Discussion Why you shouldn't worry about traumatizing others with your CTB

[Fengshuiside]

I see many people here concerned with traumatizing innocent people with their suicide. But would people be jumping off buildings in the first place if they were given more peaceful methods or other options?

People do not give a single fuck about anything that doesn't personally affect them in their own lives. It's the sad truth and you see it's the case with every other subject as well. Only the close ones of suicidal people suffer.

Every suicide committed unpublicly is just another number in the already alarming statistics. And even though we have the statistics available to everyone, nothing is done about this issue. Those are just numbers right. As long as people can't see the reality with their own eyes, nothing will change.

Animals are being violently abused in some factories. Is it better to not show it to people because it could inconveniently traumatize them? Should we just always hide the reality from people when it's not nice to look at?

It's also hilarious that when people commit suicide for example with SN, most people's reaction is to blame the method and demand that it's banned instead of focusing on the reason why a person CTB'd and what led up to it.

Oh and these people will also vote against euthanasia. Then they'll start whining how selfish people are being when they jump off buildings or in front of trains. Most aren't interested in why people commit suicide, they just want every measure to be taken in order to make it harder.

I'm not saying anyone should CTB violently and publicly, I just find it weird to choose not to because people could get traumatized.

 

[FuneralCry]

I think that many people ctb in public places as they are desperate and they feel as though they have no other option. To me there is nothing selfish about this, we all have the right to exit this world at a time of our own choosing. The society is the problem, denying us the option of a peaceful exit. It is cruel to expect people to suffer for decades so they end up having to resort to risky and painful methods to end their suffering.

 

[Fengshuiside]

I want to add that the fact that so many people commit suicide daily globally is already a message.

A message that there is something seriously wrong in our society.

A message that is still not strong enough as it's ignored by most people.

 

[WorthlessTrash]

Agreed, honestly.

 

[WhiteRabbit]

I'd still prefer to not traumatize anyone. What if the person who comes across your body is pro-choice? or a they're just a kid?

 

[AllMyDreams]

It seems to me that in modern times, where everyone can read about (and often watch) gore and tragedies as much as they want, it's a lot harder to shock or traumatize people with suicide.

For example: someone set himself on fire in front of the Supreme Court recently as a political protest. He died. Press mentioned it briefly but everyone stopped caring really fast.

In the 1960s, people set themselves on fire to protest communism or the Vietnam War. Those people are still remembered to this day.

 

[_Minsk]

Very good post!

 

[CannotAnymore]

I see many people here concerned with traumatizing innocent people with their suicide. But would people be jumping off buildings in the first place if they were given more peaceful methods or other options?

People do not give a single fuck about anything that doesn't personally affect them in their own lives. It's the sad truth and you see it's the case with every other subject as well. Only the close ones of suicidal people suffer.

Every suicide committed unpublicly is just another number in the already alarming statistics. And even though we have the statistics available to everyone, nothing is done about this issue. Those are just numbers right. As long as people can't see the reality with their own eyes, nothing will change.

Animals are being violently abused in some factories. Is it better to not show it to people because it could inconveniently traumatize them? Should we just always hide the reality from people when it's not nice to look at?

It's also hilarious that when people commit suicide for example with SN, most people's reaction is to blame the method and demand that it's banned instead of focusing on the reason why a person CTB'd and what led up to it.

Oh and these people will also vote against euthanasia. Then they'll start whining how selfish people are being when they jump off buildings or in front of trains. Most aren't interested in why people commit suicide, they just want every measure to be taken in order to make it harder.

I'm not saying anyone should CTB violently and publicly, I just find it weird to choose not to because people could get traumatized.

Because we need to stop grouping all 'people' in the same category..... There are people that care, there are good, wonderful, amazing, beautiful people in this world. Just because I don't want to live anymore doesn't mean I want to hurt other people.

One of the reasons I want to go is because of how people have treated me but still I don't wish bad on anyone. I just wish we could evolve or change.

I have told several people about my plan to go and no one believes me anyway. I am going for SN and I am going to 'hopefully' go as peacefully as possible in my bed. I plan to lay a tarp down to ensure little clean up just wrap me up and to the incinerator. No funeral, No posts on FB, No announcements unless someone asks about me. I just want to be done.

 

[Ethereal Knight]

excelent post, OP. i agree with it so much, it's almost as if I wrote it.

 

[shrek34]

I see many people here concerned with traumatizing innocent people with their suicide. But would people be jumping off buildings in the first place if they were given more peaceful methods or other options?

People do not give a single fuck about anything that doesn't personally affect them in their own lives. It's the sad truth and you see it's the case with every other subject as well. Only the close ones of suicidal people suffer.

Every suicide committed unpublicly is just another number in the already alarming statistics. And even though we have the statistics available to everyone, nothing is done about this issue. Those are just numbers right. As long as people can't see the reality with their own eyes, nothing will change.

Animals are being violently abused in some factories. Is it better to not show it to people because it could inconveniently traumatize them? Should we just always hide the reality from people when it's not nice to look at?

It's also hilarious that when people commit suicide for example with SN, most people's reaction is to blame the method and demand that it's banned instead of focusing on the reason why a person CTB'd and what led up to it.

Oh and these people will also vote against euthanasia. Then they'll start whining how selfish people are being when they jump off buildings or in front of trains. Most aren't interested in why people commit suicide, they just want every measure to be taken in order to make it harder.

I'm not saying anyone should CTB violently and publicly, I just find it weird to choose not to because people could get traumatized.

Incredibly well put. You see this with many other parts of society, such as a larger police presence in poorer communities with more crime instead of using that funding for education and help fix people's lives. People always focus on the symptoms, not the cause.

 

[its-about-time]

"People do not give a single fuck about anything that doesn't personally affect them in their own lives."

Well… that's kind of exactly what people are worried about when involving "innocent people." It MAKES it affect them. They may not give a fuck about you and not know you, but if they for instance had your body smack the pavement as they're walking to the store from 25 stories up, it's now their problem. They will be traumatized. Same with the train driver, or whatever other public situation you can think of. Many people will get some level of trauma from even discovering an intact recent corpse.

It's okay to care about that. You don't have to, but I don't think telling suicidal people who do care that no stranger gives enough of a fuck about them to even be traumatized by witnessing their death is very… erm… nice.

 

[WorthlessTrash]

I think society needs a wake up call. We need euthanasia legalized so people don't have to resort to this.

Society needs to understand that meds, therapy and copium can't cure everyone.

 

[Hirokami]

While I can understand how seeing a suicide attempt (let alone a dead body) could be shocking, it's still a sign of a society that continues to fail people. People do not have suicidal ideations by choice, after all. One would think that public suicide, as frequent as it happens, would alert the public that our society needs to do a lot better. Alas, the focus is primarily on those who attempted and died by it.

If one wants to decrease public suicides, then tangible action needs to be taken. Easier access to decent medical and psychological help could be useful, sure. Having easier and legal access to more humane ctb methods can be just as helpful, though, if not more so depending on the person. I would wager that the average person would take N over jumping off a bridge, though the latter is a lot more accessible to most.

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

People would not resort to public acts of suicide if they were not desperate. Someone posted a link in the off topic section with an archaic looking site that reports on bridge jumpers at a notable location.

A reoccurring theme, I noticed, was that those who failed to jump were getting put in police cars in handcuffs, and those who had died had years of incurable struggles. Those who did not survive the jump were ostracised by many facebook commenters and the site admin- who I assume, must be some sort of voyeur with morbid curiosity to be so obsessed with maintaining a website about public ctb whilst constantly dunking on the deceased.

It is unpleasant to think about. The sight is gory and terrible. Bystanders should not have to witness violent deaths and be subjected to trauma in the wake of such a gruesome event. However, I do not think this phenomenon will ever stop as long as suicide is characterised as a de facto criminal behaviour and outlawed completely in most countries. Do these jumpers resort to such methods because they see it as the only feasible way out? I believe so.

How many of these public suicides are happening in countries where euthanasia is legal, especially when there are no caveats for the type of suffering you must present with to be granted the legal right to die. For younger people ( < 60) with chronic, non-termimal llnesses, it is highly unlikely you would be accepted for assisted/sanctioned ctb anywhere, with the exception of Pegasos (who still discriminate based on age, mind you.)

Take away the criminalization and desperation surrounding suicide, and the amount of jumpers would decrease dramatically. They do not act with consideration in those moments, because they truly feel that is their only option. How many of those people have access to the resources/information about less extreme methods that members of this site do? Not very many.

 

[Fengshuiside]

It seems to me that in modern times, where everyone can read about (and often watch) gore and tragedies as much as they want, it's a lot harder to shock or traumatize people with suicide.

For example: someone set himself on fire in front of the Supreme Court recently as a political protest. He died. Press mentioned it briefly but everyone stopped caring really fast.

In the 1960s, people set themselves on fire to protest communism or the Vietnam War. Those people are still remembered to this day.

This is true. The amount of violent entertainment accessible to young kids definitely strongly desensitizes them to violence and gore.

Honestly imo this just is something that proves further that you shouldn't worry about traumatizing others with your death. Chances are there will be just kids taking selfies with your dead body and posting it on social media, "OMG SOMEONE JUST JUMPED OFF A BUILDING LOL!" then calling for an ambulance after googling how to do so.

 

[AllMyDreams]

This is true. The amount of violent entertainment accessible to young kids definitely strongly desensitizes them to violence and gore.

Honestly imo this just is something that proves further that you shouldn't worry about traumatizing others with your death. Chances are there will be just kids taking selfies with your dead body and posting it on social media, "OMG SOMEONE JUST JUMPED OFF A BUILDING LOL!" then calling for an ambulance after googling how to do so.

Agreed, and not just entertainment for kids, but for adults too (eg. true crime content is everywhere).

Regardless though- I definitely think lots of people would still be traumatized if you jumped in front of them. Remember, they might be older and less desensitized to gore, or they might have existing PTSD that you could trigger severely. So please do keep that in mind.

 

[Feeding Pigeons]

I'd still prefer to not traumatize anyone. What if the person who comes across your body is pro-choice? or a they're just a kid?

I agree with you, just without exceptions. If/when I CTB it would be to stop my own pain, I wouldn't want it to be weaponized, even against someone evil, because that was never the point.

However, I get what OP is saying. If I didn't have an option to CTB privately, I would do it publicly.

I understand that OP is saying that you should not be concerned about the impact you will have on people who never cared about you in the first place, but I don't think anyone gives a shit. When it comes to this topic in particular, it seems that society will take every measure necessary to sweep it under the rug and leave it unsolved. Nobody wants to make progression on mental healthcare even though its been overwhelmingly proven to be ineffective.

Look at how a society treats its weakest and you will know everything. CTB shouldn't be done spitefully for the sake of the person themselves. I don't think anything is going to change.

 

[Fengshuiside]

Because we need to stop grouping all 'people' in the same category..... There are people that care, there are good, wonderful, amazing, beautiful people in this world. Just because I don't want to live anymore doesn't mean I want to hurt other people.

One of the reasons I want to go is because of how people have treated me but still I don't wish bad on anyone. I just wish we could evolve or change.

I have told several people about my plan to go and no one believes me anyway. I am going for SN and I am going to 'hopefully' go as peacefully as possible in my bed. I plan to lay a tarp down to ensure little clean up just wrap me up and to the incinerator. No funeral, No posts on FB, No announcements unless someone asks about me. I just want to be done.

Not everyone is the same, I did generalize thanks for pointing out. However, is not everones problem if the society we all live in is so twisted that a lot of people exit by their own hand?

You said it yourself. Don't you feel invisible to everyone already? Want to be invisible to the end?

 

[CannotAnymore]

Not everyone is the same, I did generalize thanks for pointing out. However, is not everones problem if the society we all live in is so twisted that a lot of people exit by their own hand?

You said it yourself. Don't you feel invisible to everyone already? Want to be invisible to the end?

I am not sure if we are straying from the original question. I am not a fan of violence and trauma.

I mean at the end of the day aren't we all 'invisible'. I don't care about being seen. I don't want to traumatize anyone or hurt anyone.

I just want to go to sleep and not wake up. Please choose these methods because there is no safe space to make this decision. You have to wait until you are in peak mental distress so you can convince yourself to throw 2 middle fingers up to SI and put on a show.

For me, I have been traumatized due to the decisions and actions of others. I don't want to hurt anyone.

 

[YourNeighbor]

Translation: some people in this world are unfeeling assholes. To get back at them, I suggest being an unfeeling asshole toward random strangers who may or may not be unfeeling assholes.

That's some next-level one-dimensional chess you're playing there, grasshopper.

 

[Fengshuiside]

"People do not give a single fuck about anything that doesn't personally affect them in their own lives."

Well… that's kind of exactly what people are worried about when involving "innocent people." It MAKES it affect them. They may not give a fuck about you and not know you, but if they for instance had your body smack the pavement as they're walking to the store from 25 stories up, it's now their problem. They will be traumatized. Same with the train driver, or whatever other public situation you can think of. Many people will get some level of trauma from even discovering an intact recent corpse.

It's okay to care about that. You don't have to, but I don't think telling suicidal people who do care that no stranger gives enough of a fuck about them to even be traumatized by witnessing their death is very… erm… nice.

I mean it's not ideal. The thing is, this is the issue. Most people don't care about it enough so that people had alternatives so they wouldn't have to resort to violent methods. So what the fuck, are we supposed to just keep on ending our lives with violent as fuck methods in our homes?

Like I said it above, Im frustrated that things are so fucked up that the suicide rate is insanely high, yet nothing is done about it. There is already a message, that something is really messed up in society. Nothings happening.

If you want to go silently and keep it this way, sure. At least those that go publicly have an impact that might eventually make it so that this no longer needs happen. I'm aware this way of thinking is malevolent.

It sucks that a lot of people only cares about certain issues after it personally is shown to them/affects them, but sometimes(most of the time) for anything to change this is needed.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts though. This is just how I currently see it.

While I can understand how seeing a suicide attempt (let alone a dead body) could be shocking, it's still a sign of a society that continues to fail people. People do not have suicidal ideations by choice, after all. One would think that public suicide, as frequent as it happens, would alert the public that our society needs to do a lot better. Alas, the focus is primarily on those who attempted and died by it.

If one wants to decrease public suicides, then tangible action needs to be taken. Easier access to decent medical and psychological help could be useful, sure. Having easier and legal access to more humane ctb methods can be just as helpful, though, if not more so depending on the person. I would wager that the average person would take N over jumping off a bridge, though the latter is a lot more accessible to most.

I'm answering to this because I did not properly bring this up.

I think first and foremost we should be focusing on getting help for people that need it. So that we would actually prevent these situations where individuals see no other option but to CTB.

But next it would be important to give safer/more peaceful options to CTB. I never got help as a kid. And once I got it was fucking antidepressants that fucked me up even more. Because where I live, you can't get psychotherapy until you have an antidepressant that "works" LOL! I got played.

 

[Ta555]

I'm only worried about traumatising my family.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Animals are being violently abused in some factories. Is it better to not show it to people because it could inconveniently traumatize them? Should we just always hide the reality from people when it's not nice to look at?

The news media has been doing this kind of thing for years and years. They censor the content so as not to offend. Hell, they put warnings up on the screen and even say that what they are about to show you "may be disturbing to some viewers". But, when you look at the content, they have everything censored anyway! How can you possibly make any meaningful changes in the world when you won't even show people what the real world looks like? There are plenty of campaigns against suicide, at least in the USA. There's a 1-800 to call if you decide that you need help. Not sure how effective that is. Personally, I don't have anybody to traumatize. But, the method I choose isn't going to be any type of a blood and gore one, either. I think it should be standard policy to show the horrors of war in ALL of its bloody detail, as well as the end results of all suicides, no matter how disturbing. Let the media give a brief warning before airing anything for those that don't want to watch, but SHOW EVERYTHING! That's the ONLY way that any headway is going to be made in fixing the real problems in this world.

 

[WorthlessTrash]

Kelli Wilson will disagree.

Whomst?

 

[piger]

I see many people here concerned with traumatizing innocent people with their suicide. But would people be jumping off buildings in the first place if they were given more peaceful methods or other options?

People do not give a single fuck about anything that doesn't personally affect them in their own lives. It's the sad truth and you see it's the case with every other subject as well. Only the close ones of suicidal people suffer.

Every suicide committed unpublicly is just another number in the already alarming statistics. And even though we have the statistics available to everyone, nothing is done about this issue. Those are just numbers right. As long as people can't see the reality with their own eyes, nothing will change.

Animals are being violently abused in some factories. Is it better to not show it to people because it could inconveniently traumatize them? Should we just always hide the reality from people when it's not nice to look at?

It's also hilarious that when people commit suicide for example with SN, most people's reaction is to blame the method and demand that it's banned instead of focusing on the reason why a person CTB'd and what led up to it.

Oh and these people will also vote against euthanasia. Then they'll start whining how selfish people are being when they jump off buildings or in front of trains. Most aren't interested in why people commit suicide, they just want every measure to be taken in order to make it harder.

I'm not saying anyone should CTB violently and publicly, I just find it weird to choose not to because people could get traumatized.

honestly this lack of care is why ideally I want to hang myself off the Golden Gate Bridge suicide net. Those fuckers can't stop me. They won't be able to look away and will not have fun trying to get me up or down! It'll be goddamn hilarious

 

[WorthlessTrash]

I think first and foremost we should be focusing on getting help for people that need it. So that we would actually prevent these situations where individuals see no other option but to CTB.

What if one doesn't want the help and would rather CTB?

 

[Fengshuiside]

What if one doesn't want the help and would rather CTB?

Well I meant that we shouldn't only focus on making suicide more peaceful/assisted, but ideally also help those that want/need it before things get so rough. But both are important, there are some that can't be helped (terminal/irreversible conditions)

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Like I get it. The way I see this may be malevolent. But I'm so sick of this world. It's only because people have a shitton of ways to distract themselves. Entertainment, bread and circuses etc. that everyone can, and most just happily ignore how fucking insane society we live in. And nothing ever changes.

Is this a thoughful and nice way to have an impact? No. But go ahead and tell me better ways to make anyone care and open their eyes.

 

[Alex6216]

I used to think traumatising strangers was morally wrong but then I realised 99% of these people would gladly make N, SN and other means of CTB 100x harder to get so I dont have much sympathy for them

 

[24601]

I agree with everything you said but what's the end game here. There's nothing society could actually do to reduce suicides. Capitalism and black money dictates the market. People will be people. Fix healthcare? What about people with relationship issues. Fix poverty? Not as easy as you think. It's the human condition. Only thing that can change is potentially making suicides more accessible to all.

 

[WorthlessTrash]

Only thing that can change is potentially making suicides more accessible to all.

Which is not what society wants to do.

Ideally, we should be given the choice of a peaceful exit provided we are rational about our situation. This would minimize the amount of violent and messy suicide attempts, but again Capitalism. Gotta sell people on false hope and COPIUM.