Do you mean if they were to open it right in front of the delivery guy?
Yes

Would plausible deniability not count in that instance even if the person genuinely did not know what was inside?
Reality and laws are totally different things..

If that were the case you'd think that a lot more innocent people would be framed by their enemies intentionally sending illicit substances to their houses.
It is rare because why spend money to send someone free drugs when there are easier ways to ruin people's lives.

It sounds like your dad will sign for it, if it needs to be signed for. Or he will open it at least.
In that case look into PO box options or the abandoned house options?

 

[LiesAndLigatures]

I truly appreciate all the information you've given me! Thank you, thank you, thank you!!
On one hand it's good if the post office records me signing for it because then the blame most likely would not be shifted onto my parents. My worry with having the package sent directly to my home is the fear that my parents might sign for it without knowing what it is. Could plausible deniability really protect them in that case? Wouldn't the authorities be able to obtain proof from UPS that one of them signed for it? I've had plenty of packages delivered to my house that I haven't had to sign for and they've just been left out on the front porch, but those were all typically from Amazon. Is there a chance that since the package of N would be shipped from an international source that signing for it would be a requirement?

The advantage of a home address vs a PO box is plausible deniability. If someone sends something to your house, you can claim you didn't order it, and they have to prove you did for any charges to stick. If you grab it from a PO box, you would obviously hand it to a postal clerk immeadiately if you didn't know the source, so it is harder to deny.

Dark web vendors almost exclusively ship from drop-boxes to residential addresses, because it makes it much less suspicious, and everyone can deny being involved. Also, when it gets to your house, don't open it for a few days, and write "Return to sender" on the outside. Any raid for a controlled delivery is likely to happen within 72 hours, because by that point you would likely have opened the package, claiming responsibility for the contents. If they bust down your door and the package is sealed and you "just haven't gotten to the post office", it is easier to defend yourself.

I've done a lot of research on dark web op sec recently. I am NOT a lawyer, but these methods have been used in the past, with mixed results

 

[Wrennie]

The advantage of a home address vs a PO box is plausible deniability. If someone sends something to your house, you can claim you didn't order it, and they have to prove you did for any charges to stick. If you grab it from a PO box, you would obviously hand it to a postal clerk immeadiately if you didn't know the source, so it is harder to deny.

Dark web vendors almost exclusively ship from drop-boxes to residential addresses, because it makes it much less suspicious, and everyone can deny being involved. Also, when it gets to your house, don't open it for a few days, and write "Return to sender" on the outside. Any raid for a controlled delivery is likely to happen within 72 hours, because by that point you would likely have opened the package, claiming responsibility for the contents. If they bust down your door and the package is sealed and you "just haven't gotten to the post office", it is easier to defend yourself.

I've done a lot of research on dark web op sec recently. I am NOT a lawyer, but these methods have been used in the past, with mixed results

This is incredibly informative. Thank you so very much for taking the time to shed some light upon this for me. I owe you immensely.

Unfortunately N can no longer be obtained from the Dark Web or from C as of January (I just finished reading through the thread dedicated to it). I'd be forced to order from A, and as far as I know the authorities are more likely to track down his packages. This thread in particular is very concerning: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/a-warning-about-acquiring-n.43912/

I also read that if I were to go online to track the package that my IP address would be logged and they could use that as evidence that I was expecting it. I don't know if that could be combatted by using Tor as a browser though. It would be necessary to track my package so as to intercept it before my meddlesome parents decided to open it.

Hypothetically, if I rented an apartment and had it delivered to me there would that change the risk at all?

 

[wordsonscreen]

The advantage of a home address vs a PO box is plausible deniability. If someone sends something to your house, you can claim you didn't order it, and they have to prove you did for any charges to stick. If you grab it from a PO box, you would obviously hand it to a postal clerk immeadiately if you didn't know the source, so it is harder to deny.

Dark web vendors almost exclusively ship from drop-boxes to residential addresses, because it makes it much less suspicious, and everyone can deny being involved. Also, when it gets to your house, don't open it for a few days, and write "Return to sender" on the outside. Any raid for a controlled delivery is likely to happen within 72 hours, because by that point you would likely have opened the package, claiming responsibility for the contents. If they bust down your door and the package is sealed and you "just haven't gotten to the post office", it is easier to defend yourself.

I've done a lot of research on dark web op sec recently. I am NOT a lawyer, but these methods have been used in the past, with mixed results

this is so SMART!!!! Love it

I also read that if I were to go online to track the package that my IP address would be logged and they could use that as evidence that I was expecting it. I don't know if that could be combatted by using Tor as a browser though. It would be necessary to track my package so as to intercept it before my meddlesome parents decided to open it.

Tor + vpn
Double check your own ip by googling it

 

[LiesAndLigatures]

This is incredibly informative. Thank you so very much for taking the time to shed some light upon this for me. I owe you immensely.

Unfortunately N can no longer be obtained from the Dark Web or from C as of January (I just finished reading through the thread dedicated to it). I'd be forced to order from A, and as far as I know the authorities are more likely to track down his packages. This thread in particular is very concerning: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/a-warning-about-acquiring-n.43912/

I also read that if I were to go online to track the package that my IP address would be logged and they could use that as evidence that I was expecting it. I don't know if that could be combatted by using Tor as a browser though. It would be necessary to track my package so as to intercept it before my meddlesome parents decided to open it.

Hypothetically, if I rented an apartment and had it delivered to me there would that change the risk at all?

Renting your own apartment would eliminate the legal risk to your parents atleast. Tracking a package is another sign that it is expected though, so it makes it hard to deny. If USPS is making the final delivery, you can sign up for "Informed Delivery", and it will tell you when packages are arriving, without checking individual tracking numbers. That is the recommended method for seeing the delivery date of dark web packages, which means it should apply to any illicit substances.

 

[Wrennie]

Renting your own apartment would eliminate the legal risk to your parents atleast. Tracking a package is another sign that it is expected though, so it makes it hard to deny. If USPS is making the final delivery, you can sign up for "Informed Delivery", and it will tell you when packages are arriving, without checking individual tracking numbers. That is the recommended method for seeing the delivery date of dark web packages, which means it should apply to any illicit substances.

What about if it's seized at customs? If the package doesn't even make it to my address would plausible deniability still be possible?

Also, I believe A uses private couriers instead of UPS, etc. Would that be less risk on my end?

 

[LiesAndLigatures]

What about if it's seized at customs? If the package doesn't even make it to my address would plausible deniability still be possible?

Also, I believe A uses private couriers instead of UPS, etc. Would that be less risk on my end?

Customs seizure is actually the easiest part to fight. You just tell them "Thank you for keeping that package that was shipped to me without my knowledge." Controlled deliveries (police watching the box or raiding) is the real concern.

I don't know enough about ordering from A, or the guidelines for his carriers. If it clears customs and makes it to your door, after a short waiting period to be sure it wasn't a controlled delivery, you are in the clear. If A gets busted one day and has a bunch of addresses, I'm sure most of his customers will already be gone. That is what lowers his risk so much... his customers aren't looking to get high, or flip his stuff on the street for a quick buck. They are mostly dead within months of recieving their packages, if not sooner.

 

[wordsonscreen]

Customs seizure is actually the easiest part to fight. You just tell them "Thank you for keeping that package that was shipped to me without my knowledge." Controlled deliveries (police watching the box or raiding) is the real concern.

you're really cool! ty for all this detail <3

I don't know enough about ordering from A, or the guidelines for his carriers. If it clears customs and makes it to your door, after a short waiting period to be sure it wasn't a controlled delivery, you are in the clear. If A gets busted one day and has a bunch of addresses, I'm sure most of his customers will already be gone. That is what lowers his risk so much... his customers aren't looking to get high, or flip his stuff on the street for a quick buck. They are mostly dead within months of recieving their packages, if not sooner.

good business strategy I guess

 

[Wrennie]

Customs seizure is actually the easiest part to fight. You just tell them "Thank you for keeping that package that was shipped to me without my knowledge." Controlled deliveries (police watching the box or raiding) is the real concern.

I don't know enough about ordering from A, or the guidelines for his carriers. If it clears customs and makes it to your door, after a short waiting period to be sure it wasn't a controlled delivery, you are in the clear. If A gets busted one day and has a bunch of addresses, I'm sure most of his customers will already be gone. That is what lowers his risk so much... his customers aren't looking to get high, or flip his stuff on the street for a quick buck. They are mostly dead within months of recieving their packages, if not sooner.

So I guess the final barrier would be the traceability of the Bitcoin transaction. If the feds were to knock at my door in search of the package, is it safe to assume there's a potential *chance* that they've done their research beforehand and have evidence of me being the one to purchase it, or would they only have access to that knowledge if they were to open a formal investigation? Also, would I be informed that they were officially going to be investigating me? What would being investigated entail?

Also, the person in this thread mentions being in possession of their N for a month (longer than 72 hours) and law enforcement still arrived at their doorstep https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/a-warning-about-acquiring-n.43912/

Sorry for bombarding you with so many questions!
I really value your contributions to this thread!

 

[Blue Rose]

In SK, I MUST choose the one. Being sent to psych ward or Being thrown to a jail.

 

[Jblack]

I found this article on how the CBP screens package coming into the country by plane. If they find an illegal drug, CBP shows up at you door with the package. At the airport it looks like they inspect 100% of the packages coming in on a given day.

How JFK customs searches 1 million packages a day for illegal items

Customs and Border Protection officers at JFK airport search 1 million mail packages a day for illegal drugs, food, animals and counterfeit goods.

www.businessinsider.com

However, cargo arriving by ship has only 3.7% of the containers inspected.

Hope this helps a little. No information was given on what happens to the person to whom the package is addressed.

 

[wordsonscreen]

So I guess the final barrier would be the traceability of the Bitcoin transaction.

Look into bitcoin tumbling!

If the feds were to knock at my door in search of the package, is it safe to assume there's a potential *chance* that they've done their research beforehand and have evidence of me being the one to purchase it, or would they only have access to that knowledge if they were to open a formal investigation?

This info would be publicly available- all bitcoin transactions are but just v hard to piece together

Also, would I be informed that they were officially going to be investigating me?

no.. :( they can just go at it.

 

[Wrennie]

Look into bitcoin tumbling!


This info would be publicly available- all bitcoin transactions are but just v hard to piece together


no.. :( they can just go at it.

I heard that the Bitcoin blockchain is fully traceable now even with tumbling, unfortunately. Monero would be the way to go and is what most Dark Net sellers accept (C included, back when he was still operating) but A only specifies Bitcoin for some reason.

Spoiler

Maybe A is a gimmick and, in reality, it's a covert operation run by law enforcement to weed out suicidal people from all across the world and find reason to incarcerate them once they have the illegal substance in their possession. But that's probably just me being overly paranoid & imaginative ...

 

[wordsonscreen]

I heard that the Bitcoin blockchain is fully traceable now even with tumbling, unfortunately. Monero would be the way to go and is what most Dark Net sellers accept (C included, back when he was still operating) but A only specifies Bitcoin for some reason.

Yes people tumble bc and move it to monero
And that is weird. people really use bc much now for such transactions

Spoiler

Maybe A is a gimmick and, in reality, it's a covert operation run by law enforcement to weed out suicidal people from all across the world and find reason to incarcerate them once they have the illegal substance in their possession. But that's probably just me being overly paranoid & imaginative ...

Might not be wrong though.... hard to say. It does not sound impossible.

 

[Arnie]

Dark web vendors almost exclusively ship from drop-boxes to residential addresses, because it makes it much less suspicious, and everyone can deny being involved. Also, when it gets to your house, don't open it for a few days, and write "Return to sender" on the outside. Any raid for a controlled delivery is likely to happen within 72 hours, because by that point you would likely have opened the package, claiming responsibility for the contents. If they bust down your door and the package is sealed and you "just haven't gotten to the post office", it is easier to defend yourself.

I've done a lot of research on dark web op sec recently. I am NOT a lawyer, but these methods have been used in the past, with mixed results

Thanks for all input.

Do you know about tech related stuff for security/anonymity?

I'm looking to use two factor authentication (2fa). I've read that it's much better to use it. I know I need to install Google Authenticator, but I have an issue that I've come across that I just can't figure out (as I'm not very tech savvy).

Issue is: people reporting that whilst connected to their VPN, they have attempted to install apps from GooglePlay, and as a result of the VPN, GooglePlay then completely shut down for use, meaning refused to further download or update anything else. I really can't afford for that to happen as I'm not very tech savvy, as I already mentioned (can only go so far), and it'll mess up my entire plan that I've spent so much time working out. It's just all so overwhelming.

I'm not actually sure if it's really a needed or necessary step to install and use Google Auth whilst connected to a VPN anyway?

 

[xaea13]

You risk imprisonment anytime you break the law, however the risk of imprisonment for possessing nembutal is very low.

A few years ago, the police raided hundreds of homes around the world for nembutal and no criminal charges were filed. Many were forcibly taken to a psych ward though.

That last part is a pretty damn important detail. It's not life in prison, but it might as well be as far as your chances of ever successfully ctb after that are concerned.