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noname223

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Will ICE and the national guard be used to suppress voters?
Will the gerrmymandering be worse than it ever was?
Will the results be contested? Voting manipulation by the media?
Will voting by mail be suppressed?
Will voting machines be seized?
Will the elections actually take place? Insurrection act, maybe the US will be attacked by a foreign force lol
 
Dejected 55

Dejected 55

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I don't know... but all this has happened before.

Has everyone forgotten how when Obama was President the Republicans fear-mongered saying Obama would declare martial law and prevent future elections so he could be President for life? This was a real thing... prominent Republicans would say this shit on TV. It obviously never happened. So now people fear monger over Trump doing the same thing. I mean, I get it is more in his wheelhouse of an idea he might actually consider... but here's the thing.

IF Trump could actually do such a thing... then our country is not at all what it is billed to be and it deserves to fall. The design of our system and the power of the people is supposed to prevent someone from taking that kind of control perpetually. IF Obama could have done it, that would have been bad too. IF Trump could actually do it now, then our country is even more flawed than many of us are aware of it to be.

Results are almost always contested these days... even if not officially. People rant about it for years after... just like the winner keeps holding rallies even after he has won for some reason. There is voting fraud and manipulation. It's almost an American tradition. Who knows to the degree it affects elections... but it is there and has been since the beginning. Oh, and both sides are guilty of it. No clean hands. Voter suppression is a tradition as well. Happens all the time. It's bad... but it is not anything new.

There really isn't too much new under the sun. There are cycles... but the things happening were here before and will come back around again... sadly... because people suck.
 
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Our friend Dejected55 is right.


I've said all this on here before. Remember the drones in NJ? They were not resolved — just as I predicted. I had already pretty much determined that Trump was a puppet, a fake person, part of the show, only there because he's allowed to be there. It's the only thing that explains his ability to continue to fail upward — to continue to be given more and more power in a country that supposedly is doing all these things to stop him. It explains why he just continues to do all the stuff that Bush, Clinton, Obama — all these people — did. Except he's got a different face on it. He's wrestling. It's not real. Not that it's not "real," I want to be clear with my terms here. When I say that something is not real, I don't mean it didn't happen. I mean that it is presented to you, curated to you, directed at you in a certain way to elicit a certain type of response. It's not being allowed to play out organically. What you are seeing is a show. And that's the genius of the show — its ability to make you believe that it's not a show.
 
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Texas already did gerrymandering and California responeded
 
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noname223

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Here are a few quotes of Guy Debord. Most of them from The Society of the Spectacle I want to post it here because there are many vibes that politics was actually a show in the US. Guy Debord sort of predicted that with the upcoming new technologies. By the way he committed suicide. There are speculations he did it because he was fed up by the system he lived in. I really like this dude though.


"The more powerful the class, the more it claims not to exist, and its power is employed above all to enforce this claim. It is modest only on this one point, however, because this officially nonexistent bureaucracy simultaneously attributes the crowning achievements of history to its own infallible leadership. Though its existence is everywhere in evidence, the bureaucracy must be invisible as a class. As a result, all social life becomes insane."

"Spectacle is the sun that never sets over the empire of modern passivity"

"The spectacle is the nightmare of imprisoned modern society which ultimately expresses nothing more than its desire to sleep. The spectacle is the guardian of sleep."

"Where the real world changes into simple images, the simple images become real beings and effective motivations of hypnotic behavior."

"The first stage of the economy's domination of social life brought about an evident degradation of being into having — human fulfillment was no longer equated with what one was, but with what one possessed. The present stage, in which social life has become completely dominated by the accumulated productions of the economy, is bringing about a general shift from having to appearing — all "having" must now derive its immediate prestige and its ultimate purpose from appearances. At the same time all individual reality has become social, in the sense that it is shaped by social forces and is directly dependent on them. Individual reality is allowed to appear only if it is not actually real."

"The spectacle is a social relation between people that is mediated by an accumulation of images that serve to alienate us from a genuinely lived life. The image is thus an historical mutation of the form of commodity fetishism."

"capitalism could appropriate even the most radical ideas and return them safely in the form of harmless ideologies."

"The more you consume the less you live,"

"As long as necessity is socially dreamed, dreaming will remain a social necessity. The spectacle is the bad dream of a modern society in chains and ultimately expresses nothing more than its wish for sleep. The spectacle is the guardian of that sleep."

"The spectacle presents itself as a vast inaccessible reality that can never be questioned. Its sole message is: "What appears is good; what is good appears." The passive acceptance it demands is already effectively imposed by its monopoly of appearances, its manner of appearing without allowing any reply."

"the spectacle is an affirmation of appearances and an identification of all human social life with appearances. But a critique that grasps the spectacle's essential character reveals it to be a visible negation of life — a negation that has taken on a visible form."

"The images detached from every aspect of life merge into a common stream in which the unity of that life can no longer be recovered. Fragmented views of reality regroup themselves into a new unity as a separate pseudoworld that can only be looked at. The specialization of images of the world evolves into a world of autonomized images where even the deceivers are deceived. The spectacle is a concrete inversion of life, an autonomous movement of the nonliving."

"We must destroy the Spectacle itself, the whole apparatus of the commodity society... We must abolish the pseudo-needs and false desires which the system manufactures daily in order to preserve its power."

"The spectacle is a permanent opium war designed to force people to equate goods with commodities and to equate satisfaction with a survival that expands according to its own laws."

"The spectacle does not realize philosophy, it philosophizes reality, reducing everyone's concrete life to a
universe of speculation."

"The things the spectacle presents as eternal are based on change, and must change as their foundations change. The spectacle is totally dogmatic, yet it is incapable of arriving at any really solid dogma. Nothing stands still for it. This instability is the spectacle's natural condition, but it is completely contrary to its natural inclination."

"When ideology has become total through its possession of total power, and has changed from partial truth to totalitarian falsehood, historical thought has been so totally annihilated that history itself, even at the level of the most empirical knowledge, can no longer exist. Totalitarian bureaucratic society lives in a perpetual present in which whatever has previously happened is determined solely by its police."

"The reigning economic system is a vicious circle of isolation. Its technologies are based on isolation, and they contribute to that same isolation. From automobiles to television, the goods that the spectacular system chooses to produce also serve it as weapons for constantly reinforcing the conditions that engender "lonely crowds." With ever-increasing concreteness the spectacle recreates its own presuppositions."

Maybe I should do a seperate thread for this. However, maybe conspiracy theories about The Spectal are actually a part of The Spectacle? I like these French media theorists, they are so meta. Even though, the loss of an objective truth actually enabled people like Trump to gain power
 
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George Carlin had a few different riffs on this sort of stuff... a lot about the illusion of choice we have. We have two parties and we are constantly told not only must we choose one or the other BUT that it is impossible to have even a third choice... meanwhile, the parties choose who gets to be the candidates you get to "choose" from, so it's not like you even really get to choose anything at all... meanwhile there are 20 different flavors of bagels 30+ flavors of ice cream, and so on... we are paralyzed by choice in all the things that don't matter... and where choice matters most, the people in charge make sure we have no real choice.
 

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