Will i go to hell if i commit suicide

[Zzzzz]

John 10:18 Jesus says no one takes his life but he lays it down himself.

 

[ouvreyes]

Newdelhiguy,
The priests who came up with the theory of karma weren't normal people who just wanted to scare the generalfolk. I have read half of rig veda and I think its a very well written metaphysical book on reality. I am a physicist and could easily find a lot of flaws in it but at some places it really does make sense and is in congruence with modern cosmology and the quantum mechanical view of reality. I don't believe in Hinduism of course but I never rule out any possibility one hundred percent if that possibility has been held on the grounds of reason.

That's interesting... are there any papers about where the two intersect that you could link me?

And to add to the thread, I've always been under the impression that the "eternal damnation" of all the world theologies that preach it wefe written as a scare tactic. To use suicide as the example, I've always seen hell as something to discourage people from doing it. But again, to each their own. There are others that do believe, and while I can't personally wrap my head around it, it's apparently made sense to billions.

 

[Michael Andersen]

I've never quite understood religious people. When someone gets sick or something goes wrong it's not gods fault, but when someone is healed or something good happens it was gods doing??

I have no problem with religion, as each to their own. I simply don't understand it, because it makes little to no sense.

 

[Michael Andersen]

That's interesting... are there any papers about where the two intersect that you could link me?

And to add to the thread, I've always been under the impression that the "eternal damnation" of all the world theologies that preach it wefe written as a scare tactic. To use suicide as the example, I've always seen hell as something to discourage people from doing it. But again, to each their own. There are others that do believe, and while I can't personally wrap my head around it, it's apparently made sense to billions.

As a lifelong active christen, I've been taught that killing oneself is the same a murder and the consequences of committing murder in the life after death are the same as suicide. My question is simply, how much pain am I suppose to endure? I could live for 30 more years, and to live with chronic pain like I have now and likely worse as I get older is just unbearable. I may be weak, but I simply don't want to live like this anymore.

 

[Schopenhauer]

You can actually even make a case Jesus committed suicide by cop. Ofcourse the entire tenant of Christianity is accepting a human God sacrifice to save you from God himself. None of it has ever made any sense to me.

 

[TheCrow]

NDEs aren't proof of an afterlife because you're not brain dead. In NDEs, your heart may have stopped, but your brain is very much active and alive. Out of body experiences have also been stimulated in labs.

For shits & giggles, read this on NDEs. I've been reading about them lately, and I found this article/interview to be really interesting:
https://goop.com/wellness/spirituality/1000s-near-death-experiences-can-teach-us-dying/

 

[TheCrow]

I've heard many horror OBE (Out of body experience) stories. I know i shouldn't believe everything on the internet. But i'm scared the possibility of going to hell. Afterlife is unknown it could be heaven and hell, reincarnation, nothingness, limbo, etc.

Like this doctor had the experience of going to hell with an out of body experience
https://mb.ntd.tv/inspiring/life/doctor-died-went-hell-came-back-message.html

I found this article/interview to be interesting—and kind of reassured me in a way? My only problem with it is it rules against the theory that DMT floods the brain at the time of death, but I think it's worth reading:
https://goop.com/wellness/spirituality/1000s-near-death-experiences-can-teach-us-dying/

 

[TheCrow]

Well I agree, I also agree that NDEs prove nothing because it's proven that it takes awhile for the brain to actually die after clinical death. But I think OBEs are quite interesting. People see things from perspectives that wouldn't be possible with just their eyes. They often even see them while their eyes are closed. How do they do that?

I just read a really interesting article/interview on that subject:
https://goop.com/wellness/spirituality/1000s-near-death-experiences-can-teach-us-dying/

 

[TheCrow]

Those experiences people describe when they died and came back it´s all in the mind, when people die the pineal gland releases DMT so that is why people say they went to heaven or saw this or that you can look it up.

Right?! I am so interested in this topic. I'm surprised DMT isn't discussed more here.

 

[Couchking]

What's hell?

What fire?
Demon rape?
Suffocating?
Smoke instead of air?


It's much more intense here.
You're just not aware of it.

If there is a hell you'll probably be going to it.
You've killed haven't you? You've lied? Stolen? Abused?

Suicide is not for people who fear things.

 

[Armadillo]

If the existence of something cannot be proven nor is necessary, there's no reason to assume it's real (and here we should discuss what we mean by real, but I don't want to get too much philosophical).
I'll try to explain.
How do you know your phone is real? Well... you can prove its existence pretty easily: you can see it, you can touch it etc.
Your phone existing is the only explanation to all those phenomena (well actually that's not exactly what I believe 100%, but let's go on).
Does it make sense to believe in something that can't be proven, at least with the methods above? Of course, but the existence of that thing has to be necessary to explain something. For example take the Higgs Boson.
Its existence had been teorized long before the proof of its actual existence in 2012, if memory serves me right, so does that mean that there was no reason to believe in the existence of this kind of particle before? No. Its existence made sense, it explained a lot of stuff theorizing that a particle with those characteristics existed.
Where do Gods, Heaven, Hell, Santa, unicorns and stuff like that fit in all of this? Nowhere, exactly. Can't be proven and it's not necessary/reasonable = it probably doesn't exist.

I'd try to explain my views better but I'm pretty fucked up so that's all.

 

[bigj75]

I already feel like I'm living in hell now while alive. No way the only way for me or anyone who's life is horrible should have to wait to die naturally to get into heaven. Logically putting someone out of their misery is the best thing to do.

 

[your pathologist]

Yes.

 

[Paloma]

Well, nowhere in the Bible states that suicide is THE unforgivable sin so many people talk about. There's only one, which is blasphemy of the Spirit:

Mark 3:28-30: "Truly I tell you, all sins and blasphemes will be forgiven for the sons of men. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven[...]"

This aside, I'm tired.... of certain people who don't understand a thing about this topic [suicide], telling others who have lost loved ones due to suicide and suffered greatly because of it, that they are in hell right now. That hurts, you know. Suicide has understandable reasons behind it; many who do it are mentally ill and that is something you can't control, even if it's somewhat mental (which can also be considered physical: DNA and stuff, knowing there's a theory that some mental illnesses could be hereditary and depression and other illnesses have to do with specific sides of the brain that are damaged and chemical imbalances, and yeah). And God understands, He understands our suffering. He is the God of forgiveness.

Don't let anyone tell you that a loved one who comited suicide is suffering in hell, cuz it's most likely they're not. And like someone said, I'm not saying this as an excuse to commit suicide or whatever nor something to encourage suicide, I'm just stating biblical facts for those who are interested.

We don't want to die, we want to end our endless suffering.

 

[Miss clefable]

Yes.

i thought we were already here

 

[Paloma]

i thought we were already here

My mind is a hell. I'm so tired... I need rest...

 

[your pathologist]

i thought we were already here

The grass is probably not going to be greener on the other side.
That just how life seems to work isn't it?

 

[Jenna]

As a lifelong active christen, I've been taught that killing oneself is the same a murder and the consequences of committing murder in the life after death are the same as suicide. My question is simply, how much pain am I suppose to endure? I could live for 30 more years, and to live with chronic pain like I have now and likely worse as I get older is just unbearable. I may be weak, but I simply don't want to live like this anymore.

I agree with you. All of this makes me feel so guilty and against everything I have ever believed. I can't imagine 5 more years of this. I look at Rick Warrens son and have a hard time believing he wasn't saved.

 

[blindstatue]

I personally believe you travel to a point in life that you desire to change/fix. Like a parallel universe where you have an upper hand.

That's a very interesting viewpoint, although I think it sounds too good to be true. :)