Why the inert gas method only scores a 7 for peacefulness?

[Couldydays]

The inert gas method only scores a 7 in peacefulness,but morphine and nembutal score 10.What's the difference?

 

[LaVieEnRose]

I don't know. It should be a 10 especially with Nembutal's foul taste. SN is likely overrated to some degree too.

 

[ThisIsLife]

The IG and N methods are the only ones that can achieve a solid 10/10 in peacefulness imo. N has only one downside, its taste, but it's easy to just pinch your nose and have a tic-tac.

SN is likely overrated to some degree too.

I don't think it's overrated; it has possible uncomfortable side effects in the first minutes yes, but once past that short time, it knocks out pretty quickly and is very effective. I believe the people who experience more discomfort (or even failure) don't follow the protocol, even if its not that hard to just fast and take antiemetics. Having benzos on top of that might give an upper-hand to those experiencing crippling anxiety though.

SN popularity is understandable because it was easier to source than a gun or opioids, and less stress inducing than hanging or jumping from a building for example. Even though it's not that easy to overcome SI and drink it, it still is a cheap alternative that many consider peaceful enough to CTB.

 

[voyager]

From what I recall they gave cyanide a 7 once upon a time too (or was it 5-6?). As effective as it may be, it's probably one of the worst ways to go imaginable.

We all have a slightly different painometer anyhow, so on a whole, one probably shouldn't place too much emphasis on these estimations, because it's something one can only truly tell when going through with it oneself. Comfort with the method might also be very relevant.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

I don't think it's overrated; it has possible uncomfortable side effects in the first minutes yes, but once past that short time, it knocks out pretty quickly and is very effective. I believe the people who experience more discomfort (or even failure) don't follow the protocol, even if its not that hard to just fast and take antiemetics. Having benzos on top of that might give an upper-hand to those experiencing crippling anxiety though.

SN popularity is understandable because it was easier to source than a gun or opioids, and less stress inducing than hanging or jumping from a building for example. Even though it's not that easy to overcome SI and drink it, it still is a cheap alternative that many consider peaceful enough to CTB.

I know; I intend to take it and as such I'm just saying in terms of the sole criterion of "peacefulness" I'm not sure it quite merits the well-known rating of 7, or 7.whatever, regarding which consistency is an important principle in my opinion. For the record, I would consider a tolerable experience to be lower than 7 in fact.

 

[UKscotty]

Be careful where you get these so called 'scores'. Some of those folks make a lot of money selling cheap stuff for high profit such as SN or nitrogen kits. Both if which are super cheap if you do research.

 

[Dying Knight]

The inert gas method only scores a 7 in peacefulness,but morphine and nembutal score 10.What's the difference?

I'd divide all CTB methods into 5 categories: very unpleasant, moderately unpleasant, neutral, moderately pleasant, and very pleasant. The recommended way of using inert gas belongs to the neutral category, while morphine and nembutal may belong to the very pleasant category. It's funny to see SN rated the same as inert gas. Poisoning with nitrite together with following the recommended regime seems to be moderately unpleasant in the best case or very unpleasant if you're unlucky with how your body accepts it.

 

[Thatdude]

I'd divide all CTB methods into 5 categories: very unpleasant, moderately unpleasant, neutral, moderately pleasant, and very pleasant. The recommended way of using inert gas belongs to the neutral category, while morphine and nembutal may belong to the very pleasant category. It's funny to see SN rated the same as inert gas. Poisoning with nitrite together with following the recommended regime seems to be moderately unpleasant in the best case or very unpleasant if you're unlucky with how your body accepts it.

This actually is a good metric. And what should be done is another saying how easy it is to get and setup in general.

Like my choice is gas due to it being painless, but the setup is a nightmare.
But the reason why it's my choice is you breath in and it knocks you out. Within a few minutes your gone.

 

[Old Friend]

I don't think anyone considering the SN method is expecting it to be "pleasant". Nausia, headaches and vomitting are well documented and most people would consider such things as unpleasant. What SN has going for it is that it brings unconciousness fairly quickly and brings about death fairly reliably. Most people who on here who confirm they've taken, or are preparing to imminently take, SN don't come back.

 

[Dying Knight]

Like my choice is gas due to it being painless, but the setup is a nightmare.

I'd use a complex setup only for something like N2​O or Xe at least - in order to achieve a moderately pleasant death. Dealing with gases like He or N2​ seems to have a little sense for me.

 

[AllCatsAreGrey]

The inert gas method only scores a 7 in peacefulness,but morphine and nembutal score 10.What's the difference?

I recall hearing the PPH authors saying that score had to do with some Exit members reporting they felt uncomfortable with the use of an exit bag. They also explained this as a part of the inspiration for the development of Sarco.

I don't think anyone considering the SN method is expecting it to be "pleasant". Nausia, headaches and vomitting are well documented and most people would consider such things as unpleasant. What SN has going for it is that it brings unconciousness fairly quickly and brings about death fairly reliably. Most people who on here who confirm they've taken, or are preparing to imminently take, SN don't come back.

Agreed. It seems the high peacefulness score with SN is due to the "happy hypoxia" when O2 intake is inhibited while CO2 is still able to be released, much like the exit bag.

 

[CuriosityAndCat]

I recall hearing the PPH authors saying that score had to do with some Exit members reporting they felt uncomfortable with the use of an exit bag. They also explained this as a part of the inspiration for the development of Sarco.

Agreed. It seems the high peacefulness score with SN is due to the "happy hypoxia" when O2 intake is inhibited while CO2 is still able to be released, much like the exit bag.

I was wondering why SN was so popular