Why The Recovery Sub?

[TheGoodGuy]

Seriously why? The thing I really like about this forum is that it´s the ONLY forum I have encountered where it´s all about finding the right method to commit suicide it is the place people go when they are ready to leave this world it´s the last stop.

People who really want to kill themselves have wanted to for reasons that is beyond repair and in previous polls most people have had depression and/or been suicidal since early teen years some even since childhood so wanting to die doesn´t just go away we don´t "recover".

Also by creating a Recovery sub just gives ammunition to pro-lifers I mean all our arguments are pretty much invalid it makes suicide looks like it´s just a phase that a person needs to get over so they can "recover" if people want "recovery" then it wouldn´t be hard to find other places that would love to go pro-life on you like reddit etc. but this forum is the end of the road not just an angsty suicidal phase.

Is it just me who thinks this? I can´t be the only one I see every day people hating on all the pro-lifers like the ones trying to "save" other people from a suicide e.g. hanging, jumping, OD`s etc. by creating this new sub you literally give pro-lifers a reason to be the way they are since you admit that people can get better, if people "recover" I don´t think they were ever really suicidal in the first place because for the people in here including me who has been suicidal since early teen years it doesn´t go away. There are times when I get more actively suicidal and might have an "attempt" but otherwise I still think and fantasize about how to kill myself every hour of every day.

 

[M]

For many people, this place is the last stop, but for some, it isn't. I want this place to be somewhere where you can talk about suicide and methods, but at the same time give people that option to recover too. I'm not pro-life by any means, but like many people here, I believe we should give people the choice. We are a pro-choice forum after all. We already had a Recovery tag, so I don't think this is as big of a change as you think.

 

[Shamana]

Seriously why? The thing I really like about this forum is that it´s the ONLY forum I have encountered where it´s all about finding the right method to commit suicide it is the place people go when they are ready to leave this world it´s the last stop.

People who really want to kill themselves have wanted to for reasons that is beyond repair and in previous polls most people have had depression and/or been suicidal since early teen years some even since childhood so wanting to die doesn´t just go away we don´t "recover".

Also by creating a Recovery sub just gives ammunition to pro-lifers I mean all our arguments are pretty much invalid it makes suicide looks like it´s just a phase that a person needs to get over so they can "recover" if people want "recovery" then it wouldn´t be hard to find other places that would love to go pro-life on you like reddit etc. but this forum is the end of the road not just an angsty suicidal phase.

Is it just me who thinks this? I can´t be the only one I see every day people hating on all the pro-lifers like the ones trying to "save" other people from a suicide e.g. hanging, jumping, OD`s etc. by creating this new sub you literally give pro-lifers a reason to be the way they are since you admit that people can get better, if people "recover" I don´t think they were ever really suicidal in the first place because for the people in here including me who has been suicidal since early teen years it doesn´t go away. There are times when I get more actively suicidal and might have an "attempt" but otherwise I still think and fantasize about how to kill myself every hour of every day.

It's difficult to say how big a percentage are in a transient stage of being suicidal and how many are stuck in a chronic hopeless situation. I've chatted with a few who have given up on suicide for now and felt sucked in by the culture and atmosphere here. Perhaps you are right, but like I mentioned in the thread in the feedback forum fx are lot people in the US with treatment resistant depression are finding relief with ketamine infusions. Perhaps some US member here are not aware that and it might be worth giving a go before comitting suicide. I feel by having a recovery forum there is more balance. It's more pro-choice instead of being only about suicide.

 

[Letmego. Please]

We have had a few members, even recently who after a failed attempt felt better able to try to get help & recover, yet at the same time they feel the need to say goodbye almost as they no longer fit.

I an 48 & have suffered from lifelong depression, but along the way i have met many people who tried to kill themselves but found a new way of living, just cause you & me cannot doesn't mean anybody else can surely.

 

[Throwaway9787]

I think it reflects well on the forum since it is prochoice.

 

[RainAndSadness]

I'm also surprised about the sub-forum. Like, this is the only place in the internet maybe with some small exceptions where suicidal people can openly talk about their struggles. But there are plenty, maybe thousands or tens of thousands of chat, websites and forums all over the internet and even groups in real life where people with a direction in life can talk about their problems - and they will get the responses they need from these places. I really don't know if we should invite these people with that mindset into this forum. Like, we will eventually attract many more members with a pro-life philosophy with a sub-forum like this. I fear this is gonna backfire really badly.

 

[TheGoodGuy]

For many people, this place is the last stop, but for some, it isn't. I want this place to be somewhere where you can talk about suicide and methods, but at the same time give people that option to recover too. I'm not pro-life by any means, but like many people here, I believe we should give people the choice. We are a pro-choice forum after all. We already had a Recovery tag, so I don't think this is as big of a change as you think.

I think the word "recovery" for suicide is a joke it makes it sound like the pro-lifers are right, because in society´s eyes if they believe someone can recover then it makes perfect sense for them to stop a person from committing suicide. I believe if I see a person actively trying to kill themselves no one should intervene because it´s THEIR own CHOICE because they will NEVER get back to the happy mindset they were in before they becoming suicidal.

By saying people can recover it´s agreeing with pro-lifers that everyone should be stopped if they are about to kill themselves because it´s just a phase they are in and after they come down and after a lot of therapy they will eventually recover because they were just in a bad place in life and this I think is complete bullshit

 

[Throwaway9787]

I'm also surprised about the sub-forum. Like, this is the only place in the internet maybe with some small exceptions where suicidal people can openly talk about their struggles. But there are plenty, maybe thousands or tens of thousands of chat, groups, websites and forums all over the internet where people with a direction in life can talk about their problems - and they will get responses they need. I really don't know if we should invite the people with that mindset into this forum. Like, we will eventually attract many more members with a pro-life philosophy with a sub-forum like this. I can see how this will backfire.

I do honestly think a tor forum should be created.

 

[TheGoodGuy]

I'm also surprised about the sub-forum. Like, this is the only place in the internet maybe with some small exceptions where suicidal people can openly talk about their struggles. But there are plenty, maybe thousands or tens of thousands of chat, websites and forums all over the internet and even groups in real life where people with a direction in life can talk about their problems - and they will get the responses they need from these places. I really don't know if we should invite these people with that mindset into this forum. Like, we will eventually attract many more members with a pro-life philosophy with a sub-forum like this. I fear this is gonna backfire really badly.

Thank you that is my point there are infinite other forums where people are more than happy to go pro-life and help people "recover" but this one along with maybe another forum is the only ones where it can openly be discussed without people giving you the pro-life talk they always do.

 

[Shamana]

I think the word "recovery" for suicide is a joke it makes it sound like the pro-lifers are right, because in society´s eyes if they believe someone can recover then it makes perfect sense for them to stop a person from committing suicide. I believe if I see a person actively trying to kill themselves no one should intervene because it´s THEIR own CHOICE because they will NEVER get back to the happy mindset they were in before they becoming suicidal.

By saying people can recover it´s agreeing with pro-lifers that everyone should be stopped if they are about to kill themselves because it´s just a phase they are in and after they come down and after a lot of therapy they will eventually recover because they were just in a bad place in life and this I think is complete bullshit

There are people who can get better though. It's a fallacy to say that everyone can get better, but it's also a fallacy to say none or only a few can get better.

 

[M]

I'm also surprised about the sub-forum. Like, this is the only place in the internet maybe with some small exceptions where suicidal people can openly talk about their struggles. But there are plenty, maybe thousands or tens of thousands of chat, websites and forums all over the internet and even groups in real life where people with a direction in life can talk about their problems - and they will get the responses they need from these places. I really don't know if we should invite these people with that mindset into this forum. Like, we will eventually attract many more members with a pro-life philosophy with a sub-forum like this. I fear this is gonna backfire really badly.

It'll continue to be the same. Suicidal people will continue to openly talk about their struggles, but the recovery forum's purpose isn't for pro-lifers to register and for them to start proselytizing. People that register only to use the recovery forum will be denied most likely. Those that come here to proselytize will quickly be banned.

 

[Rukia]

Find it strange somebody survived on this forum for almost a year but dont wish to see recovery forum...

 

[TheGoodGuy]

I also know there is a prefix called recovery but it´s more subtle and not used that often and I always thought it was more about physical recovery after an attempt not changing your whole view on life and death.

But now every time I log into this forum I have to see this
Suicide Discussion
Recovery
Offtpoic
Feedback

To me it feels like such a joke an oxymoron to have "recovery" along side the suicide discussion it completely cancels out the meaning of why people want have to kill themselves, and I can´t do anything but repeat myself again by saying it feels like it´s a teen phase where you say "welcome to Sanctioned Suicide it´s the end of the road but if you change your mind here is our recovery" It seems like such a joke.

 

[Bagger]

Its pro CHOICE forum, not pro death. I will not post much in this new sub-forum, but I'm glad that there is such a place for people who needs it. Recovery is important part of many of our life stories. Not everybody come here for strictly suicide stuff. For me this forum was helpful in different way, i've get better thanks to it and some other helpful users.

 

[Shamana]

I also know there is a prefix called recovery but it´s more subtle and not used that often and I always thought it was more about physical recovery after an attempt not changing your whole view on life and death.

But now every time I log into this forum I have to see this
Suicide Discussion
Recovery
Offtpoic
Feedback

To me it feels like such a joke an oxymoron to have "recovery" along side the suicide discussion it completely cancels out the meaning of why people want have to kill themselves, and I can´t do anything but repeat myself again by saying it feels like it´s a teen phase where you say "welcome to Sanctioned Suicide it´s the end of the road but if you change your mind here is our recovery" It seems like such a joke.

You don't know though how many are caught are in a transient suicidal phase or how many are caught in a chronic situation.

 

[TheGoodGuy]

Find it strange somebody survived on this forum for almost a year but dont wish to see recovery forum...

Because as with many other members we struggle with courage to ctb and I CAN´T RECOVER !!!! I have physical problems the doctors can´t fix so I live a terrible existence so what good is a recovery forum for me!!?? I doubt it will heal my physically defect body.

 

[Shamana]

Because as with many other members we struggle with courage to ctb and I CAN´T RECOVER !!!! I have physical problems the doctors can´t fix so I live a terrible existence so what good is a recovery forum for me!!?? I doubt it will heal my physically defect body.

There is no one forcing you into the recovery forum pal

 

[Alchemist]

This is one of those cases of "damned if you do, damned if you don't".

 

[Rukia]

Because as with many other members we struggle with courage to ctb and I CAN´T RECOVER !!!! I have physical problems the doctors can´t fix so I live a terrible existence so what good is a recovery forum for me!!?? I doubt it will heal my physically defect body.

So sorry to hear that...but not everybody is in the same situation....

 

[riverstyx]

The important thing for me, is that you're still allowed to discuss methods, and suicide in general.

Censorship, and a heavy moderator hand, would be a problem, but a sub forum I'll probably not use at all, doesn't bother me.

 

[restingspot]

I also know there is a prefix called recovery but it´s more subtle and not used that often and I always thought it was more about physical recovery after an attempt not changing your whole view on life and death.

But now every time I log into this forum I have to see this
Suicide Discussion
Recovery
Offtpoic
Feedback

To me it feels like such a joke an oxymoron to have "recovery" along side the suicide discussion it completely cancels out the meaning of why people want have to kill themselves, and I can´t do anything but repeat myself again by saying it feels like it´s a teen phase where you say "welcome to Sanctioned Suicide it´s the end of the road but if you change your mind here is our recovery" It seems like such a joke.

You have to bear in mind the people who also post about going into psych wards to try again to get better as a last ditch effort, people wondering about therapy and want other members's feedback, people who are taking time off and want to address it (because I've seen a lot of users on here asking if XYZ is still here or did they ctb), or their life situation changes for the better. It doesn't really belong in Off Topic because that's for casual things like video games, music, or philosophical discussions. I think Recovery does belong and should stay here, and it's not really an oxymoron that it's on a suicide forum, and I for one think it's great that members are taking another swing to try and improve their situation. They most definitely belong here, as no two people are the same. For someone that wants to do ctb, there are others who will miss it and are waiting for the next schedule.

 

[LaBrava]

I may have a slender hope of recovery right now, so I'm glad this subforum is there if I want to use it.

 

[Tortured_empath]

My hope is not that the recovery board gets infiltrated with the conventional pro-lifers and their toxic positivity. I think the mods are still doing what they can to prevent such ridiculous ways of "just be positive" thinking, just like we prevent extreme "just kill yourself" suicide encouragement. In my view, it would be a place for us suicidally depressed to come and discuss ways of coping with our suffering, together; in a non-judgemental and sober way, which is what I think SS' biggest strength is. A lot of people are chronically depressed, hopeless and suicidal, yet we are still here.

This isn't meant to take away from or demean the open discussions about suicide and depression, I think those discussions are so deeply rooted in our community and members that it would be very difficult to replace them. I don't think the goal of a recovery forum would be to have us all walking around smiling and lauging in pure joy, the goal wouldn't be to make all of your problems disappear. It would give people some real, earnest, constructive tools and discussions about how to cope with a life of suffering; in a way that ignorant society is unable to - whether that be advice, philosophy, medication, drugs or something else. It would offer a place of solace for those who might not want to die, but who don't have the mentality to live either.

The focus of the forum would ultimately be: "Welcome to SS, a forum about mental illness. What you chose to do with your life is your own choice; here are your options."

 

[Menschenfeind]

It's like the forum games: nice to have, but nothing for my case. But if it's useful for others, there is no need to prohibit it.

If you really don't want to see the subforum, here's some custom css for you:

Spoiler: Code

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    display: none;
}

 

[calendulo]

Maybe I am not be totally clear what recovery means to me.
IMHO There are all kinds of characters in this forum. Dealers, junkies, sick persons, lonely persons too, chemistry amateurs, all about. We are all the kinds and all the places.

Guess I am a prolifer, because I am not a prokiller, and that will be same thing to all of us.
I am sure that everybody here will know what do their life do, but I am a human being and make me deeper sadly to read stuffs about dead people so young mixing two or three shitty antidepressants.

I just read someone says the forum is prochoice, Yes I am agree. Choice is a word that I know what it means.

I do prefer choice than recovery, besides recovery sounds like religious, well..... It knows the drugs and God are closer. Like Christ and the junkies.

 

[SinisterKid]

Makes perfect sense to me if this place is to truly been seen as pro choice. It needs to offer something other than suicide information on methods etc. After all is said and done, pro choice gives people just that, a choice. Today, I dont want to die, tomorrow, I might be the total opposite. I have tried in the past to use other forums, to try and help me in my struggles with mental ill health and disability, but I could not openly express myself like I can here. To now be offered something that just might help me with my daily struggles gives me the best of both worlds. I can still talk openly about my ideations, my depression and the finer points of some methods but also read something that could, just could offer me a little hope or optimism that tomorrow is worth waking up for. Surely that cannot be a bad thing?

 

[TheGoodGuy]

There is no one forcing you into the recovery forum pal

But I am forced to see it when I enter the site and with the suggested new posts of each sub forum so that is very annoying since as I already have said multiple times I think it´s an oxymoron that you people don´t want others to intervene with your suicide when it comes to that but you are also encouraging people saving people and I will explain again why

- Because in society´s eyes they must save everyone who is about to kill themselves e.g. jumping from a building, hanging, OD etc. because society feel that a suicidal person will get over it and in the future look back and be happy they didn´t do it. So you are encouraging pro-life actions by fueling the idea that people can recover from this "phase of suicide" and that is complete bullshit.

 

[jake3d]

But I am forced to see it when I enter the site

Someone just literally posted a snippet of code above that you can add to your browser to stop seeing it if that ticks you off. I think the staff of this forum is doing a very good job to keep away people who come here to proselytize.

 

[Vegrau]

This is pro choice forum and to keep its status as one we have to include that thread in. Or else people will have an excuse and call this forum bias. This is done to ensure the legality and the status quo. You wouldnt want this forum to disappear now do you? Sacrifice needs to be made.

 

[Shamana]

But I am forced to see it when I enter the site and with the suggested new posts of each sub forum so that is very annoying since as I already have said multiple times I think it´s an oxymoron that you people don´t want others to intervene with your suicide when it comes to that but you are also encouraging people saving people and I will explain again why

- Because in society´s eyes they must save everyone who is about to kill themselves e.g. jumping from a building, hanging, OD etc. because society feel that a suicidal person will get over it and in the future look back and be happy they didn´t do it. So you are encouraging pro-life actions by fueling the idea that people can recover from this "phase of suicide" and that is complete bullshit.

Its not complete bullshit pal. Everyone i know IRL who have attempted suicide survived but that is only limited to 3 people. But those 3 people are happy they survived. One of them includes my sister-in-law. You are painting a black and white picture of suicidal people here.