sserafim

sserafim

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Why would anyone want to be a human? I heard that being a human means that you've evolved/ascended in your soul growth and reincarnation journey, and you've reached the level of human and "earned the right to be human", but the realities of human life make me question why anyone would want to incarnate as a human.

Being a cat or dog sounds like a much better life. Human life is just full of responsibilities, worries, obligations, demands, mundane annoying things, pain, sadness, and suffering. I don't think anyone actually enjoys working for a living or paying bills simply to exist, we're all forced to.

Why would anyone willing choose this existence or life for themselves? It makes no sense to me
 
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FuneralCry

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It also would make no sense to me, I see it as a terrible curse having the ability to exist as a conscious being who is capable of suffering so extremely. This species is a mistake to me, I would only ever want eternal non-existence.
 
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Homo erectus

Homo erectus

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I am just thinking: cats and dogs are domesticated, because humans think they are "good". Maybe that's why human existed in the first place.
 
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Homo erectus

Homo erectus

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Some aliens, gods, or lost civilisations, created human as something good or useful by domestication, genetic modification or hybridization.
 
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sserafim

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Some aliens, gods, or lost civilisations, created human as something good or useful by domestication, genetic modification or hybridization.
Well clearly humanity is neither good nor useful, so…whoever created us made a mistake in doing so
 
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Shiva_Story

Shiva_Story

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there is so many stray cats and dog in Asia, it's only the privileged ones that are well taken care of.. got to win an incarnation lottery for that.

human is the only animal with ability to use tools .. an ideal worker.. i think we are bred and educated to serve this purpose.
ending up working as a slave for government, the bank, employer and taxed on every notion of income every step of the way is somehow omitted from T&C's or well hidden in the devil of the details.
 
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there is so many stray cats and dog in Asia, it's only the privileged ones that are well taken care of.. got to win an incarnation lottery for that.

human is the only animal with ability to use tools .. an ideal worker.. i think we are bred and educated to serve this purpose.
ending up working as a slave for government, the bank, employer and taxed on every notion of income every step of the way is somehow omitted from T&C's or well hidden in the devil of the details.
I hate that we're basically bred and educated to be workers. I hate the thought or idea of having to work for a living and paying taxes is my biggest fear. I hate that we're basically modern day slaves. One of my main reasons to ctb is to escape ever having to enter the working world or workforce. Life as a human is just so pointless, after college you just work and slave away at a job for 50 years. That's not meaningful or fulfilling at all. I hate society and how it's structured. I just hate capitalism in general tbh
 
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Shiva_Story

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i understand where you are coming from.
slavery never died, it just changed form & ctb sounds like a way out of it.
capitalism incentivizes exploitation in search of profit while governments maintain monopoly on violence and banks print money out of thin air.
it would be great if the media actually helped us make mutual connections instead of systematically feeding on our dopamine feedback loop with novel forms of garbage.. society is well enroute to dystopia of 1984
 
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DEATH IS FREEDOM

DEATH IS FREEDOM

Death is the solution to unsolvable problems.
Sep 13, 2023
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Our parent should not have had children. That is the problem. Antinatalism is the only rational philosophy.
 
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Brown-Jacket Revy

Brown-Jacket Revy

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Jul 10, 2023
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I've heard that as well, from esotericists such as Gigi Young - that everything wants to be human.

That's why "mythical" creatures such as Centaurs were mentioned in folklore - they were stuck in the process of evolution because something stunted their spiritual growth.

I don't know what it is about us that's so special, but I know that TPTB running the circus think we're significant enough to keep us trapped here in this matrix.
 
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Erik.t.f

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let's be honest most people do enjoy many things in life becuse life is not that bad but many do just have bad luck in life, if you wasn't sick or whatever your problem is you probably would not consider CTB as an alternativ

i dont see life as the problem, the problem is all the suffering in the word

point is yeah life suck but its becuse you are simliy unlucky so you got a shity life insted of a god life and nobody exsept yourself is stoping you from CTB
 
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Lys_C15H25N3O_d3

Lys_C15H25N3O_d3

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Sep 19, 2023
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the only time i had been "temple going" "honest".. a japanese current of buddhism said "it was something very good being human etc etc etc " while not stricting *maybe straight on condemning suicide due to japan's social "code of honor" ( if people, lets suppose fail their family go bankrupt or something "that would make them lose honor " yknow....
but thinking about this "being" stuff? i'll take a raincheck on that one, better "not" "choose" neither be scottish rite methaphisical subjects existence is a tragedy only avoidable by "another tragedy"... but what would matter? paradoxical
 
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Homo erectus

Homo erectus

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Well clearly humanity is neither good nor useful, so…whoever created us made a mistake in doing so
Their "good" is not necessary human good. A hero needs a disaster to be a hero. Humanity is a disaster.
let's be honest most people do enjoy many things in life becuse life is not that bad but many do just have bad luck in life, if you wasn't sick or whatever your problem is you probably would not consider CTB as an alternativ

i dont see life as the problem, the problem is all the suffering in the word

point is yeah life suck but its becuse you are simliy unlucky so you got a shity life insted of a god life and nobody exsept yourself is stoping you from CTB
Yes, if afterlife is true, or if there are higher dimensions of existence, then suffering is very much just everywhere. It raises the question if ctb really changes any of the big picture.
there is so many stray cats and dog in Asia, it's only the privileged ones that are well taken care of.. got to win an incarnation lottery for that.

human is the only animal with ability to use tools .. an ideal worker.. i think we are bred and educated to serve this purpose.
ending up working as a slave for government, the bank, employer and taxed on every notion of income every step of the way is somehow omitted from T&C's or well hidden in the devil of the details.
It is difficult to accept that those in power ruling humanity are also fellow humans, part of us. People come up with all sorts of supernatural explanation for their rulers' success. Hence, UFO, aliens, lost civilizations, deities. The questions remain: what is the level of technology or civilization of these external helpers. If there are so good, why do they need humans? Are they also advancing in their own technology and civilization, or in a stable state? Can human technology one day surpass alien technology?
I hate that we're basically bred and educated to be workers. I hate the thought or idea of having to work for a living and paying taxes is my biggest fear. I hate that we're basically modern day slaves. One of my main reasons to ctb is to escape ever having to enter the working world or workforce. Life as a human is just so pointless, after college you just work and slave away at a job for 50 years. That's not meaningful or fulfilling at all. I hate society and how it's structured. I just hate capitalism in general tbh
The world is in such a bad state. Does it mean that the powerful rulers of the world are also groping in the dark. There are powerful, but not omnipotent. The omnipotent One doesn't care about the suffering of humanity, because it is part of the goodness of His overall perfect scheme.
 
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wildflowers1996

wildflowers1996

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It sounds really shallow but I feel like life would be fun if I were beautiful and talented
 
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executioner1983

executioner1983

death is sustainable
Oct 2, 2023
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Why would anyone want to be a human? I heard that being a human means that you've evolved/ascended in your soul growth and reincarnation journey, and you've reached the level of human and "earned the right to be human", but the realities of human life make me question why anyone would want to incarnate as a human.

Being a cat or dog sounds like a much better life. Human life is just full of responsibilities, worries, obligations, demands, mundane annoying things, pain, sadness, and suffering. I don't think anyone actually enjoys working for a living or paying bills simply to exist, we're all forced to.

Why would anyone willing choose this existence or life for themselves? It makes no sense to me
Being human doesn't directly entail working for a living and paying bills to exist. These are just things forced onto us, but it's not apart of our humanness. Being human is great; being apart of a society that doesn't value our well-being is the not so great part. I like my body in this human form, I can do a lot of great things with it, and I like my human brain, I can do a lot of great things with it as well. At its core, being human is amazing, the world just makes it very easy to forget.
 
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Don’tDoxMe

Don’tDoxMe

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Oct 19, 2023
75
I'm an otherkin, so I definitely would choose to have the body of my kintype if it were possible
 
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icari

icari

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Oct 24, 2023
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I think human existence is probably preferable to that of all other species we are aware of; with the exception of well cared for domestic cats and dogs. They seem to get the best of both worlds.
 
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tiger b

tiger b

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Cats definitely rule lol

Maybe we're just all giving it a try, who knows.
 
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sserafim

sserafim

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I'm an otherkin, so I definitely would choose to have the body of my kintype if it were possible
Someone on here said I was probably a cat therian/otherkin.
I think human existence is probably preferable to that of all other species we are aware of; with the exception of well cared for domestic cats and dogs. They seem to get the best of both worlds.
I honestly wish I could've been a well-cared for cat in this lifetime. I think being a cat would be much better than being a human.

Why do you think human existence is preferable to all other species? I see no objective benefits to being a human other than being at the top of the food chain. I think that being a human even has drawbacks, no other animal has to work for a living or pay to exist on this planet, only humans. I think humans make life unnecessarily hard for themselves and create many artificial systems and structures like money, society, and capitalism. We're forced to live under and be a part of these systems with no way out.
Being human doesn't directly entail working for a living and paying bills to exist. These are just things forced onto us, but it's not apart of our humanness. Being human is great; being apart of a society that doesn't value our well-being is the not so great part. I like my body in this human form, I can do a lot of great things with it, and I like my human brain, I can do a lot of great things with it as well. At its core, being human is amazing, the world just makes it very easy to forget.
Yeah but like we're all forced to do these things and to live under society and capitalism, it's not like we have another choice. Being a human means being a part of society because humans are social animals by nature. Being a human means having to work for a living and pay bills because humanity invented money and made everything on this planet cost money. Therefore, to exist, we have to do these things (against our will). I think that having to do these things is just part of human life and life as a human, and I wish it weren't.
 
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rabid_aspie_yokai

rabid_aspie_yokai

fluffy nonhuman
Mar 23, 2023
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The only good things about being human are:
1 videogames
2 food and spices
3 companion animals/pets
That's all in my opinion, everything else is sh!t. And even these three are privileges
 
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Forever Sleep

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Maybe it's a kill or be killed thing. How many animals do you suppose live easy lives? Especially with us to contend with! I get what you mean but just the same- would I want to incarnate as a whale and get caught up in fishing lines or get caught or have my children get caught and made to perform in a bathtub of a pool at SeaWorld? Or- incarnate as a battery hen or a koala with my habitat on fire? I don't think there are many 'easy' choices on this planet. We've f*cked everything up for everything! Maybe the best animal would be one that has a very short lifespan- just get it over with as fast as possible!

If it's reincarnation we are talking about though- then- that's mainly Buddhism isn't it? In which case- isn't there some kind of set goal that you have to be a human in order to achieve? Almost like- you need to be given self awareness, consciousness, ego- in order to be able to rise above it all and reach enlightenment? Maybe it's cheating if you are a jellyfish and have none of those attributes to conquer. But then- that's partly why I don't warm to any orthodox religions- they all seem to be about working against how we were designed. Seems sadistic to me- if there is a God behind it all- why give us all these 'undesirable' traits if you're then going to tell us that they are wrong?!!

In terms of religion though- I think it's more likely that wise men made them up to try and control our more unruly characteristics, make us manageable in large societies but also to help us live happier lives in some ways. Things like meditation are no doubt intended to help people.
 
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I think that being bound to matter is what causes pain. Both animals and humans suffer in a more or less similar way.
Existance in a higher realm without material boundaries might be something different.
 
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DarkRange55

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I hate that we're basically bred and educated to be workers. I hate the thought or idea of having to work for a living and paying taxes is my biggest fear. I hate that we're basically modern day slaves. One of my main reasons to ctb is to escape ever having to enter the working world or workforce. Life as a human is just so pointless, after college you just work and slave away at a job for 50 years. That's not meaningful or fulfilling at all. I hate society and how it's structured. I just hate capitalism in general tbh
That seems to be the existence of all animals. You need to secure territory, find food, find a mate, escape predators, deal with weather, ect. Evolutionary pressures of your environment. 🤷‍♀️ I do know a lot of trust fund kids though 🤔
Maybe it's a kill or be killed thing. How many animals do you suppose live easy lives? Especially with us to contend with! I get what you mean but just the same- would I want to incarnate as a whale and get caught up in fishing lines or get caught or have my children get caught and made to perform in a bathtub of a pool at SeaWorld? Or- incarnate as a battery hen or a koala with my habitat on fire? I don't think there are many 'easy' choices on this planet. We've f*cked everything up for everything! Maybe the best animal would be one that has a very short lifespan- just get it over with as fast as possible!

If it's reincarnation we are talking about though- then- that's mainly Buddhism isn't it? In which case- isn't there some kind of set goal that you have to be a human in order to achieve? Almost like- you need to be given self awareness, consciousness, ego- in order to be able to rise above it all and reach enlightenment? Maybe it's cheating if you are a jellyfish and have none of those attributes to conquer. But then- that's partly why I don't warm to any orthodox religions- they all seem to be about working against how we were designed. Seems sadistic to me- if there is a God behind it all- why give us all these 'undesirable' traits if you're then going to tell us that they are wrong?!!

In terms of religion though- I think it's more likely that wise men made them up to try and control our more unruly characteristics, make us manageable in large societies but also to help us live happier lives in some ways. Things like meditation are no doubt intended to help people.
Reincarnation is also a big part of Hinduism, too.
 
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That seems to be the existence of all animals. You need to secure territory, find food, find a mate, escape predators, deal with weather, ect. Evolutionary pressures of your environment. 🤷‍♀️ I do know a lot of trust fund kids though 🤔

Reincarnation is also a big part of Hinduism, too.
What's the point of living/being alive then? Existence sounds like so much work for nothing. It seems like a pointless struggle. All animals will eventually die anyways so what's the point of experiencing the struggle for survival? What do you gain/achieve out of it? In the end it wouldn't have even mattered anyways because death is inevitable. Every living creature will die, that's a part of life.

If we are all souls that were from source then why did we have to experience life? If we used to be part of source and were already perfect, enlightened beings, then what's the point of being on earth where it's basically just a game of competition and survival? I don't understand what the point of experiencing this is.

Also, how were souls created in the first place? Like where did they come from and why?
I think that being bound to matter is what causes pain. Both animals and humans suffer in a more or less similar way.
Existance in a higher realm without material boundaries might be something different.
Wdym? Could you elaborate on that? Like the spirit world/realm? How do you access it?
 
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Lost in a Dream

Lost in a Dream

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I think if I could've chosen beforehand what kind of world or reality I was going to exist in, and have the ability to make a different choice later, maybe existing as a human wouldn't be so bad. Imagine if you could experience only the good parts of human existence, but without the bad things. It makes me wish that was our reality.

In this world, I'm not sure I would want to exist as any other living thing either. Imagine reincarnating as an insect and becoming prey to parasitic wasp larvae. I'm hoping and praying for nonexistence after I get out of here, but it scares me knowing that there are other possibilities.
 
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Captive_Mind515

Captive_Mind515

King or street sweeper, dance with grim reaper!
Jul 18, 2023
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This planet is a big living organism. It's possible that humans are just one of it's favourite food sources, hence why there is so many of us. We're probably quite a tasty meal for mother nature. And she has an insatiable appetite!
 
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DarkRange55

DarkRange55

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In a sense, I suppose you could boil life down to nothing more than a struggle for survival on a primal level.
As far as the "purpose" of life? Well from a biological perspective, propagate the species. That would be the evolutionary purpose in life as an animal on this planet, reproduction.
If you're talking about from a philosophical point of view? The meaning of life to me is wisdom and love as much as possible. It's really not a "meaning" but really what I want to do with my life, is to learn and experience as much as possible. I strive for 80% of my life to be heaven on earth, since 100% is unrealistic and struggle builds character. I want to eventually start a small charity for animals. I'd rather have some meaning in my life and this is how I get it.

I would say the point of life is enjoyment, work (for a cause, something bigger than yourself, ect) which can help create a sense of meaning for many people, love, social life, ect. Passion for something. Look at Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs and self actualization is at the top - higher purpose. For many people thats having kids and grandkids. I personally believe life is special and valuable because it's so short. And I don't want to waste it.

I would like to say I'm a hopeless romantic with the human species. I hate most people but most people are mindless drones. But I am inspired by inventors, artists, innovators, ect. I hope that humanity will usher itself into a sublime position one day.

Mankind's greatest burden is unfulfilled potential. I truly believe that. Be not as you are, but as you should be. (A little Guardians of the Galaxy quote 😉)

I mean thats just my personal take it. I think everyone needs to find (or create) their own meaning. I'm at peace with myself. I actually enjoy my life, I'm quite happy. I think it's quite possible. Maybe not for every single person but I enjoy my family and friends and I want to work to create a better local environment and community for my family. I don't expect to change the world but at least have some impact on a tiny local scale. Idk 🤷‍♀️
I would just also say I'm personally motivated by freedom/momentum/movement out of the 4 M's.
What's the point of living/being alive then? Existence sounds like so much work for nothing. It seems like a pointless struggle. All animals will eventually die anyways so what's the point of experiencing the struggle for survival? What do you gain/achieve out of it? In the end it wouldn't have even mattered anyways because death is inevitable. Every living creature will die, that's a part of life.

If we are all souls that were from source then why did we have to experience life? If we used to be part of source and were already perfect, enlightened beings, then what's the point of being on earth where it's basically just a game of competition and survival? I don't understand what the point of experiencing this is.

Also, how were souls created in the first place? Like where did they come from and why?

Wdym? Could you elaborate on that? Like the spirit world/realm? How do you access it?

I wanted a life of freedom, I wanted a life of travel. I like nature so I wanna be around farms but I also like the excitement of a city so I also wanna be around a city. Money's not the most important thing in the world but without you can't do the stuff that you love, you can't help other people. Money is a motivator but even more than that its one of the keys to freedom. Not the only one. Don't get me wrong. Money alone won't make you happy. To me, more important than this, without a doubt is freedom. If I had a choice between them, I'd always take the life thats more enjoyable - traveling the world, seeing new things, meeting new people.
For me, its a mix of, a little bit of materialistic things, some nonmaterialtisic things like freedom and travel. Ability to help other people, my family, help charity. That mix gets me out of bed everyday.
What's the point of living/being alive then? Existence sounds like so much work for nothing. It seems like a pointless struggle. All animals will eventually die anyways so what's the point of experiencing the struggle for survival? What do you gain/achieve out of it? In the end it wouldn't have even mattered anyways because death is inevitable. Every living creature will die, that's a part of life.

If we are all souls that were from source then why did we have to experience life? If we used to be part of source and were already perfect, enlightened beings, then what's the point of being on earth where it's basically just a game of competition and survival? I don't understand what the point of experiencing this is.

Also, how were souls created in the first place? Like where did they come from and why?

Wdym? Could you elaborate on that? Like the spirit world/realm? How do you access it?
Some living species actually do not feel pain. See

What's the point of living/being alive then? Existence sounds like so much work for nothing. It seems like a pointless struggle. All animals will eventually die anyways so what's the point of experiencing the struggle for survival? What do you gain/achieve out of it? In the end it wouldn't have even mattered anyways because death is inevitable. Every living creature will die, that's a part of life.

If we are all souls that were from source then why did we have to experience life? If we used to be part of source and were already perfect, enlightened beings, then what's the point of being on earth where it's basically just a game of competition and survival? I don't understand what the point of experiencing this is.

Also, how were souls created in the first place? Like where did they come from and why?

Wdym? Could you elaborate on that? Like the spirit world/realm? How do you access it?
Also, as a follow up for your first question, I would recommend reading happiness hypothesis by Jonathan Hydth (or whatever) he basically takes cutting edge, neuroscience and ancient philosophy and religious wisdom and psychology and actually has a very interesting perspective
 
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