Winning against ProLifers

[NeverGoodEnuff]

This will be long. Thank you if you make it to the end.

I have been training with guns, just a fun thing to do. I have no desire to conceal carry (CC), or have a shootout with a bad guy in the mall, or join a street riot. I just like the shooting (at a range at paper targets). It is winter here and the range is outdoors so shooting is on hold till warmer weather arrives. But learning isn't and I am watching videos and reading books geared towards CC and self defense, even though that is not my specific goal, it is an interesting subject.

One area that is intensely covered is mindset and attitude. The whole point of carrying a handgun is to defend your life and the lives of those around you from an attacker.

Yesterday, I read many posts here on different threads about Fix The 26 and others who are attacking this forum and those on it, trying to "kill" it.

As I listened to the video last night, it came to mind that a fight is a fight no matter if it is a shootout at the mall or defending against the pro lifers. Either way, you just want to be left alone to live or die your own way. I took notes on some bullet points that caught my attention in this regard.

"In order to effectively defend yourself, you must not DEFEND, but instead, counter attack with maximum intensity."

"Playing defense means you are always reacting, waiting until your attacker lands that fatal blow."

"He doesn't expect you to fight back."

How does this apply here? The mother whose son committed suicide and was a member here has published all over the place. By doing so, she has fired the first shot. I am not familiar with the details of this story but I would bet a nickle that he posted negative things about his family and how they were, at least partly, the driving force to his suicide. So what can be done? Aggressively publish his posts next to hers. Is that ethical? Maybe not. But if you think of it in that way, she will win because she is not thinking of what is ethical or right. She wants to kill sanctioned suicide.

"Be 100% confident that deadly force is needed. Once you bring deadly force into the equation, it's either you or him."

"Your goal is to WIN."

People like her want to shut us down, to "kill" us (not literally, perhaps, but you know what I mean). It is in our mental mindsets to withdraw, to run and hide and lick our wounds (and I absolutely include myself in this), to avoid those people. If we do that, they will win.

We must fight them with everything we have, fight down and dirty, make them sorry they ever even heard of us. Publish and humiliate them for what they have done and are doing. Shine bright lights on their lies and their sins.

Can we do that instead of hiding? I don't know how but when I think about it, I actually feel better. I don't do reddit or FB or twitter or any of that.

The saying, "Don't get mad, get even" comes to mind.

So, made it this far? What say you?

 

[DivineMedicus]

Wholeheartedly agree. Being too docile and defensive will make us too predictable and therefore, less adversarial. We must set truth free upon them, burn away their web of lies and deceit. As long as we maintain integrity of our beliefs, we will have a fighting chance.

 

[Life_and_Death]

i dont disagree with it except one thing

"In order to effectively defend yourself, you must not DEFEND, but instead, counter attack with maximum intensity."

if someone brings a knife and you haul out a gun. i cant speak for laws else where but where i am you will get in shit for excessive force. theres defending yourself and then theres beating someone to a pulp and that i do not agree with

 

[NeverGoodEnuff]

Edit to add: Things I would like to say to that woman...

If you loved him and had been a good mother, he would not have killed himself.

Many suicides are by persons who were abused in childhood. That must be a big reaso why he killed himself.

If you had effectively listened to him and really tried to help him, he would be alive and happy today.

i dont disagree with it except one thing


if someone brings a knife and you haul out a gun. i cant speak for laws else where but where i am you will get in shit for excessive force. theres defending yourself and then theres beating someone to a pulp and that i do not agree with

That knife will kill you. You can be in trouble or be dead.

 

[Life_and_Death]

That knife will kill you.

that doesnt change the law. you can not bring a gun to a knife fight

 

[DivineMedicus]

that doesnt change the law. you can not bring a gun to a knife fight

I think someone coming at you with a knife warrants full justification for using lethal force.

 

[NeverGoodEnuff]

Somebody comes at you with a knife, or a club, or a baseball bat, with the intent to kill you. You think a gun is the wrong response? What would be the right response?

 

[Symbiote]

Sadly, anything we do to "fight them" will only prove their convictions against us that we're predators hunting vulnerable people to draw them into a death cult. Granted they are all public figures, can find them at any time, doxxing would only fuel them. Society panders to the pro-lifers trying to "help" us by making us fear our own choices in death. Their campaign against us is failing horribly since even without this group, more people are killing themselves around the world.

All they have left is to drive us to suicide which defeats the purpose of their organization. Make us feel bad like we never really felt bad before /s. If I had a mother like that, I would kill myself too. Actually I did have a mother like that, even worse, but I'm not dead yet.

 

[NeverGoodEnuff]

I don't want this to turn into a gun thread. Rather my intent is to use this mindset to fight for pro choice advocation.

 

[Life_and_Death]

I think someone coming at you with a knife warrants full justification for using lethal force.

See, self-defense allows you to use as much force as possible to stop an attack, to break free from an assailant. But if you keep attacking after you break free?

"Then it would be excessive force," says Bourdages. "Then you could be charged with assault."


'you' clearly seem to be missing the part where i said "the laws where i live"

 

[NeverGoodEnuff]

Sadly, anything we do to "fight them" will only prove their convictions against us that we're predators hunting vulnerable people to draw them into a death cult. Granted they are all public figures, can find them at any time, doxxing would only fuel them. Society panders to the pro-lifers trying to "help" us by making us fear our own choices in death. Their campaign against us is failing horribly since even without this group, more people are killing themselves around the world.

All they have left is to drive us to suicide which defeats the purpose of their organization. Make us feel bad like we never really felt bad before /s. If I had a mother like that, I would kill myself too. Actually I did have a mother like that, even worse, but I'm not dead yet.

Hmmm... some good points here. How to overcome that? Headline: "Friends say man's Mother drove him to suicide"? MSM loves that kind of stuff, right??

See, self-defense allows you to use as much force as possible to stop an attack, to break free from an assailant. But if you keep attacking after you break free?

"Then it would be excessive force," says Bourdages. "Then you could be charged with assault."


you clearly seem to be missing the part where i said "the laws where i live"

I think we live under the same laws. And I understand what you are saying. Maybe we could start a different thread about this? Like I said, it is the fighting mindset that maybe could be used against our pro life enemies?

 

[Symbiote]

MSM has it pinned on us that we're all murderers because we didn't adopt pro-life rhetoric when we say our farewells and goodbyes in a thread. Guess these pro-life LARPers never really been on a suicide forum where there's people that really encourage you to do it and if you don't you get bullied and harassed for days. SS respects the dignity of the individual and have yet to see a member force another to kill themselves. There are no "Lauren Conrad's" amongst us in the group.

 

[Spitfire]

It is sad.







Isn't it?

 

[Life_and_Death]

MSM has it pinned on us that we're all murderers because we didn't adopt pro-life rhetoric when we say our farewells and goodbyes in a thread. Guess these pro-life LARPers never really been on a suicide forum where there's people that really encourage you to do it and if you don't you get bullied and harassed for days. SS respects the dignity of the individual and have yet to see a member force another to kill themselves. There are no "Lauren Conrad's" amongst us in the group.

this i completely agree with. i came here because someone made it sound like the people here were going to make me want to kms.....well we see how far that went considering i think im succeeding at recovery. (difficult to tell at this point).

 

[NeverGoodEnuff]

My exposure to all of this out there is very minimal so I appreciate the comments you have taken the time to make. Thank you for educating me.

Meanwhile, I may try changing the way I respond to particular persons in my life who, I think, intentionally say things they know will make me crash. Instead of defense mode, I may try attacking instead (verbally). I am fighting for my life here.

 

[omoidarui]

This is the mum with the Stop Sanctioned Suicide Facebook page.



She's been posting multiple threatening tweets to one of our members, and looking though her deceased son's posts, it seems what she is referring to is a topic made by said member where they announced they were going to ctb (with the method her son eventually used) and she is angry that her son is no longer with us, but the member in question is.

So she deems the member a "predator" for indirectly giving her son the idea and not attempting themselves...?

Unless I'm mistaken, this movement against our forum are now essentially wishing death/violence on people from this community who don't act on their plans to die, i thought these people initially meant well but idek what to think any more.

 

[Life_and_Death]

the way they trip over themselves and cant keep anything straight it wouldnt surprise me if they destroy themselves. they dont need our help. they cant even define the victims from the 'predators', which isnt even being used correctly: a person or group that ruthlessly exploits others. its actually kind of funny watching them call us names that by definition actually refers to them

 

[DivineMedicus]

the way they trip over themselves and cant keep anything straight it wouldnt surprise me if they destroy themselves. they dont need our help. they cant even define the victims from the 'predators', which isnt even being used correctly: a person or group that ruthlessly exploits others. its actually kind of funny watching them call us names that by definition actually refers to them

Their whole foundation of arguments is built from lies. They lie so often that they can't even keep track of what to say anymore. They're just tripping over their own words constantly.

 

[Life_and_Death]

Their whole foundation of arguments is built from lies. They lie so often that they can't even keep track of what to say anymore. They're just tripping over their own words constantly.

omg i know. " they wished this person fairwell on a goodbye thread" and you do what when someones in hospital on their deathbed? the same thing, really? huh funny that. i know i know its not the same, its just a life long condition thats constantly torturous, you know.....like cancer and ect can be, but yeah so not the same because its not visual and you cant see it with special machines (which you can, its called an MRI that can actually pick up on things but i wont go into the complications of that and confuse them)

 

[Spitfire]

She and they are already on thin ice.. and they know it. lmfao!

HAHAHA LOL!

I think they may end up drowning themselves, actually.

 

[AnnonyBox]

Ignore them, they're an ineffectual far-right wing group and anyone can plainly see that. If you want to effect the real change, start writing letters to your representatives asking them to support the right to die, and share stories about the efficacy and moral highground of physician assisted suicide. If they can't deal with the emotional fallout of being in part to blame for driving their family members to the point where they feel the need to kill themselves, it's not the greater public's duty to make them feel good by erasing and censoring people. For the rest of us with issues forcing us into a quality of life that is untenable, we must make our stories, and the moral arguments for the right to die known to our representatives.

 

[DivineMedicus]

omg i know. " they wished this person fairwell on a goodbye thread" and you do what when someones in hospital on their deathbed? the same thing, really? huh funny that. i know i know its not the same, its just a life long condition thats constantly torturous, you know.....like cancer and ect can be, but yeah so not the same because its not visual and you cant see it with special machines (which you can, its called an MRI that can actually pick up on things but i wont go into the complications of that and confuse them)

They are afraid of the concept of choice. After being used to nature taking away their loved ones, God forbid that some people take the liberty of ending their lives on their own terms. People nowadays are too convinced that what is natural is good, a prime example of naturalistic fallacy.

 

[Life_and_Death]

They are afraid of the concept of choice. After being used to nature taking away their loved ones, God forbid that some people take the liberty of ending their lives on their own terms. People nowadays are too convinced that what is natural is good, a prime example of naturalistic fallacy.

i think its a number of different things depending on the person. i mean to be fair, we are taught to avoid death ever since were born and at the same time, it would be difficult to lose someone especially if you dont have time to prepare yourself emotionally for it like you would if someone is older or sick. not that i agree with the way they handle it, its emotionally damaging to themselves and others.

 

[Spitfire]

A big transformation the fuxters must have gone through to become whatever they became? What the hell do they think they are they doing?

Hahahaa, alright

It probably has an overall greater opposite effect to that of which they desire anyway, Lol!

 

[DivineMedicus]

i think its a number of different things depending on the person. i mean to be fair, we are taught to avoid death ever since were born and at the same time, it would be difficult to lose someone especially if you dont have time to prepare yourself emotionally for it like you would if someone is older or sick. not that i agree with the way they handle it, its emotionally damaging to themselves and others.

Don't get me wrong, the loss of life is indeed terrible, especially for those who must face the aftermath. But a life taken by one's own hands is ultimately less tragic than one taken from disease, war, crime, etc. If pro-lifers were really interested in saving us, they could. But their empty promises, their lies, will end up causing more harm in the long run.

 

[Life_and_Death]

Don't get me wrong, the loss of life is indeed terrible, especially for those who must face the aftermath. But a life taken by one's own hands is ultimately less tragic than one taken from disease, war, crime, etc. If pro-lifers were really interested in saving us, they could. But their empty promises, their lies, will end up causing more harm in the long run.

agreed although i dont see how its less tragic. like you said "we" could be saved, doesnt that make it sadder? to have the ability to prevent it? plus like i said, less emotionally prepared.

 

[DivineMedicus]

agreed although i dont see how its less tragic. like you said "we" could be saved, doesnt that make it sadder? to have the ability to prevent it? plus like i said, less emotionally prepared.

Ofc not everyone can be saved; some people choose to end their lives because according to them, life will never be worthwhile (I personally want to CTB b/c I find life on Earth to be too bland, it's just working for decades and then retiring when you have no energy left). Sometimes you cannot change a person's viewpoint, no matter how hard you try. The individual who have CTB will have been liberated from their torment, free from their obligations and obstacles that (s)he has never signed up for. The ones who were not emotionally prepared? They should have seen it coming.

 

[Life_and_Death]

The ones who were not emotionally prepared? They should have seen it coming.

not always, a lot of people hide it (as best they can obviously)

 

[_Kaira_]

This is the mum with the Stop Sanctioned Suicide Facebook page.



She's been posting multiple threatening tweets to one of our members, and looking though her deceased son's posts, it seems what she is referring to is a topic made by said member where they announced they were going to ctb (with the method her son eventually used) and she is angry that her son is no longer with us, but the member in question is.

So she deems the member a "predator" for indirectly giving her son the idea and not attempting themselves...?

Unless I'm mistaken, this movement against our forum are now essentially wishing death/violence on people from this community who don't act on their plans to die, i thought these people initially meant well but idek what to think any more.

I saw a couple comments on their FB page with that same post, that they wanted that member to die slowly from an agonizing disease,
or have them "done for murder."

I get these people are mad and want someone to blame.
But geez it made me so ticked off seeing those comments... guess they really want people to kill themselves after all it seems.
In fact they ARE pi**ed off that they haven't killed themselves yet. :(

 

[profoundexperience]

Someone just doesn't, "out of the blue", stumble upon SS and then "suddenly" decide/get convinced to ctb... In all these cases, there were a whole bunch of -- MUCH BIGGER -- problems that HAD TO come first.

Parents who blame SS are looking for just that... someone/something to blame. And, what could be a easier target than SS?

99% of human beings belong to a cult... with their fundamental belief being "Life is a 'good thing'." So good, it justifies bringing more babies in... and that's supposedly "beautiful".

We are the heretics and apostates to that cult: Our truth is that, "Life isn't a good thing." And the evidence surely is on our side... for anyone willing to overcome their biological/cultural programming and be totally rational.