Why The Recovery Sub?

[TheGoodGuy]

Its not complete bullshit pal. Everyone i know IRL who have attempted suicide survived but that is only limited to 3 people. But those 3 people are happy they survived. One of them includes my sister-in-law. You are painting a black and white picture of suicidal people here.

Now I am curious you sound pretty pro-life so what would stop you from "saving" a man from hanging himself or jump from a building? The reason behind pro-life is the belief that people can get better which you believe so what seperates the ones you would agree should kill themselves and those who should not?

 

[calendulo]

Thanks for this thread. It is very clarifying.

I did know that there are guys who think about suicide or kill himself is a kind of right, maybe human right, generic for everybody. Where come from that theories?........and talking about phases of suicide like not to was an ending itself.

Nobody deserves to die without have lived before. Nobody deserves to die aged 20 or 25, having one just shitty problem. Better talking, I think so.

You have 20 years and depression caused any reason for.......... and you have a supposed right to die. Do anyone here think on this way?.

Different thing is 60 years and to be sick and tired, alone and ...... somehow, fucked!. That is!

IMHO..They are closer to call prokillers, so closer.

I swear that I did know. Awesome.

 

[Shamana]

Now I am curious you sound pretty pro-life so what would stop you from "saving" a man from hanging himself or jump from a building? The reason behind pro-life is the belief that people can get better which you believe so what seperates the ones you would agree should kill themselves and those who should not?

I am actually pretty pro-life. Personally it's something I consider a quality and not an insult. To be honest I think it's pretty sick and twisted that it's an insult in here. IRL I would probably try to help people from not comitting suicide I if had the power to intervene. If I meet a person who's depressed, I don't direct them to here or give them advice how to kill themselves. In general unless people are stuck in a geniunely hopeless and painfull situation i would try to talk them out of it. And I feel euthanisia should be legal for those stuck in pretty hopelss and painfull situations.

I believe some can get better and a believe some probably can't. It's impossible to generalize. I know people do not come to this site to be dissuaded so generally don't try an talk people out of it unless their reasons for comitting suicide seem really bad from the information they share.

Now I am curious you sound pretty pro-life so what would stop you from "saving" a man from hanging himself or jump from a building? The reason behind pro-life is the belief that people can get better which you believe so what seperates the ones you would agree should kill themselves and those who should not?

Hej fra en dansker forresten :)

 

[Darkhaven]

Why not?
No one is forced to go there.
And it also gives us some protection against the accusations of being a site made up of lunatics trying to make people ctb.

 

[sunny.sativa]

Why you mad?

It's not like you're forced to join the recoverers. Be happy for others and sulk on your own instead of being hateful.

This is a PRO. CHOICE. forum. As much as you want it to be pro-suicide, it frankly isn't. We support everyone here, whatever their desires may be.

 

[Morphinekiss]

My ctb date is, for now, years away. But I am still pro-choice and still have dark things to talk about. I don't mind the recovery subforum because if someone can say something that helps make the next 10-15 years more bearable I'll be grateful.

I'm one of those that has tried going to pro-life/recovery places and immediately get booted because of my pro-choice stance and eventual end of life plans.

 

[k75]

Because as with many other members we struggle with courage to ctb and I CAN´T RECOVER !!!! I have physical problems the doctors can´t fix so I live a terrible existence so what good is a recovery forum for me!!?? I doubt it will heal my physically defect body.

This is a very intolerant mindset. And it's incredibly toxic. What you're basically saying is, "I can't live, so everyone else should suffer with me."

I don't think having that forum is going to take anything away from you at all, and just because it's no good to you doesn't mean it won't help someone else. Since I've been here, I've seen a surprising amount of people say that they actually were giving life a second chance or that they're not actively suicidal but still wanted to be here.

If anyone can manage to keep on living and decides to get better despite whatever brought them here, I think that's a good thing.

I'm going to die and my reasons for that are very permanent, but I don't want it to be that way. I wish I wasn't broken like I am, and I wish my life wasn't being stolen from me. But I'm not bitter. I don't I think that just because I can't go on, nobody else should have the chance to.

 

[Jean Améry]

I've chatted with a few who have given up on suicide for now and felt sucked in by the culture and atmosphere here.

Seriously? You mean to say these people are somehow addicted to SS and can't leave even if they wanted to? Care to explain how this happens?

Everyone who feels this forum is detrimental to them shouldn't whine about it but simply leave. This is about as stupid as an addict blaming drugs for his problems.

Of course your hearsay is about as credible as your buddhist mumbo jumbo.

 

[jake3d]

If I meet a person who's depressed, I don't direct them to here or give them advice how to kill themselves.

Well, I haven't directed anyone else to here, either. People will find the things they are looking for on their own.

 

[Shamana]

Seriously? You mean to say these people are somehow addicted to SS and can't leave even if they wanted to? Care to explain how this happens?

Everyone who feels this forum is detrimental to them shouldn't whine about it but simply leave. This is about as stupid as an addict blaming drugs for his problems.

Of course your hearsay is about as credible as your buddhist mumbo jumbo.

People get sucked into stuff all the time. Even adults. And yes they have left, but that doesn't mean they are not entitled to have an opinion about it. I would prefer to discuss my buddhist mumbo jumbo in a different thread.

 

[FF777]

Seriously why?

My good man, I understand where you are coming from.. I think you had a certain perception of what this place is like in your mind, and the addition of the new recovery forum shatters that perception you had, and you are scared that it is some how going to morph in to some kind of pro-life anti-suicide place..

First, I don't think it is any kind of dinner bell ringing for pro-life people to join here; The rules on this site are still the same (no proselytizing).. I don't think pro-lifers would last too long here.. If that really started happening, I can imagine the admins would have a talk and might decide it is best to remove the recovery forum.. But until that happens, I don't see a problem with it being there for the time being..

Second, like other people have stated, it seems that you are generalizing suicidal people in to one type of cookie-cutter type, and thinking that if they have truly reached a state of being suicidal that there is no possible way to recover from it or else "they weren't really suicidal"..
People here come from all walks of life, all ages....They are experiencing many various problems, many different time spans of suffering, different mentalities, different personalities, and what might not work for you personally might actually work for some one else..

Third, if seeing the forum triggers you, you can use that piece of code some one posted to get rid of it.. (There are other ways of removing it too, but I won't mention those here).. And as far as recovery threads appearing in the New area: You will probably rarely even see recovery threads compared to how many other people use the normal other threads to talk on.....Plus I don't even use the New box personally....It is tiny and doesn't show you very much....It is probably best just to go in to a forum and see what the new posts are from there..

And, I don't think hardly any one here is pro-life that much...especially not me.. If people really saw the recovery forum as a threat, I think more people than just you would be upset about it, so you might be worrying about it more than necessary really..
And not every person can be admins that decide every thing here.....There are things on this site that each of us might want to tweak or change if we were the admin of the whole place; you can't please all of the people 100%, but this site is doing a very good job for what it was made for in my opinion...It is a net positive and a very good resource for people and emotional support, so even though you might be annoyed at a few tiny things like having a recovery forum, I hope you will still be able to enjoy this site and realize that the recovery forum isn't any thing to worry about at all..

Love and light..

 

[calendulo]

Lol yes welcome to the real world little thing and maybe I should call people who force people to continue living protorturers. Yes its personal right whether we choose to live or die. We dont need anyone else to tell us what to do or decide for us. If thats so hard for you to understand. I have bad news for you. Atheist exist. Nihilist exist. Hedonist exist. Anarchist exist. Also here's the shocker. People who doesnt share your belief or opinion exist too. So honestly we dont care about your opinion. You can shove it up your back side. Respect the right and choice of others like an actual functional adult. People dont need to fit in with your view. People dont need to agree with you either. You dont get to decide what is good for other people or what they should do or believe in. The world doesnt revolve around your belief.

i am agree almost whole post.
I am an atheist.
I am not a nihilist. Actually I do not know nobody like this.Even I have doubts about what really means.
I am an hedonist.
I am not Anarchist. From that kind I know a lot.

Also I have anothers doubts about another subjects, but I do not care about as well. No matters.

I am so sorry I am totally agree about open up a recovery or whatever subforum. Staff has take a very good decision, in my humble opinion.

The only fact is there is a subforum pro-choice. That is not going to change. Really sorry.

 

[Vegrau]

i am agree almost whole post.
I am an atheist.
I am not a nihilist. Actually I do not know nobody like this.Even I have doubts about what really means.
I am an hedonist.
I am not Anarchist. From that kind I know a lot.

Also I have anothers doubts about another subjects, but I do not care about as well. No matters.

I am so sorry I am totally agree about open up a recovery or whatever subforum. Staff has take a very good decision, in my humble opinion.

The only fact is there is a subforum pro-choice. That is not going to change. Really sorry.

Oh yes I wholeheartedly agree. Never said I wasnt. A recovery sub forum is a must. This is a pro choice forum after all. Not a prokiller or protorturer.

 

[calendulo]

Oh yes I wholeheartedly agree. Never said I wasnt. A recovery sub forum is a must. This is a pro choice forum after all. Not a prokiller or protorturer.

You're right. Actually, prokiller sounds disgusting. I understand your offense, really.
I will to search another word to tag that kind of characters.

 

[HGL91]

As long as it doesn't become another pro-life forum, I don't see what the big deal
is about this subtopic.

 

[Conflicted Cat]

Because this site is Pro-CHOICE, not Pro-Suicide. As long as we can still talk about the same stuff we've always been able to talk about without censorship, this is 100% fine by me.

 

[h0wd1rtygurlsST4Yc1n]

i think its a good idea. some days you feel a little better some days you feel a little worse. i think we all agree that if some one was terminally ill that they should be allowed to die with dignity instead of just suffer. i may die in 4-5 years i might not.(really if the next 30 are as bad as the last 30 i probably wont be able to deal) its a support forum. whether its supporting assistance, or lending an ear or giving some one resources for every possible option isn't a bad thing. a lot of people coming here won't seek help or don't know how. but the one thing we all have in common that we think our lives have gotten that bad that the only way out is to end it. more places should be open to all possibilitys. you just say the word suicide and they're ready to cart ya off. its happened to me before. and it was scary. and it didn't help. i just learned how to try and blend better. this is a good place with open minded people what ever choice you decide to make. its been nice reading other peoples posts and feeling like maybe im not that crazy.

 

[Bardia]

Is it fair to say the Recovery forum is also appropriate recovering from (in all that might mean) an attempt to CTB that went other than as planned?

 

[TAW122]

While I'm not a big fan of the recovery subforum, I do understand it as a necessary evil in order to keep it in line with the status quo and legality of the forums. In fact, I think it does make this place seem more pro-choice and less of a slant towards suicide. I know that pro-lifers and the people outside may still try to find ammunition and dirt to throw at us, but at least they will have less ammo and dirt than if we didn't have the recovery subforum. So in short, I think it is a good place to show the people who have made a recovery (or multiple recoveries) in their life and depending on how it's delivered, it could even be shown to show that the people who originally came here to die, eventually found solace in this small community and made a recovery thanks to the environment on this forum.

 

[MG_39]

First, I think the recovery sub is very good, and it makes me happy to see this.

"People who really want to kill themselves have wanted to for reasons that is beyond repair and in previous polls most people have had depression and/or been suicidal since early teen years some even since childhood so wanting to die doesn´t just go away we don´t "recover"."

Yes, but most people isn't ALL people. This site is available for everyone to find just by using Google. And a lot of suicides is a direct result of something bad that just happened in someones life. In that moment everything seems hopeless and dark thoughts lead that person to google "How to commit suicide"

Let my give you an hypothetical example. A teenager who never been depressed before becomes depressed after losing on parent in an accident or maybe a suicide. The months after this he/she fails at a lot of important tests in school (school is important for this kid) and their boyfriend/girlfriend ends their relationship in the same time. For an adult most people would see this as something temporary, but this teenager finds this site without a recovery forum (Where he/she could share this seemingly hopeless situation) and instead he/she finds instruction on how to ctb. In my opinion this would be very sad, don't you agree?

 

[jake3d]

Yes I agree on the recovery forum too. While I'm not out of the woods yet and my reason is physical pain, there seem to be some new developments that could potentially cure my condition, so I'm waiting around for a bit.

 

[WhyIsLife56]

The weird thing about the recovery sub is that at the end of the day death is waiting for us. For everyone regardless of whether you "recover(?)" or not.
It's an oxymoron for a suicide forum.
Whether you're pro choice or not, death will still be waiting for you. Lingering around you. Waiting for you until your last breath :)

 

[porfin1234]

I think it's good to have that option... and I look at this place as not just for those who are 100% bent in acting on suicide but perhaps suffer from having the thoughts without really wanting to act on them. Personally I've experienced having suicidal ideation without really wanting to die. It's nice to be able to talk to someone like that (altho situation I've put myself in I'm more serious about going through with it now)

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

It makes sense that if someone chooses to recover they won't lose their community here.

I find it helpful that it's a separate sub so that those who don't want to recover don't have to wade through posts that don't pertain to them, and those who don't want to cbt have some distance from posts that focus on it.

 

[Tempeste]

Bc this is about options. ALL options. You can sit in the station as long as you want. You can talk to other travelers. Something may cause you to feel is right to cancel your trip. The point is is all ok here , it's a non judgmental place to share and be heard even if it's just SI bc let's face it, it's not safe to talk about it outside the station.

 

[Fragile]

just like women's rights doesn't mean abortion like some conservative people think, pro choice doesn't necessarily mean suicide only.

people have the right to recover, they have the right to see this through if they decide to, let's stop shoving our own values upon other's people lives, doing so makes us no better than pro lifers, and for some of us they are the most annoying kind of people.

 

[S1mpleme]

Seriously why? The thing I really like about this forum is that it´s the ONLY forum I have encountered where it´s all about finding the right method to commit suicide it is the place people go when they are ready to leave this world it´s the last stop.

People who really want to kill themselves have wanted to for reasons that is beyond repair and in previous polls most people have had depression and/or been suicidal since early teen years some even since childhood so wanting to die doesn´t just go away we don´t "recover".

Also by creating a Recovery sub just gives ammunition to pro-lifers I mean all our arguments are pretty much invalid it makes suicide looks like it´s just a phase that a person needs to get over so they can "recover" if people want "recovery" then it wouldn´t be hard to find other places that would love to go pro-life on you like reddit etc. but this forum is the end of the road not just an angsty suicidal phase.

Is it just me who thinks this? I can´t be the only one I see every day people hating on all the pro-lifers like the ones trying to "save" other people from a suicide e.g. hanging, jumping, OD`s etc. by creating this new sub you literally give pro-lifers a reason to be the way they are since you admit that people can get better, if people "recover" I don´t think they were ever really suicidal in the first place because for the people in here including me who has been suicidal since early teen years it doesn´t go away. There are times when I get more actively suicidal and might have an "attempt" but otherwise I still think and fantasize about how to kill myself every hour of every day.

It's a little more complicated than a game with two teams in it - suicidal people and pro-lifers. Suicide is hard emotional action, I think to kill someone is easier than to kill yourself. Many people and everyone has unique feelings about the life. Someone wants to CTB, someone's not ready yet and of course sometimes your life changes cause maybe you found something important to you that would keep you in this world.

 

[WhyIsLife56]

It's a little more complicated than a game with two teams in it - suicidal people and pro-lifers. Suicide is hard emotional action, I think to kill someone is easier than to kill yourself. Many people and everyone has unique feelings about the life. Someone wants to CTB, someone's not ready yet and of course sometimes your life changes cause maybe you found something important to you that would keep you in this world.

Suicide can also be a logical decision. It can also be a logical thing to do if one knows the truth about life/reality